27th. We measured saturday night. Just after 10 00 p. M. And just after 11 00 p. M. The bar was the only place of entertainment i noticed was generating noise. Commissioner lee that block theres not a lot the clubs are further down, like infusion is a couple blocks down and ruby sky theres not a lot. But normally we like to see something around 2 00 when people get out. Yeah. Commissioner lee not just the bar lets out, bars do let out a lot more people in this town, 11 00, a lot of people start going out and start lining up. Usually the guest list is over at 11 00. So theyre either there at 10 00 and then another wave at 11 30 and all leave around 1 30. Theres some food places around your area that a lot of people will drive to and park and make noise. So, you know, thats kind of important. Its not just the music itself. We get a lot of tension from apartments and things near venues that have a lot of people letting out. We understand. I determined this bar was along a stretch of mason where a lot of foot traffic was generating noise not related to the bar, so its hard to determine what is its hard to figure out where it comes from. Vice president thomas it often gets attributed to a place of entertainment. Its useful to have a measure throughout the evening, even if it doesnt seem directly commissioner lee usually the place of entertainment will draw people. So even the building might be air tight, its the people waiting in lines, outside, things that can be irritating. We like to see if there are extra Window Treatments to prevent disturbing the neighbors that night at 2 00. Thats kind of what the analysis is based off the ambient anyway. We measured along ellis and determined that to be the primary ambient situation that we make our calculations off of. The analysis is the ambient plus, and then we calculate what the place of entertainment could make if it would exceed that level and then we recommend the ratings based off that. Commissioner lee i think in the past weve had people go back and take the measurements at 2 00. We can go back and take measurements if you want. Commissioner lee i dont know in this case. I mean in the future who knows. Entertainment could be more coming in at that time but right now theres not a lot over there. I dont know. We have gone back and made measurements to other places. Commissioner lee at least at 1 30 you should have a set of measurements i would think. Okay. I have a question for inspector burke actually. Of the five Entertainment Permits within 300 feet, are any on your radar for complaints . No commissioner. Vice president thomas and theres a proposal for a bar in the building . Or did i miss hear that . No. Vice president thomas okay. Other questions . Comments . Commissioner lee not on sound. Vice president thomas would you like to talk about lighting commissioner lee . Commissioner lee can you tell me about your Exterior Lighting . Vice president thomas theres a lot of lighting from the hilton. Commissioner lee on your side of the street. Whats your lighting . Were currently designing external lighting. We have done this at a few other projects. We think its important in the evening especially when residents are coming home to have a clear path of entree and lighting to prevent loitering from happening on the street. Were extremely cognizant about that. And there will be on site staff at this project. Someone that is on site 24hours of the day. So we presumably i believe in the budget have Security Staffing for the evenings. So were extremely conscious. Commissioner lee since its a historic building, are you accenting the building at all, lighting up the building or just the front lobby area, sidewalk yeah, weve been going back and forth with Historic Preservation to figure out how to preserve the facade special bring it back to life. They have yet to provide with guidance on what were allowed to do in terms of lighting. At this stage were only focused on the entree ways but we would love to light up the building and showcase the historic nature. Commissioner lee usually thats what were looking for, is safety not just for the patrons walking by but also residents. Commissioner perez what would be your plan to inform potential residents that theyll live in an entertainment neighborhood. Absolutely. So, you know, to date in our projects, the demographic of residents that we attracted are people who are in their late 20s, early 30s and they know theyre moving into the heart of the city. Our projects are bart accessible, Public Transit oriented. We have a strong focus on encouraging bicycle usage and so, our residents are well aware when they move into the style of housing that is focused on community living, theyre going to not only be interacting with the Community Around them and the streets around them, and the places of business around them and within the buildings interacting with a lot of folks that they live with. And so, we take, you know, sound seriously, we at our current projects to date have provided additional insulation within rooms using everything from additional sound rock and insulation to acoustical ceiling tile and sound proof windows to the extent we can. Theres definitely an education process we do commissioner perez would that be listed specifically, the notice into the rental or when they buy yes. Basically yes, the renting were a little different than the traditional rental, we have on site staff that facilitates community interaction, organizes events and so we have much better report with our residents and we seek feedback from them on a daily basis and so, theres a lot of education that happens about the style of living thats just necessary because people are in such closed quarters and to date we have been on top of it. Thats something we present to them upon moving in written and digital formats. Commissioner perez thank you. Vice president thomas i think this is great that youre coming into the neighborhood. I worked in the neighborhood for the past 12 years and i hope that, you know, with the support team that will be on site for your residents that you encourage the residents to engage with the community. Absolutely. Thank you. We have been in touch with organizations such as the Tenderloin Community