Keep . Are we in agreement . I think i agree with supervisor ronen that these are interrelated and if we do find some funding, either from this or from, i dont care, you know, to fund the civilianization, then i am in agreement. Chair supervisor mandle man . Ok. Chair so i think that we have said that we will cattleya academcut threeAcademy Classes e chief which Academy Class to keep and not keep any of the Academy Class on reserve. Lets get to the overteam. Theres been a proposal from supervisor walton to cut the budget to 75 and by supervisor yourself eesupervisoryee to cute 50 in reserve and then theres a use of the overtime money for some of the overtime money to civilianize the police force. Now, supervisor walton, you have put a proposal of 75 of the 17 million to be cut from the overtime budget. Would you comfortable with supervisor yees proposal of a 50 cut and 25 of that 50 being put on reserve . Yes, yes. Thank you. Chair supervisor ronen, are you comfortable by cutting by 50 and putting 25 of that 50 in reserve . Its related to my other proposal, so i dont i mean, ill be outnumbered three, but if were going to get to concensuconsensus for all of th. Chair yours is a monetary cut in addition to these cuts and thats why i want to do these cuts first and then we talk about your cut, ok . I know, but its hard. I do get it, except that its like if im agreeing to bend on all of the the cuts that i want to do and then nobody agrees with the further cuts, then, you know what im saying . Its all from the same pot of money. Chair so i think that this is not about if you agree and ill agree with you or you agree. This is about what you yourself agree that you want to do about this particular thing. Except i would have cut 50 of the overtime budget without putting any in reserve. I would have cut all four Academy Classes and in addition, i would cut, you know, hsoc, hot team and mounted horses. So i have now made a compromise where im only Cutting Three classes and now youre asking me to make a further compromise to cut only 25 of the overtime budget and from what ive heard so far. Chair its 50 . But putting 25 in reserve. Chair you can say no. Ill just say no. Chair youre saying no to the 25 reserve or 50 cut or all of it . Im fine with 50 cut. Chair but none in reserve. Is that correct . Thats right. Chair supervisor mandelman, how are you feeling . I am not comfortable and wont get comfortable and you shouldnt try to get me comfortable with significant cuts in overtime, that its just a flatout cut and it is not leaving time for further conversation about kind of where that is coming out of and what it does do safety. This is more than what im comfortable with but my feelings will not be hurt. I understand im outnumbered and i think you should move on. Chair i am comfortable with supervisor yees proposal and so, supervisor ronen, lets go now to your proposal because i think that i will revise it. Let me revise my proposal so were clear what it is. Ssince nobody agreed with my original proposal and if you could help me with the numbers, nick, that i would cut just 25 of the hsoc, Homeless Outreach team and mounted unit in year one and then an additional 25 of those three teams in year two. Sure, nick menard from the bla, through the chair. So the 25 of those three teams amount to 3. 5 million, approximately. In year one . Yes. And im assuming that the year one and year two costs are the same because thats the number that i have in terms of the salaries for those positions, because theres no pay raises. Right. So youre saying over the two years, its 3. 5 million . No, thats just for year one and for year two, it would be about 7 million. Ok. Chair supervisor ro income en, it is it your proposal, then, we put 7 million of the Police Budget on reserve . If we did a 3. 5 million cut year one and the justification there is to say, were serious about this, we are putting our money where our mouth is and we have a lot of work to do, right, as a city. And were starting that work and then, i would cover the 7 million in reserve for year two. But its less money in year two . So i propose a 50 in year one and then 25 in year two. And now im doing 25 in year one and 25 in year two, but youre right, i would put that in reserve in the second year. Thats 7 million in reserve. Chair so you want year one and two in reserve the second year . Right. Chair twentyfive the first year and less the second year, right . So the 25 . So its cumulative. Chair what i think is, is it 25 of the 50 . I think thats what im asking. Because youre cutting 50 and then you said i want to cut another 25 . So after the first year, youve cut 50 . I think its 25 the first year. I revised my proposal because nobody on the Budget Committee was with me, so im revising the proposal and im saying, could we put 25 in the first year, which is 3. 5 millions of the three teams, equivalent to what that would cost for the three teams and then cut an additional 25 in the second year, so that we would cut 50 of the teams over two years as we are putting in place a new system to deal with the unhoused population. I dont see the need for the mounted horses. But i also would be ok putting that 7 million in the second year on reserve since were going to be creating a new system and dont know what that will be. Chair so youre thinking so let me go to the chief. Chief scott, if we were to do these cuts, would they mean layoffs . There would mean layoffs, supervisor. Chair do you know how many layoffs that would be . Well try to get quick math while youre deliberating. Whats the total . The total is 3. 5. Chair thats not 3. 5 total, know, its 7 total. Is that right . No, the 3. 5 million in the first year, in addition to whatever we decide on overtime, is the cut for the first year and then in the second year, im proposing a 7 million cut, but in reserve, so that we can be working all year to figure out how were going to change the system. And so what i believe and tell me if im right, chief, is that in terms of lay dozeoffs, the fe were looking at is 3. 