I met and talked with you Joe Carolan, about 5 years ago, before I had me heart attack. We discussed a rogue security company that had been breaking NZ labour laws…we went together to a memorial service for a fellow guard who was murdered in Henderson,… well I recall that, It was there that I was beckoned over by Helen Kelley , because as a guard, I was naturally circumspect and preferred to remain in the background. Yet she was warm and friendly. And that’s how I remembered her. With some discomfort, I moved to the front lines on her beckoning.