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A major talking point at the cop 27 climate summit. Madagascar is facing its 5th Consecutive Year of drought. Water supplies have dried up, causing a food crisis. Near miles, military has framed 6000 prisoners, including for foreigners. Its part of an annual amnesty to Mark National j e n. My has been in political turmoil since the military stage occurred last year, forcing out civilian later on some sushi. It led to widespread protests and arrests of thousands. 20 chang is following developments from bangkok. The total number of 5774. 00 prisoners being released. Its a large number. Its not uncommon for an amnesty to be announced and a National Holiday was usually the largest amnesty of the years in the me. Im on new year, which is in the spring. This time there are also including 712. 00 Political Prisoners and that is certainly more than have been released since the cute in the us. The republicans have 1219 states in the house of representatives. This gives them just enough to control the chamber with 6 other states still being counted more than a week after the midterm elections. The democrats have maintained control of the senate still in the us, and the Justice Department will proceed with criminal investigations into donald trump. Despite hes been to run again, if a president in 2024, trump is being investigated for his efforts to overturn the 2020 Election Results and for keeping classified documents at his florida state. On tuesday, him now he will take the Republican Party nomination for the next president ial election. Russia has faced criticism as a Un Security Council meeting after miss el landed in poland, nato and poland say its likely the weapon was fight as part of ukrainian, a defenses to peoples work to people rather would kill when it hits polish territory. The us says russia is ultimately to blame because he invited ukraine and south korea says be on the yang has 5 Ballistic Missile off the east coast. The launch comes hours after north Korea Foreign minister want of visa, military responses to us activity in the region. All right, those are the headlines. Im emily anglin. The niece continues here on al jazeera, after inside story, motivated and more politically engaged than ever before. Demanding change on their own terms. Welcome to generation change. A global theory, the attempt to understand and talent, the ideas that mobilize youth around the world. We look representation of People Like Us in politics and government, and higher aspects of society. Generation change coming seen on al jazeera, a messiah has landed in poland, killing 2 people. Ukraine accuses russia of moscow. Denies any involvement us. Im nato, are investigating. Can the risk of a spill over from the war in ukraine be contained . This is inside story. Ah hello and welcome to the program. Im laura kyle. A missile strike in poland has raised fairs. The war in ukraine could spill over into neighboring countries, and that has the potential to pull the western military Alliance Nato directly into the conflict. The strike kill 2 people in a polish village near the ukrainian border. Grain is blaming russia, but moscow says it had nothing to do with it. Poland identifies the message as russian made, but both russia and ukraine have this weapon in their arsenals. Earlier investigations just it may have been fired by Ukrainian Forces to intercept an incoming russian missile. Helens president says there is no evidence to suggest the attack was deliberate throughout the us to be sure that you thought it was probably an es 300. 00 rock had made in the soviet union an old rocket and there is no evidence that it was launched by the russian side, it is highly probable that it was fired by ukrainian anti Aircraft Defense and unfortunately fell on l territory on absence. On poland as a member of nato, which held an emergency meeting in brussels. Its actually general says russia is ultimately to blame our preliminary analysis. So just thought the insolent will slightly caused by a Ukrainian Air defense miss san fired to the friends ukrainian territory against russia Cruise Missile attacks. But let me be clear, this is not ukraines fault. Russia bears ultimate responsibility are suit continuous. Its illegal war against ukraine or back in the us announced it would open a Permanent Military base in poland to boost nita defenses in countries bordering ukraine. The alliance has added for new combat units in slovakia, romania, bulgaria, and hungry. Just this week, germany announced it will establish a maintenance hub in slovakia to service and repair weapons. It has delivered to ukraine and since september, the slovak, our space is being protected by the check and polish air forces. Thats after the country decided to phase out the use of its soviet era make 29. 00 fighters. Moldova remains relatively neutral at closed its air space to the world when the invasion began and announced a state of emergency the. Well now let the bring in our gas than in belfast. We have alexander tittle lecturer in modern european history at queens university, belfast, and a specialist on russia and singapore summer perri, a visiting lecturer and was study that Kings College london and all 3 of the book rushes road to war with ukraine and in washington. Bobbitt hunter, a former Us Ambassador to nato under president bill clinton, if i will welcome to all of you, a robot. If i could start with you, this is a day that many predicted would come the spillover of rushes war into nato territory. How have you rated the response . Well, im not sure it really is a spillover of the war. That implies something quite major. If youre granted missile that, when, of course, then its actually rather minor matter. The response here has been very interesting. The president does not want to say escalation, if at all possible, he wants russia to back off, wants to support mister zelinski and what hes doing in ukraine. But to have was, the administration has