Is not what i am picking up here. I expected actually to hear quite a bit more aggressive talk in opposition. Instead what i heard was a lot of willing to work with each other, trying to get to that spot. I would just caution you from going too far down that aggressive, sort of us versus them. It doesnt actually look to me like us versus them. We should probably try to foster more of that working together to make this as effective as possible. With all due respect, you should see my email inbox right now which is a lot of response. I think people want to ease into this. That is what im hearing from the other side. I agree with commissioner laguana. I did not hear the negativity. It is just the easing into it. Commissioner zouzounis, you know, said of the best and we have seen this with other legislation. That is the fema fee mitigation. I think if you ease into something, you know, let them get rid of whatever they have on hand. Also, with the composting. We all had to go into the compost stuff. If this stuff is going to a field, then shame on ecology for letting it go to a fail. I know in my neighborhood, everybody has their red, theyre green, their blue, and black benz. I dont even take out my black man and, except once every two months. I think everybody is on board with that. If that stuff is going to fill, something aint going right on the composting either. That is something we might want to check into. Not much is going into landfills. I think you need to figure out a way to ease into this, thats all. 1020 thank you. Do we have any action today thank you. To we have any action today . If i can. Yes, commissioner zouzounis . I think we, as a commission, or heading in the right direction making sure we set a precedent of mitigation at the same time as legislation. I am in line with our body, i think that we should keep that as our position and in regard to this piece of legislation, and, wait to see some concrete fees that are related to litter and reuse named in this ordinance. At least that is one amendment i think we can propose. I do think that a pilot is a good idea. I know there is a report, several reports, that are mentioned that the Comptrollers Office is going to look into industry impact. All of that should come prior. If we could, uh, if we could see some of the stuff from the controllers report prior to making a decision on that, would you be willing to come back and talk to us about that . I can certainly ask about it. Out of respect to this body, i would strongly recommend it to my boss. We introduced this months ago, and this is a Progress Point for us. I dont think we view this as an endpoint with the Small Business commission. This is transparency, oversight and accountability for us. Doing our jobs to make sure we continue our outreach efforts. Making it easier for compliance. Whether that necessitates coming back to this body. That is up to you all. I do appreciate you coming and working and everything. You know, i really do appreciate that. I just want to let you know. I read supervisor peskins memo here. Are you going to incorporate those recommendations . What specific recommendation was that . He has three of them, four. The letter from supervisor peskin to this body. Yes, all of those are going to be implement it. Those are committed to paper, and are all designed to try to soften this and make it easier to comply with. I dont know if it necessitates, but if he wants to Say Something about compostables going to landfill. I do think ecology is a leader in waste management. I just want to put that on record. I think it follows a lot to the regulated body, to know, you know, including individuals at home who may not actually be composting, its a little more complicated. A thing youre doing a great job. Thank you. What is the supervisors timeline putting this devote . It depends on our ability to work with the City Attorneys Office to get those amendments committed to language. The idea was to bring this to committee when that is ready. It really does also depend on our conversations with outside stakeholders. Obviously conversations are ongoing with individual restaurants, certainly with some of the representative organizations. They were here today and continuing to meet with, including this week. With that said, it does seem like you are on a path. You are converging very quickly on putting this to a vote. What is the plan in your office . Commissioner, i do not have a date for bringing this to committee right now. I am happy to convey that to this body when we can have a better sense of when that would be. I honestly dont know. It has a lot of variables going into that conversation. Before you go. Had and will have to sit down to get up again. I mentioned, you know, shutins. You know, folks that dont necessarily qualify with strictly, i saw you taking notes. In case you missed that, the disabled, those are often the folks that do not have a voice in these kinds of settings. I hope that we can find some way to address that within the context of the legislation. Attorney absolutely. It is very high on our list. Several have chimed in about the equity and disability concerns, low Income Community concerns. It is why we are reaching out to coalition on homelessness and for their feedback. We certainly saw the mistake that was made with a straws, where those considerations were not taken into account upfront and created a lot of, you know, correction to the ordinance. Great. You have heard a lot of the speakers and feedback today and also you mentioned that you are going to incorporate supervisor peskins recommendations. I suggest, may be, you can go back and get that all done and come back. If you would do that we would appreciate that. Okay. Thank you. Commissioner ortizcartagena . Are we going to move on something. I would recommend, this is the time to draw the line in the sand. We