What I Know podcast. Jobs had resigned as Apple chairman three years earlier, at age 30. He agreed to come talk to Collins's business class at Stanford University, and the two stayed in touch. Collins came to see that Jobs, as he said, "never lost the passion for what he was doing, and he was growing and he was learning." It was that learning that led to remarkable growth--and what Collins has come to see as "Steve Jobs 2.0," an entirely different leader and manager than he'd been when he started the company. When Jobs called him two decades later, in 2007, he saw the result of the growth when he asked Jobs what he'd prioritized upon returning to the company he founded. Jobs said he focused on finding the people there who still believed in the original vision of the company.