benefit district and other nonprofits in the neighborhood and working to solidify the partnerships now. And they have a good happy hour at new delhi. Any other comments . Recommendations . Motion . Commissioner lee i motion to approve the application as long as they can go out and be consistent and have a measurement around 1 302 30 to see the decibel level at the time and a lighting plan for safety, Public Safety and for the neighbors and residents. And i would recommend approval. Commissioner lee ill second. taking vote it passes, congratulations. Item number eight, review and possible action to change the conditions on the place of Entertainment Permit for hue located at 447 broadway. Hi everyone. So hue is back this evening and they have provided you with several documents per your request for more data around sound testing. So inspector burke can also help speak to this because i had him review all the documents. So yeah, well let hue take it away. Vice president thomas welcome back. Hello again. Hello commissioners. I hope with the documents that we have presented and work thats been done, i hope that your questions have been resolved. And i think ill just leave it for you guys to ask questions if there are gaps in what we have provided. Please let us know. There are people here i think who can answer your questions. Just i guess to help you guys go through all that paperwork. There is a little outline that goes over sound proof done before hue, i know there was i guess some questions about no sound proofing being done in my venue, theres outlines of on the years it happened before it was hue and the sound proofing that happened when it was hue. And there is an outline showing when the relations Management Department was created august of 2016. Yes, sorry. That was basically just to help assist management and security and really focus in on intoxication and overserving. And then just in there as well, i know there were questions about reach out to the neighbors with hues management. Theres emails outlining hues management correspondence with neighbors. This past weekend, myself and ben, one of our managers met with the diamonds and did some readings as far as before the nightclub, before we were open and we listened to some concerns that andrew diamond, mr. Diamond pointed out as far as hvac vent in the alley. I followed up with the Property Management company because we dont have hvac going out there. I assume its coming from the garage below us. Besides that, we have both sound consultants here as well if you guys have questions for that as well. Thank you. Commissioners . Commissioner lee lets go with the data and i guess jordan, you did the sound can you explain how you did your study, you know, kind of let the public know what you did on this report . Which by the way is what i have been looking for for a while. Sure, sure. So basically what we wanted to do was get an idea about different levels, ambient levels around hue with different scenarios. The scenarios we were able to capture, you set project parameters and sometimes environment doesnt allow you to do what you initially set out to do, the things we were able to do were good in this case. The first night we took tests, there were two venues over and it was not a busy night. It was a good showing. We developed data on that night. I came back another night by myself without the club around, where there was no activity at all. Commissioner lee what night . This was january let me check my calendar. It was the week after it was the sunday monday. The first night was friday night and saturday night and then i came back again on sunday i was gone saturday night. It was friday night, saturday morning, sunday morning and monday morning, no entertainment. Tombing a Vice President thomas are you referring to table one and two . I am giving a rough outline, im not talking about the report necessarily. Basically i set the parameters to get some good data, i sourced the meter from a Third Party Company that rents out meters, they have them calibrated and i sent documentation. I have more if the Commission Wants to see it at some point. And in my testing i made sure i observed the code. You want to be four and a half feet above the ground with the meter four feet from wall. One of the good things to do when youre taking an ambient is be at a location that is direct line of sight to all the Noise Sources in the neighborhood and so, i took testing from two locations, one was on broadway, the other was as the code mandates that you take it from the location of complaints. So we wanted to take one in the alley as well. All the testing was structured around the code and the issue that were dealing with. And i tried to get it in locations similar to where sean took his readings so we could have objectivity in all the readings and see where we stand. Commissioner lee okay. And tell me how you came up with the readings. So basically, the meter any high level sound meter that we use commissioner lee i mean you set the music obviously, you did a scenario test. Sure, the sound engineer came in commissioner lee basically whatever the level the commission sets, you sit the level at . Sure. Commissioner lee and then you did your test outside. We just started anywhere. You dont know necessarily ahead of time when the system is playing, what affect its going to necessarily have on the outside. We did that with the levels that sean came up with. And then after that, we took the test in the readings were the readings. Commissioner lee so those readings are in the book . Absolutely. I have the documentation if you want it after the hearing or at some point i can send it all to you. Commissioner lee okay. Is there any way that that level on the inside can be raised by a deejay or lockdown in a room where you cant raise it . Its in a room where it can be raised but the deejay would not necessarily know where the room is or have access to it. Management has access and the only ones i have seen adjusting it. Commissioner lee and its a limiter, correct . Absolutely. Commissioner lee i want to talk to the sound guy. He should. So the room, the limiter is in the room . Absolutely. Commissioner lee away from the deejay booth. Absolutely. The first thing we did was turn all the filters up to get maximum everything, maximum everything and we did the test that way. And yeah, so it was pretty much the maximum level you could have it at and then the settings on the limiter and the amplifier were set accordingly and we kept moving that around until we arrived at a consensus and thats the data in the report. Commissioner lee that inside level is the same inside level as whats set by the inspector . So, yes, the peek level that sean set was 110 and so in popular music, especially hip hop, you have sound levels different between songs. So, you know theres a variation between sound levels in songs. In the test on the last page, table two, the maximum level lc, and on that particular night the average sound level was 103, it would go up to 103 and for whatever reason it hit 108. 