kept his message very tightly controlled and not gotten ahead of the facts. Theres a good thing because more than the actual matter that took place on poet territory is a symbolism it has. And the heightened anxiety was in various nato countries, mostly along the frontier with ukraine. And there might be a wider war. So its just like a logical impact, which is far more important than the incident. So, alexander, it does seem that russia has appreciated the calm response from the u. S. White one k. So far to say this is gone some way to improving trust between the 2 sides. No, no. The fact that americans are as a kind of careful message and they really, really reasonably assume their own assessments, which of course they see everything. What happens in what way miss austin, flying from and so forth. In this area, i suggested that they dont want to explanation, but at the same time, the message is also going to be very clear that roches bearing ultimate responsibility. This is kind of message, weve been kind of sent out by all the nato countries and they basically, they this point in time, at least theyre quite happy the way things are going in a sense that theyre happy to level of support for your brain. And what Health Ukraine is doing against roches so far. So other moments theres no reason for escalation. But at the same time, this incident shows that you cannot always control escalation in these areas in this, in the circumstances. And of course leave. Its just a reminder that it is actually can aspire out of control quite quite easily between the 2 in russia as well as between russia and ukraine and well, how close do you think that was spiraling out of control . I dont think at all was people hadnt suspected chance sofa assessment. Most of the other l i dont want to be engaged in. Its almost all of them. And i was so called liner or just for their future. But given the uncertainty, various chancellor is within nato began to become more anxious as it started working to their own security arrangements. What this does illustrate, i think, is that nato, your west, et cetera, has been in an adequate and helping ukraine deal with incoming missiles, cruise, murphy, drugs and cetera, which are now obviously designed to capitalize on history or call general winter to try to black out ukraine during a very, very difficult winter and also to send a message to west European Countries and their own, hey, i just wonder, could be directly or indirectly at rest. So what does not need is german airplanes. What is needed is high quality anti missile defenses, which the state has and should be should line. Okay, well come back to that point in just a moment festival submit, although mostly to seem to agree that this was this miss l was a miss fire from ukraine. Ukraine is still not accepting that. Why knows . So the credibility of the Defense Systems, and this is the building on the point that robert made. This is one of the most important defensive features of ukraine, Still Standing in the war. And i think its worth to remind yourself that the area around the polish border has been targeted by the russians and then Long Distance missile strikes in the bus. One strike in particular, came to mind with us seeing reason of this blasting painting that was on the 13th of marching in a place called yavari, which is just to the west of the b isnt ukraine, but not too far from the purge border. The russian says that they struck a hope for western military assistance being sent from nato, from poland into, into western ukraine to be dispersed in the wars. And so, you know, obviously this is a very well protective parts of ukraine given its importance as a hub. And i think the ukrainians will be really keen to signals all around that. This is not something that they can, they can fail to defense. Oh, are you crazy saying it once, immediate access to the impact site that it wants to be involved in the investigation discovery my therapy, if you can, what that investigation is going to look like and what more its going to tell us. I mean, see the, the debris at the, at the sort of source of the w fragmentation. If it survive the blas movie, the some sort of fragments i, she survived the blast that might allow for a definitive conclusion to be drawn as to whos, whos miss all it was a space. If the ukraine is privately wont to work out what had happened if it wasnt one of their defense missiles, a may actually also be wondering what, what mistake was made or whether the nissan system is treated by accident. Or perhaps what we dont hear is that there is actually a response to an active russian strike or a threat of a russian strike. And i think theres a picture to be booked to put together by the ukrainians. Well, you mentioned before that the blame alexander does, does still fit voice squarely with russia. Most leaders still thing this is russias responsibility for thought the war in the 1st place. Do you think thats acceptable in any way to russia . Well i think they are gonna be on, i mean, when the whole war started, that was already a sign that they dont care about the west things. Right. Its, its a matter of who gets come on the battle ground. So thats we move to that stage. So theres no contract, theres no for trying to win hearts and minds and so forth on either side. But with this, i think that the criminal will be kind of mildly happy that you know, the 1st like which actually kills too much for us citizens will came from ukraine, relevant from russia, ukraines reaction because quite interesting, as you said, the still insisting that it was ross miss, i won the secretary of a security council, denila just said that you have proof that it was russia, even though you know, i think its pretty clear. I mean, the, the, the pentagon wouldnt be saying if they had any doubt that it was you credit sauce if they had any doubt about it. So i think that youre going to play to really look out for that. Because basically, the assumption is, lets just blend russia