5 million. Am i understanding this correctly, everyone. Chair right. Probably about a dozen layoffs. Chair so im just going to say, i am not comfortable with layoffs. Supervisor ronen, i so appreciate the conversation that were having. I just am not comfortable with layoffs because i know i feel very mixed about it myself. Chair im sorry. Im not. Pair ai please stand by . Maybe some of these positions wont be necessary. I do not support layoffs this year. Supervisor walton, how do you feel about supervisor ronens proposal. We are hearing from supervisor yee and mandelman that they are opposed to layoffs but open to putting money in the second year on reserve. Excuse me, you are on mute. I am definitely open to putting 7 million on reserve for the second year. Again, it is hard for me at this point. Not an impossibility without knowing the officers it is an issue now. What you are hearing there is an appetite to put money the second year on reserve, not for layoffs. Chief, what you have heard now is that what we are saying is that we are thinking a substantial amount of money on reserve the second year. This committee is opposed to the layoffs. If we put reserves amount of money on the second year, colleagues, we would put it in budget and finance reserve, is that correct. Yes, that is. I think we have a proposal on the table. We are looking at supervisor ronen has a proposal. We rejected the first proposal. Is it to put 7 million on reserve the second year, supervisor ronen . Yes. Are you comfortable with that amount, supervisor yee . Yes, i will support it. Supervisor mandelman, are you comfortable with the 7 million amount on the second year in reserve . Yes. Supervisor walton, amenable . Yes. Me, too. Consensus. Thank you for bringing that up for 7 million second year in reserve. We have before us did we decide on a compromise . Do we have a compromise on what i am hearing is i think what we have an agreement among us is 50 cut in over time, additional 25 on reserve. Is that what i am hearing . I think we need to cut it in half. 50 cut over time pan additional 25 . That is not what i said. I know that is not what you said. I am asking. You said you would be flexible. Could we go there . That is my question to you. What president yee said was 50 cut in over time, 25 of that 50 would go to reserves. What i am saying is because supervisor walton wanted 75 cut in over time if we could get to 50 cut in over time and additional 25 in reserve. I think that is the question, president yee, you mentioned you could be flexible. That is what i am asking. I guess i will counter that to say can you be flexible with 50 cut . Okay. I see the chief has his hand up. Chief scott. I want to remind the committee. We are 25 into the fiscal year. We have had some ongoing costs, including response to the wildfires and covid that have impacted us greatly, and the civil unrest in july. That is to keep in mind. We are 25 . We would be left with very small budget for the rest of the year, almost nonexisting over time budget. How much over time budget have you spent already . Can i ask a question while we wait, supervisor fewer . Yes supervisor walton. What is your Wildfire Response . What does sfpd have to do in response to the wildfires. Request from alameda county. Coordinator. Our duties help with evacuation when communities get evacuated often times they have security or Police Officers to make sure that peoples residences and businesses dont get looted, which is common in this scenario. Those are the two main duties. This original mutual aid call we responded as we did with the wildfire in the past couple years. Supervisor walton. Our spending is 2 million already this fiscal year since july 1st. If nine months out of the year and you have a 17 million over time budget. For nine months you have a 12. 7 million over time budget. I think that what we are we are dealing with a two year budget here. Colleagues, we could have a compromise with supervisor yee in the first year perhaps doing cut and putting 25 cut and 25 on reserve. Second year of the overtime budget a 50 cut. If people are am meanable to that. Chief it looks like you are about to respond. We wanted to verify the numbers. It is 2. 4 has been spent since july 1st. Chair fewer. Who is that . This is supervisor walton. I cant take less than i would not agree to anything less than 50 cut for Police Department over time. They will have to figure out from a management perspective to work that. I will say, supervisor walton after being on the committee three years. When people exceed the overtime budget they come back for supplemental. Much of the overtime as the police said we have been trying to cut is that it is mandatory, also. When ever it is off the council that is over time and court time is over time. I understand that there needs to be an overtime budget. I actually think that we might want because this is an odd budget year and we are nine months into this already. I am wondering if you would be willing to look at this year with smaller budget cut and following year 50 over time budget cut . I can live with that. How abou about supervisor yed ronen. How do you feel about that. Can you say it one more time . We are nine months into the year. That is why i am saying a smaller cut this year and then more cut next year. This year 25 cut and next year 50 cut in the overtime. 25 and then 25 in reserve. No, it is 25 cut this year, this fiscal year. Next fiscal year is 50 cut. I am okay with that. I am, too. Supervisor mandelman. I am sorry we cant bring you along. We have agreement. Before everyone changes their mind this is what we agreed on. First fiscal year because we are nine months into the year 25 cut from the police over time budget. Following full fiscal year we are saying 50 cut in over time, nothing in reserve. Is that correct . Okay. Then the academy, we said we would cut we will keep one of the academies and cut three. When one do you want to keep 1234. The fall. We will push it. To save money we will push fall academy to january. That is the academy you want to keep . I am sorry. You are not doing the fall 2020. You want to do the beginning of 2021, is that correct . We want to do it in january. Chief we will come back to you. It looks like you want to tell us something. Only when the committee is done i would like to reiterate so we know we are implementing correctly on your behalf. The question i dont be understand would be the chiefs preference regarding which class. Chief, back to you. The chief suggested class in 2021, am i correct, chief. That is the fall class, right. He would like to keep the fall class. Okay. Colleagues. I neglected to get consensus. Wait. Not finished. Where shall we take where do you propose to take that money from . Cut in the over time . It is the same money. Whatever you decide. 