8. Were still below the level that sean set but in maximum peek. The actual level was lower than what sean set. And we rolled the base off all together, its a very flat sound. If you walk in there, you hear some base but its not booming, its not deep blowing and thats how we got around some of the issues. Commissioner lee thats what was youre going to tell them to leave it at and not get complaints . Are they going to live with that . In theory they could have it higher but it doesnt require that as far as their operation and theres other stuff they can do that i didnt recommend in the report because that wasnt the scope of the report, but there are other things they can do, along the door in the front room to bring down transmission of base to the outside. Commissioner lee see, sometimes when these things are done and discovered, what has to be corrected, like sound proofing. Lets say they cant operate with flat base and they want to operate with the base going and everything, if they want to operate that way, they sound proof it so it doesnt affect the people on the outside. If youre recommending they dont disturb the neighbor on the flat base, can they live with that opening their club . So to answer that question, we did a test with the cabinet on, the problem we were running into on the outside, they were hitting a level of 78 but sometimes cars might pass by or people and then the peeks might go to 82 or 83. While personally i dont believe it was the sound that was causing that, thats a fine line to walk in this particular case. So they can live with it on, but given the circumstances of this case, it wasnt something i wanted to do. So i recommended that we did our test with the cabinet off and they operate with it off. They dont use the front room necessarily for a lot of activity. Commissioner lee thats okay. My question is please excuse the interruption commissioner. Inspector burke, i believe these are questions you may want to address to the operator it sounds like youre asking if the operator is okay with the limits that the Entertainment Commission has set forth and maybe commissioner lee thats not what im saying. Thats not what im asking. What im asking is, in a normal situation, okay 0, the only way they would not violate the set level is they would have to roll off their base and run it flat. The only way they can guarantee enough distance between the level set and reasonable level is by rolling the base off. Then theres no question, you can always come out, no matter what the environment is and test and see their effect on the outside level is compliant. Thats the point. Even though with the base cabinet on at the lower setting, its compliant. But you dont know. There might be a song with extra deep low base because they mixed it that way. You dont know. I wanted to make sure and were aware, we consulted on it together and made sure it was at a level commissioner lee now that you took the readings, did you find recommendations to sound proofing you made to bennett to make a fool proof way to not disturb the neighbors . The approach i took in this case was to bring the levels down, so there would be no question. However, the main thing that i told me and bennett talked about was the door in the alley or front door in the alley. Bennett had a whole thing they did for that. They put weather stripping around the door. Of course theres more stuff they can do, but not to litigate or anything, theres stuff that the building on the other side could do, so you know, its a mixed bag. So what i wanted to do was provide an analysis for bennett that got him back to where he needs to be and from there, he could work with the neighbors because its gray area when you Start Talking about that type of stuff. Nevertheless, we talked about stuff he could do and hes done some of it. Absent of buying a new door and these types of things, its pretty much easier to go about it this way and more reasonable. Commissioner lee so what youre saying, you have to roll off the base or lower the volume in order to comply . He didnt have to roll off the base in order to comply. We rolled off the base so there wasnt a question about complying. He he could operate it with it on, but were talking about being a Good Neighbor and operate without the headaches and have a situation parameter set easy for sean to show up and make a quick determination, theres no gray area, everything is good. Commissioner lee thank you. Can i ask a question of inspector burke. The sound test you have done there, seeing whether or not theyre out of compliance or not, how many of the infractions have they had for being over the outdoor level . One. When was that . Like ball park not the most recent yes, the most recent one. I thought that was on the dance floor though. No, that was outside. Got it. Okay. Other questions commissioners . Vice president thomas thank you for the information its helpful to have the timeline and information here. I think its part of what we have been asking for and its really helpful. Commissioner perez i want to add one thing. I know commissioner lee one of the things that i think was on your mind in the last meeting was has everything been done that can be done. And the answer is yes. It has all been completed, 100 of it. I noticed that you commissioner lee no, my thing is always once sound proofing is established and done and verified, theres no way that any