Endorsements, if you want to call them that, before you, attest to that. Its not just organizations that are well known, like the African American naacp, and the African American i correct myself, naacp, and the African American chamber of commerce, but there are smaller organizations that have benefited by the use of this club and by the input of mr. Montoya and miss king. One last thing, my third point, also, i have submitted some recent reports. None of them are of any significance. I think it was they were missi missing two cases of missing cell phones, which was resolved. In fact, the Security Force at the club, if a woman were to leave a purse or pocketbook hanging on a chair, they will take the purse, put it behind the bar, and when the woman comes and asks for it, there it is. Theyve done their best to avoid those kinds of situations. Its a responsible Security Organization and theres a representative here who can speak to that if the commissioners want to hear. There is one issue that id like to defer to mr. Montoya. There was a violation, and i am less informed and less coerceant with the details with the violation. I think the actual violation was on the 24th, and the actually violation was issued on the 27th. I feel that i cant present an adequate detailed explanation of what happened there, but i would call on mr. Montoya to address the commission about that, please. If you guys have questions about that, i could address that. As far as Everything Else goes with the sound improvements that weve done, i can go into detail with that, as well. Weve seen a significant drop in the decembibel levels that weve done with our alley rolling doors, which are three doors. Weve also done a sound study, as well that weve got a lot of information of just on the broadway street that were at. Youre talking about Kevin Oconnors email . Im sorry. I didnt hear the question. Could you say it again . Im sorry. I said is the sound study the email from kevin connor . Is that the sound study . That is about the sound actual study that we have done. Where is that . It should have been provided in your document. When did you submit that . It was emailed today . Why is it getting emailed to us today . Why not, like, a few days ago so we can have a chance to in order to complete the study i mean, the person that did the study is here, if you have questions for him, as well. I have the report here, as well. I think can we see that report . Its more of a can i see that, too, because i dont know if i received that. Right after that. And i printed everything you sent. This is not the whole report, this is just the memorandum. Oh. This is from mr. Pauli. This is in the back. Youve got one. Kevin connors is just the timeline of what he has done and what has been recently done. Okay. So when im reading Kevin Oconnors on january 10th, he said he turns the music up as loud as he could, but doesnt say how high. How high is as high as he could . Its very vague. What is the internal decibel in order not to bleed out . Sorry about that. Inspector burke reporting. The internal sound limit is 98 decibel aweighted and 110 decibels c weighted, and thats designed to keep them in compliance with the citys code. In this particular case, i can test compliance in the alley using the citys code. Well, im just saying is the report, whatever the report should say is if you play it im talking about independent study now. If you play it at that level, what is the readings outside the alley or whatever the problems are happening . And i dont have anything. So maybe i can try to clarify what i what i read, what the external ambient level at broadway and roland is 80 decibels, so they were required to stay within 80 decibels crated along the alley. So in order to stay within that, they have a certain rating that they cannot go any higher than a certain level, correct . I asiphsigned them an inter level to help them prevent exceeding the ambient level outside. And what is that . The ambient level outside is 80. No, inside. 98 a and 110 c. What i read in the report from Kevin Oconnor is if he now turns their system up as loud as it will go, they are in compliance with the ambient 80 decibel. Correct. You concur . I have not been onsite since. Just, i ask inspector burke to hold off on giving them a new level at this time. Well, first of all, theyre saying their soundproofing is only 90 complete. We like to have it all completed and then rechecked just to have a if i could respond to the 90 . The only thing thats missing on the 10 on that is an actual sound sound sweep, an automatic sound sweep to one of the doors. Not even its not our external doors. Do you expect us to wait or just approve it without the door sweep . What happens if its not the door sweep . Well, theres a total of three doors. Two doors that are external to roland alley. The one thats missing is an internal door that goes to the second external door of roland avenue. All the external doors have been completed. Now the internal door that are missing that sweep, its a special order. It was a 48inch door. It had to be made, with that, its going to help with the decibels. So with what has been done already, 90 of it, it has already dropped the decibels reading from three to seven decibels. I would like to say this is just an added bonus that were doing to try to make it as soundproof as possible, what were thinking was recommended to us by sound consultants to or to where the leakage is. Right now, this is something that were doing to find the leakage. Before that, id like to note, though, that we have always been in compliance for ten years in the alleyway or in just compliance in general. This is just something that were doing to help improve our but you just got a ticket. Yeah, and we could address that, as well. I mean, theres a number of things that weve found that are inaccurate with that ticket. Okay. You want to tell us . From paperwork numerous paperwork from the report to the name on the ticket to the case study to where we have found that the to where the level was actually taken, and to where the case study is showing that in the alley with is actually the sound waves are getting increased. I did not speak to more in detail about it, but the person that did do the case study for us is here, if you would like to ask him questions