50 cut in over time. President yee is looking to find some money to civilianize out of the 50 cut. We dont know how much money that is. The civil linnieszation. It was in a budget at some point. No this is why these positions. Chief, how much would it cost to civilianize those positions ready. A little work for that one, chair fewer, to give you a number. We will work on it right now. We will come back to you because we have another decision before us, committee. We are doing well, we are on a roll. Bodyworn cameras. We heard from the Police Department they are calculating it wrong. We heard about batteries being expired. The bla is recommending a cut of 77,000 [ inaudible ] is that correct. That is correct, chair fewer. We did speak with the Police Department earlier today. They indicated they could in fact take a 600,000 cut to the bodyworn camera budget for 21. That was year one. That was what they thought was reasonable. 300 in year two. Okay. I looks like the consensus 600 year one, 300 year two. Consensus . Thank you very much. Please, controller, can you note that before we forget. There was another about supplies and uniforms. Were you able to come to an agreement with the agreement with the police on that one . I think we still disagree. What we agreed to do was to put 400,000 in year one on budget and finance committee reserve so that the department will come back and justify that spending. Okay. You were suggesting 400,000 in year one and 400,000 in year two. That is 400,000 on reserve in year one. 200,000 cut in year two. It looks like the bla and Police Department have consensus on that. Police department is agreeing. We agree with that . Okay. Thank you very much. Mr. Controller can you please note that also. The last thing pending here is on the chief and the cost to civilianize. In approximately 7. 5 million. 7. 5 million. We cant do that. Supervisor ronen. I am sorry. I thought all of this compromise including the civilianize issues. If it doesnt it changes my opinion on this. The think about the civilianize which i want to happen. If we add an additional 7. 5 million to the Police Budget, we have undone half of what we have taken away. Because those officers then go out to the street. It is all one budget. We have done it in pieces. We dont have control over any of this because it will all be the chiefs decision. I want to say we dont have to fund the whole 7 million. President yee, do you have a proposal . I would suggest 15 which would behalf. By the way the first year, i mean what they gave was full year budget for this year. It is going to be probably half of what is needed by the time they are up in these positions. I will go like 15 instead of the 30. You are asking 3. 5 million from our over time savings that we are cutting the Police Budget . For this year. If it is a full year, you know, one year of salary. They are not going to have to pay one year salary. They havent hired them yet. It would be a lot less than that, depending when they hire them. Where do you want to take this money from . Wherever the pot is that came out of the savings we made suggestions in cutting. Supervisor ronen. I cant support this at all. We have a list a mile long of over 300 million requests that range from subsidies for seniors, low Income Housing to violence prevention organizations that get in between the games to stop them from having a warfare. We will not get close to one tenth of that list right now. This goes directly to that. I cannot support this in any way and it will change how i have gone about this. Mr. Rosenfield, how much are we cutting the Police Budget by . Can you give us a total. I have to take a minute to do that, madam chair. I can give you an estimate. Mr. Bernard, do you have it . I just want to offer that when we the Committee Last year the plan that was approved which created positions throughout the fiscal year 2. 7 million at that time because as president yee was saying. The positions arent funded for the whole year. They start at various times throughout the year. It is low on the number. How much was used . Well this is for fiscal year 21. Those have all been deleted now or put on hold. Mr. Rosenfeld is getting us a number of the total money in police cuts. There is a minor cut i want to make sure the committee did not overlook. You may remember on the Library Budget that came up there was a policy recommendation to delete the work order with the Police Department. This recommendation is both in the Library Budget and the Police Budget because it is a work order. I think there was consensus to agree to our recommendation for the second year 100 cut and 75 cut in the first year. There were questions if that could be increased in the first year. There has been some discussion between our office and the library and the police based on what has already been billed in the current year. It is my understanding the library and Police Department both agree that the first year work order could be cut down to 15,000. I wanted to bring that to your attention for your consideration. The proposal with bla75 cut. Supervisor ronen 100 cut in 2021 considering we are into the year. That is why 75 . Are you in agreement, supervisor ronen . Yes. Controller, that is the recommendation number four that we are in agreement with. The controller is getting us the total money amount. Chair fewer, it is 3. 5 million. It is not 2. 7, it is 3. 5 million. Might i ask a question . Yes. There was money for civilia civilianization in the 1920 budget. Yes. Did that get fully spent . Chief, did that get fully spent . I will turn it