always do this, come back, sometimes they dont come back, they voted through, you know . I would say no, to send a clear message. And then come back and we will vote yes on the amended. If you want to do that, that is your right. Is that your motion . I dont know. Im asking. We didnt say yes, we did not say no. We can make a motion to postpone our recommendations based on what they heard today in the Public Comment from the commissioners and the four items that supervisor peskin says he would like to implement on top of this and to come back to us with a report before he goes to vote. This happens a lot of times, if theyre going to go to vote and they say the Small Business said no, its different than just recommendations magically disappearing. Now foz has more of an impact. Im just saying. Anybody can make a motion, yes or no. I think a flat no i dont know that is a respectful thing to do. I think us issuing being sure that we formally notify the supervisor that we strongly urge him to consider the impacts on Small Business. To consider the radical change in behavior that we are looking to implement, and that this is something that needs to be tested before it is fully implemented in law. Laws are hard to undo. We should be strongly recommending a pilot. Before this goes into law. Commissioner. For . Commissioner laguana . If im asked to vote yay or nay on legislation, im going to decline to vote no. I should not be interpreted as a yes. Simply because the legislation is still in movement. There is still amendments being considered. I do not want to shut the door. I hear what you are saying, and i respect that. I think whatever power this body has, with advice and good guidance. We should probably focus on, my opinion, i personally, just speaking for myself i need to learn more about what is being proposed and what the impacts are. Im not at the point yet where i feel like i have an understanding that this is being handled, in the best way. I am just being straight with you about where i am at. Commissioner dwight . I would like to see a more engineered approach, adjust, repeat. Until you figure out how it really works. I think that would be the leadership position that the city could take. We tested. We adjusted. We tested. We ultimately came to a model that we replicated in any city. Not lay ourselves down on the Railroad Tracks and potentially selfdestruct. That is not going to be a good lesson for anybody. It would be a good lesson for everybody that they should not do what we did. If we can be a little more scientific about it, and go at it as an engineering approach, as most of our Technology Businesses do around here. Not do this this in kneejerk, lets just throw it down there and see what happens. I know exactly some of the Collateral Damage what is going happen. People are going to go out of the business. Theres no question about it. Others may prosper. Lets find out where that Tipping Point is, and where the pain points are so that and you know, its not just the restaurant industry. It is the supply chain that has to be adjusted. There are suppliers that are going to have to come up with innovations based on what we find out works and doesnt work. They might be minor innovations, they may be major innovations. I would just like to see a truer leadership position is to go out and send a more scientific way. I support the spirit of your suggestion that we do not support moving forward with this as it is currently proposed which is writing a law and thinking everything is going to work out just fine. Commissioners, it seems there is a high desire for this to come back. You can also add a condition that if you are not given the privilege of being able to weigh in on the amended legislation, and hear that, then the default recommendation is. So it sends a strong message to ensure that legislation comes back before the commission, before it moves on to committee. We can make the motion that this ordinance be brought back to us before it goes to committee . If it doesnt come back to us before committee. Dot this commission would not be supporting this ordinance. That recommendation there is we do not support it as presented today. Right. It is not that we dont support the concept. Its not that we dont support the spirit. We do not support the legislation as it is currently presented. I would second that. I didnt officially make that motion. Who is officially making this motion . The motion would be we do not support the legislation, as it is currently proposed. We insist that it be re presented here with modifications, and we will then decide whether we support it or not. Commissioners, can i just clarify with modifications, including the ones that supervisor peskin presented in the memo, but also with the recommendations, the suggestions that the commission has made in terms to phase in a test out those recommendations you have made. And clarifications on all items that are considered packaged. There is no convenient store, or Corner Grocery stores on here, and there is tons of packaged bulk items that we have not considered at all. Who is officially making it . I will make it. I will second. Motion by commissioner trent 26 the full legislation be presented a second time to the small. The supervisors amendments made , and the Small BusinessCommission Discussion her today is considered in addition to those commitments seconded by commissioner zouzounis. [roll call] can you reread, i apologize, can you reread it to me again . Recommending the legislation be heard a second time here at the Small BusinessCommission Wants the amendments once the amendments are made so it will be reintroduced a second time with the amendments that supervisor peskin has shared with the commission by his letter. Additional amendments be considered based on the discussion here today. We need to specify . No, i can go back to