and we wont from this. And in fact the crane is not moving on. I see resisting of that kind of russian for that. It was russian, me say, might go on to my needs understanding in the long term, but so we have to kind of be careful how to play it. And russia also has to be capital. Ive doesnt know weve had to at least one rather unhelpful comment from the kremlin, from the former president to meet you met with who said earlier today that the explosion says that the west is moving closer to another world war. Thats pretty inflammatory. Well, i mean thats me do it if i can develop use this random f o being of is very vocal hawk on his telegram channel since the started yeah, but i mean, you know, the, the key roster of course is that to keep out nato as much as possible from ukraine, including from supplies of weapons, if its gamma and so forth. So yeah, thats rhetoric. It goes some ways to reminding whats at stake. But i think the overall in exton happen because its bill from, from the also to say, but it was the grant and responsible would be, can be beneficial for russia. The way they say its that its actually a few grains bolt. And you can, can be trotted and so forth. There really is no appetite at all from nato countries. Is that to escalate this war to enter it against russia . Thats absolutely true. In fact, the fact of the National Show are almost their materials. Its what individual countries new leaders make of it as an old clinical on an american statecraft. No good crisis should go to waste from and out for the great news. However, this happened. This helps illustrate to the west that unless there is greater help for ukraine in particular in its air defenses, are its defenses against missiles. This kind of thing can happen and it might just might get out of control. So the ukraine, i think very smart from their perspective to emphasize the escrow tory possibilities and to mr. Murray to come as i put more or less the same category of the saber rattling right and mr. Prudent over Nuclear Weapons. The use of Nuclear Weapons is conflict is an absolute absurdity in the sense that it would be a miscalculate of, of the greatest order world history. So your question, what you have now stern messages to moscow overall are trying to bring a reward to an end. And also stopping up the supply of the high quality anti missile capacity to your credit. They submit, should we expect of ukrainians to, to increase their call for more of such weapons system high quality anti Missile Systems . Absolutely. And actually, what be one is the lensky talk, talking points is focusing quite specifically on this issue of air and Defense Systems. Clearly because ukrainian cities of the nowhere near the ground war cities, one of the odessa, even key of now, a stooping, struck intermittently by these rushing long range weapons. A variety of rushing weapons, in fact, Cruise Missiles, all the way to these cycle kamikaze during supplied by the iranians. So there is a clear defensive need. I would say that with that comes the obvious, hasnt that youre packing in into the cities in these areas. Lots of a Defense System song which may be from Different Countries because some may come from the usa. Some may come from some of these over to the russian stall as 30400 systems. And so theres a huge need as well of ukrainians to maintain a situational awareness, to make sure that theyre not here for me, things by accident, because that can happen, and what goes up must come down. And i think thats one of the, the lessons, the obvious lessons from this particular a tragedy in poland. And thats an interesting points to me because russia did actually say today that tuesday strikes on the residential areas of cave. Well, actually ukraine anti aircraft missiles again, misfiring. And do you think there was any truth in that where they, leaping on todays misfire, to excuse all the other missiles strikes from yesterday . I think lori yourself, in a really critical point, which is the sort of counter claims the claims of miss attribution. Russians of course, pos. Moss is a message message, repeating things on purpose. And its interesting with the boston, poland. Theres almost a sense that the Russian Foreign minister is trying to print, portray this is a ukraine false flag operation to draw the poles in, i guess, jordan a so and so i think once we have to take these things very skeptically in terms of how the russians frame whats happening . That information was that messaging conflict. This is a part of the conflicts unfolding and parallel to the media issues of the destination and actually causing loss of life how the war is framed by science. And indeed, the media space is a really important point because this is probably one of the most coveted conflicts ever. Technology is moved on, so we see a loss for multiple angles, use a footage and everything else. Really important aspects. I think that thats important. Alexander, how close you know, following the state media media in russia. How is this incident being covered that i think its kind of, they were very quick to make the point that it was a credit miss. Ill even before the official statements from nature and so forth. But i know that they blame you. I mean that the doing all the points and over the change in rhetoric for all the new shows on. So that was russian miss, ill figuring article for getting out of 5, you know, making it really the case and then saying when its done out to be ukrainian is all the way says like, nothing, nothing to say here. Lets move on. Its a rough hold. Anyway, even if you can, is it . So for them its because its a, its a big program to we know theres no question about it. You know, for internal consumption. I dont think it makes a difference and internationally because the nature of support free credit will not be affected by incidence like letters such as this, but the mystical, yes, it is. A big interaction probably mentioned before that the u. S. As mounts is going to open a Consecutive Year<\/a> of drought. Water supplies have dried up, causing a food crisis. Near miles, military has framed 6000 prisoners, including for foreigners. Its part of an annual amnesty to Mark National<\/a> j e n. My has been in political turmoil since the military stage occurred last year, forcing out civilian later on some sushi. It led to widespread protests and arrests of thousands. 