about that. Okay. Hello. Commission. My name is jordan pauli. You guys know me well. Im a regulatory consultant. Its getting a little crazy right now, but i wanted to get it to a point where you guys could really understand it in a very simple way. So if you have any questions, specific questions, ill answer them, but we can talk specifically about sound in the alley and some of the issues that i found. I have data, but i just takes time to turnaround a report. We just finished last week. Okay. Obviously, you see when rdrs come in here and theyre sound no. Im not even i get that i mean if you guys are not ready and prepared, why dont you continue instead of everybody coming here, and we have to listen to this again, but im just saying. Im open to give you back whatever. Its all like the datas very loose. Sure. Youre telling me im not telling you what you should do. Im trying to help the commission understand the issue the best that i can as help. I think at this point, i think the Commission Wants data. Sure, sure. In writing. If you put your name to it, lets have the data, thats all. We hear a lot, and weve no, of course. And of course, of course. Its a matter of trust issue, and instead of like he said, she said, whatever, lets put it in writing. Of course. Lets have the data so we c can analysize it. If we could Work Together outside of the hearing so we can set parameters. The point of what im trying to do is make sure the questions that i discovered at my work deal with this issue. Thats fine. Let me finish. Let me finish. The parameters are set in a way that brings accuracy to the report. I love the commission. Im not here to make anyone look bad or nothing like that. Well, i want to let me finish. I think maggie does fine work, and sean does fine work. I think when sean comes out, well bring clarity to the sound issue. One of the issues is theres a standing wave issue. And basically what happens is at a certain level the study is not they were closed one weekend, and we came out and we did some sound tests, and we found there were sound waves, and the sound distortion in the alley is the easiest way to think about it. Now, at the same time i thought it was going to take time to compile a report, something that you can get behind or let me ask you a question. Sure. So if youre saying the standing wave is causing the influx of level to go up, so what happens if we wait for that standing wave, and we set the level when that standing kw wave hits. Im just saying, that could lower your internal decibel if youre going by the standing wave. Thats something i need to write a report about, because trying to explain it off the cuff, theres no way where im going to be able to explain it in an intelligible level, especially under these circumstances. What probably needs to happen, and its up to you and its up to staff, we need to sit down and go over some of these things and go out and do a follow ups set of tests. But given the tests that were done about mr. Oconnor last week, theyre going to be fine. We brought the sound level to maybe 76 at the peaks. It was 74, 75, 76 at the peaks. What was playing on the inside. Various, like, a play list from spotify. No, whats the decibel . In the main room, its anywhere from 100 to 107. When kevin was in the back, you were playing it at 107. What do you mean, in the back. Well in the alley, where not the noise was leaking. Yes, in the main room, the interior. So you were playing it at 107. Anywhere from 100 to 107. In the front room, were looking at 95, anywhere from 90 to 95. Okay. So in a report, especially if kevins going to do an email, it would be nice if he tells us what decibel hes playing it at so we can because he doesnt say. He just said he can turn it up as loud as he wants. Well, i think in the report he said he can turn it up as loud as it can go to where it doesnt peak over the ambient that was given to us. I have some questions here, and theyre actually more for the director and inspector burke. So it seems like the sound is causing serious issues for the neighbors named the diamonds. Are they when the initial readings were taken, were they was their house part of the equation or their front stoop when the initial limits were set . Inspector burke here . I have been inside the residence. Sound levels inside their residence did not factor into the establishment ambient level, nor the setting of the internal limit. Yeah. I have ive experienced what what it sounds like, what it feels like in their unit, but i stick very closely to the code and the instrument in my method alleology. But they were playing their internal music at the legal limit that you set when you took the reading in the apartment . I didnt take a reading in the apartment. I entered the apartment to get Gain Knowledge about their experience and have a discussion with them about their experience with the with the sound coming from hue. I wanted to gauge have we done an actual reading in their apartment . We have not. Thats not required by code . So in this case, the the code only speaks to at the property playing of establishment. Weve gone into neighbors having these issues. We have, and i think that in the past, when we the code does not speak going into residences and doing readings. You know, it really speaks to at the property plane, and so its a little tricky because when we do go into neighbors residences and take a reading, what part of the code does that speak to, how can we regulate that . We cant. We would have to justify that with a change in code, honestly, so yeah. And then, when you say the soundproofings 90 done, when the soundproofings finished, were going to go in and set new limits. We can go in any time and test. Its all science. The idea would be wait until theyre finished my idea was to hold off because this was last tuesday i believe when i spoke to mr. Bloom, and he said they were going to be having this hearing on wednesday. Sean could come out after that time and have another meeting with the sound engineer. Based on what the commission said, i thought it was best they use their independent contractor and that we would wait. I could take my guidance from you guys this evening to have sean set a new limit or we could do that independently its based on science, so if theyve made any improvements, it will likely reflect