the discussion by video. If i try to do that now if it doesnt, then we dont agree. I just try to figure out [laughter] you know, im doing my best. For clarity, for protocol. I got you. In reading back the amendment, if i understand, if the legislation does not come back the commission is requesting that the legislation comes back with the written amendments, in the legislation with consideration suggested amendments that the commission is providing with the set of recommendations. If it does not come back, before the commission, the commission is definitely recommending not to support the legislation as written. Correct. The simple way of saying it we do not support the legislation is currently listed written and then the rest of what you are saying. Thats what i said the first time. Should i made the motion. You should have made the motion. [roll call] the motion passes 60 with 1 absent. Thank you. Item five. Approval of draft Meeting Minutes. Action item. Has any everyone read the draft Meeting Minutes . Any members of public want to make comments on the draft Meeting Minutes . Do we have a motion. All in favor. And opposed . Congratulations for finishing the minutes. That is a monumental achievement. Directors report, update and report on office of the Small Business and the department programs, policy and legislative matters, announcements from the mayor, and announcements regarding Small Business activities. Discussion item. Good evening commissioners. Good evening, commissioners. At the beginning of my report i want to congratulate president adams for his 20 year recognition for making fiscally responsible, and profitable, and viable. Financially sustainable. Thank you. Congratulations. I want to congratulate commissioner adams, for that. I also had the honor of attending the Chinese Cultural Center gallo this weekend where commissioner riley was recognized for her lifetime as a community advocate. That was also a very nice ceremony and recognition for commissioner yees lifetime of work and advocacy for. And, she shared the evening with supervisor norman yi, thompson and a couple of other chinatown organizations. Congratulations to you for receiving that recognition. Just some quick updates. I know for our neighborhood commercial corridors there has been a lot of issues around cardboard. No longer are the trucks coming in the evenings and picking up cardboard it has dramatically dropped. It is no longer profitable for them. The department of public works has been giving citations as well as charges showing up on businesses bills. Working with supervisor brown, he has worked with the department of public works, and i also want to think the director for putting a 60 day moratorium on issuing the citations. And thinking recology, they are starting to do their outreach. The quick summary is, between now and the end of the year, they will not be charging for the additional bundles. This will allow the time, because we are moving into the Holiday Season and people are increasing their inventory. As well as allowing the time for recology to work with each business and figure out the best solution. And then there will be a sixmonth phase of in starting january 1, from a 5dollar fee up to an extra bundle and those that dont fit in the recycling bin. Starting july 1, the 15dollar fee. The mayor along with the supervisor announcing the next steps for implementing and strengthening the Conservatorship Program which i know it is important many Small Businesses. There will be a conservative ship working group that is established to help oversee the implementation of the program. And then the mayor breed appointed suzy locked as District Attorney due to District Attorney gas tones resignation. That is a status update. Our upcoming presentations to the commission that have been requested due to uh new business next week we will be receiving an update from the Economic Workforce Development office on their programs, implementation of the mayors 9 milliondollar on where we are with the Small Business roundtable. We will be having the resolution , with your request, commissioner ortizcartagena around taking a look at the city taking a look and needing to do an of online delivery, and those types of businesses to our brickandmortar businesses. And then, domenico will be providing you with a presentation on the software, and potential tablets that might be used for you to give consideration before we make the investment. Providing you with the software. Particularly the software. The first part meeting in november, we will be having the hearing on the construction mitigation. A presentation from the Planning Department and public works. I am waiting confirmation for the first meeting in december on the Community Benefit districts and a resolution regarding the recycle charges to our Small Businesses. A couple other things to highlight is the tobacco economic Mitigation Working Group will have its first meeting next week, october 16. Between january and february, we will be working with a consultant who is not yet selected, but to work on our Strategic Plan since we havent updated it since fiscal year 1314. And then we are targeting a Planning Session for the department on march 23. I did meet with the outer Sunset Merchants Association to present the accessible business entrance program, and the legacy business program. The next meeting you will be hearing supervisor waltons update to the sugar sweetened beverage warning for advertisement. The two pieces of items you heard the last time, have not yet been scheduled in committee. Not yet referred supervisor peskin introduced an excise tax on keeping commercial property vacant. That is for the march ballot. We will be reviewing that, and potentially see if we can get hurt here at the commission. Okay. Do we have any members of the public that would like to make comment on the d