20 chang is following developments from bangkok. The total number of 5774. 00 prisoners being released. Its a large number. Its not uncommon for an amnesty to be announced and a National Holiday<\/a> was usually the largest amnesty of the years in the me. Im on new year, which is in the spring. This time there are also including 712. 00 Political Prisoners<\/a> and that is certainly more than have been released since the cute in the us. The republicans have 1219 states in the house of representatives. This gives them just enough to control the chamber with 6 other states still being counted more than a week after the midterm elections. The democrats have maintained control of the senate still in the us, and the Justice Department<\/a> will proceed with criminal investigations into donald trump. Despite hes been to run again, if a president in 2024, trump is being investigated for his efforts to overturn the 2020 Election Results<\/a> and for keeping classified documents at his florida state. On tuesday, him now he will take the Republican Party<\/a> nomination for the next president ial election. Russia has faced criticism as a Un Security Council<\/a> meeting after miss el landed in poland, nato and poland say its likely the weapon was fight as part of ukrainian, a defenses to peoples work to people rather would kill when it hits polish territory. The us says russia is ultimately to blame because he invited ukraine and south korea says be on the yang has 5 Ballistic Missile<\/a> off the east coast. The launch comes hours after north Korea Foreign<\/a> minister want of visa, military responses to us activity in the region. All right, those are the headlines. Im emily anglin. The niece continues here on al jazeera, after inside story, motivated and more politically engaged than ever before. Demanding change on their own terms. Welcome to generation change. A global theory, the attempt to understand and talent, the ideas that mobilize youth around the world. We look representation of People Like Us<\/a> in politics and government, and higher aspects of society. Generation change coming seen on al jazeera, a messiah has landed in poland, killing 2 people. Ukraine accuses russia of moscow. Denies any involvement us. Im nato, are investigating. Can the risk of a spill over from the war in ukraine be contained . This is inside story. Ah hello and welcome to the program. Im laura kyle. A missile strike in poland has raised fairs. The war in ukraine could spill over into neighboring countries, and that has the potential to pull the western military Alliance Nato<\/a> directly into the conflict. The strike kill 2 people in a polish village near the ukrainian border. Grain is blaming russia, but moscow says it had nothing to do with it. Poland identifies the message as russian made, but both russia and ukraine have this weapon in their arsenals. Earlier investigations just it may have been fired by Ukrainian Forces<\/a> to intercept an incoming russian missile. Helens president says there is no evidence to suggest the attack was deliberate throughout the us to be sure that you thought it was probably an es 300. 00 rock had made in the soviet union an old rocket and there is no evidence that it was launched by the russian side, it is highly probable that it was fired by ukrainian anti Aircraft Defense<\/a> and unfortunately fell on l territory on absence. On poland as a member of nato, which held an emergency meeting in brussels. Its actually general says russia is ultimately to blame our preliminary analysis. So just thought the insolent will slightly caused by a Ukrainian Air<\/a> defense miss san fired to the friends ukrainian territory against russia Cruise Missile<\/a> attacks. But let me be clear, this is not ukraines fault. Russia bears ultimate responsibility are suit continuous. Its illegal war against ukraine or back in the us announced it would open a Permanent Military<\/a> base in poland to boost nita defenses in countries bordering ukraine. The alliance has added for new combat units in slovakia, romania, bulgaria, and hungry. Just this week, germany announced it will establish a maintenance hub in slovakia to service and repair weapons. It has delivered to ukraine and since september, the slovak, our space is being protected by the check and polish air forces. Thats after the country decided to phase out the use of its soviet era make 29. 00 fighters. Moldova remains relatively neutral at closed its air space to the world when the invasion began and announced a state of emergency the. Well now let the bring in our gas than in belfast. We have alexander tittle lecturer in modern european history at queens university, belfast, and a specialist on russia and singapore summer perri, a visiting lecturer and was study that Kings College<\/a> london and all 3 of the book rushes road to war with ukraine and in washington. Bobbitt hunter, a former Us Ambassador<\/a> to nato under president bill clinton, if i will welcome to all of you, a robot. If i could start with you, this is a day that many predicted would come the spillover of rushes war into nato territory. How have you rated the response . Well, im not sure it really is a spillover of the war. That implies something quite major. If youre granted missile that, when, of course, then its actually rather minor matter. The response here has been very interesting. The president does not want to say escalation, if at all possible, he wants russia to back off, wants to support mister zelinski and what hes doing in ukraine. But to have was, the administration has kept his message very tightly controlled and