in a higher reading, but i i basically just wanted to bring this before your guyss attention before i made any move. Can i add something about 90 . The internal soundproofing is 100 done. I understand, yeah. Im just thinking for your own sake. Gotcha. If youre going to get another reading, you probably want to make sure thats 100 done, not 90 done, but i understand what youre saying, that it could lead to a higher rating, which probably could create its own set of circumstances that would then have to be mitigated. Can i add one thing, too . We have no intention of trying to raise our sound level in our venue. We have no intention of that. I dont think anybody has an intention. Somebody the d. J. s get deaf. Its not possible for our rating for the d. J. To turn it up with our compressor and our limiter. If the d. J. Cranks it up as allowed as he wants on the mixer, it is not possible for the d. J. To make it go over the levels that we have set. Can i ask another question through the director . Lets say the soundproofings finished, and we set a time to have a new sound test done and perhaps a new limit set. Outside of the science, which is the code, what other what other options do we have as a commission . What kind of conditions, etcetera, do we have . Trying to help the situation . Just to kind of clarify, i think as a commission, you would have to take action to lift the board of appeals condition which set them at, you know, ambient at the property plan, which is not what our code says. Our code says they can be eight above ambient at the property plan, so if we went out and did a test, i would want your guidance on whether or not were having sean, you know, keep it at ambient at the property plane, and based on, you know, whatever work they did inside, their reading could go up. It could go up significantly though, if you were to condition it back to code at eight above ambient at the property plan, so thats why i would really want your guidance. Am i answering your question . Thats good. It seems like the sound issues to me, it seems like they may be within code, but its still causing serious, serious issues for certain neighbors of yours. That seems to be unarguable. Which weve seen in other places, though, as well. Yeah, and it may be that it would be worth a change to the code, but thats not our purview. Well, we are this is a totally separate topic, but we have been working with dph on making improvements to the code in regard to how the sound. If we were to grant them the ability to operate, if we were later back to the original hours, its kind of a nightmare snow area that they could turn their music up, which people would find probably people would find probably for other reasons for you to be here, and it would never end. Im thinking what options do we have to make sure that doesnt happen. I just want to make one clarifying point. Inspector burke. So if they dont have an intention if they dont have a need to become louder inside the venue, if theyre happy with their current level inside, and theyre doing improvements to outside, theres no reason for an additional sound test. The ambient stays the same, their limit stays the same. The sound abatement improves. But its still getting we still got a ticket, you know what i mean . I mean, it would be nice just to have heres the data, theyre in code. We took it at these levels, regardless of the standing wave. Theyre in compliance to the plane, and were done. And this ticket was issued before this work was completed. Huh . Just for timeline sake yeah, so now that its almost done, make sure that youre finished, and lets take that final reading and get that data. I think theres something that internally by itself and our sound engineering should be working with sean and maggie and the director because of our studies that we have found, and i mean, i dont think this is the time and place to go into the details about this, but i think we should be working about this violation as well. Heres what i think. I dont think were in a position at this point and correct me if i am wrong to rule on the hour restrictions, or the conditions that were put on there. I dont. I think i think youve done a lot of the work. I think youre close. I think theres some sound reports that havent had a chance to be compiled yet. You still have a few things to add onto the end. It seems like you have done a significant amount of work, and i commend you for that. Its not easy. I would not feel comfortable personally yet ruling or making a ruling when theyre close. To me, it would be very helpful if you know, if we were to delay this or put it off, and the next time, if there was a more coherent presentation or method of where were at based on data, which we need as far as the data goes, what exactly are you guys wanting the actual interval data of the time samples. Thats something you can work out with director weiland. So just to clarify, this is something that is usually done by a third party contractor, but you know, we we can look at the sample and see what we get. I can share with you some versions of that that we receive on our end, and im happy to offer inspector burke to go out. We actually included in our legislation sound requirement c. Its almost better i think to have an outside party for this. So let me make a suggestion. Like the last, the previous applicant, with the grubstake, their sound was checked. I guess they have a meter just sat there, and it recorded from 6 00 a. M. , all the way for 24 hours, and they gave us the data. But the neighbors, they see that youre in compliance, youve got that data. How can the neighbors kind of like fight the actual data . Now, the data shows that youre not in compliance, then, we have to find out where that leak is coming from so then that data is taken care of. So this is for both parties for yourself. You wont have to take these calls from the neighbors if youre in compliance, and we dont have to continue to if im not mistaken, was this not done before with my Entertainment Permit before . No, not not in this detail. Usually, the inspector goes out, and now which hes doing, and then but theres still a leak. With when we first got our Entertainment Permit, there was Intense Research with sampling done. We have not had a violation since that date. But you have done some remodel