not gotten ahead of the facts. Theres a good thing because more than the actual matter that took place on poet territory is a symbolism it has. And the heightened anxiety was in various nato countries, mostly along the frontier with ukraine. And there might be a wider war. So its just like a logical impact, which is far more important than the incident. So, alexander, it does seem that russia has appreciated the calm response from the u. S. White one k. So far to say this is gone some way to improving trust between the 2 sides. No, no. The fact that americans are as a kind of careful message and they really, really reasonably assume their own assessments, which of course they see everything. What happens in what way miss austin, flying from and so forth. In this area, i suggested that they dont want to explanation, but at the same time, the message is also going to be very clear that roches bearing ultimate responsibility. This is kind of message, weve been kind of sent out by all the nato countries and they basically, they this point in time, at least theyre quite happy the way things are going in a sense that theyre happy to level of support for your brain. And what Health Ukraine<\/a> is doing against roches so far. So other moments theres no reason for escalation. But at the same time, this incident shows that you cannot always control escalation in these areas in this, in the circumstances. And of course leave. Its just a reminder that it is actually can aspire out of control quite quite easily between the 2 in russia as well as between russia and ukraine and well, how close do you think that was spiraling out of control . I dont think at all was people hadnt suspected chance sofa assessment. Most of the other l i dont want to be engaged in. Its almost all of them. And i was so called liner or just for their future. But given the uncertainty, various chancellor is within nato began to become more anxious as it started working to their own security arrangements. What this does illustrate, i think, is that nato, your west, et cetera, has been in an adequate and helping ukraine deal with incoming missiles, cruise, murphy, drugs and cetera, which are now obviously designed to capitalize on history or call general winter to try to black out ukraine during a very, very difficult winter and also to send a message to west European Countries<\/a> and their own, hey, i just wonder, could be directly or indirectly at rest. So what does not need is german airplanes. What is needed is high quality anti missile defenses, which the state has and should be should line. Okay, well come back to that point in just a moment festival submit, although mostly to seem to agree that this was this miss l was a miss fire from ukraine. Ukraine is still not accepting that. Why knows . So the credibility of the Defense System<\/a>s, and this is the building on the point that robert made. This is one of the most important defensive features of ukraine, Still Standing<\/a> in the war. And i think its worth to remind yourself that the area around the polish border has been targeted by the russians and then Long Distance<\/a> missile strikes in the bus. One strike in particular, came to mind with us seeing reason of this blasting painting that was on the 13th of marching in a place called yavari, which is just to the west of the b isnt ukraine, but not too far from the purge border. The russian says that they struck a hope for western military assistance being sent from nato, from poland into, into western ukraine to be dispersed in the wars. And so, you know, obviously this is a very well protective parts of ukraine given its importance as a hub. And i think the ukrainians will be really keen to signals all around that. This is not something that they can, they can fail to defense. Oh, are you crazy saying it once, immediate access to the impact site that it wants to be involved in the investigation discovery my therapy, if you can, what that investigation is going to look like and what more its going to tell us. I mean, see the, the debris at the, at the sort of source of the w fragmentation. If it survive the blas movie, the some sort of fragments i, she survived the blast that might allow for a definitive conclusion to be drawn as to whos, whos miss all it was a space. If the ukraine is privately wont to work out what had happened if it wasnt one of their defense missiles, a may actually also be wondering what, what mistake was made or whether the nissan system is treated by accident. Or perhaps what we dont hear is that there is actually a response to an active russian strike or a threat of a russian strike. And i think theres a picture to be booked to put together by the ukrainians. Well, you mentioned before that the blame alexander does, does still fit voice squarely with russia. Most leaders still thing this is russias responsibility for thought the war in the 1st place. Do you think thats acceptable in any way to russia . Well i think they are gonna be on, i mean, when the whole war started, that was already a sign that they dont care about the west things. Right. Its, its a matter of who gets come on the battle ground. So thats we move to that stage. So theres no contract, theres no for trying to win hearts and minds and so forth on either side. But with this, i think that the criminal will be kind of mildly happy that you know, the 1st like which actually kills too much for us citizens will came from ukraine, relevant from russia, ukraines reaction because quite interesting, as you said, the still insisting that it was ross miss, i won the secretary of a security council, denila just said that you have proof that it was russia, even though you know, i think its pretty clear. I mean, the, the, the pentagon wouldnt be saying if they had any doubt that it was you credit sauce if they had any doubt about it. So i think that youre going to play to really look out for that. Because basically, the assumption is, lets just blend russia and we wont from this. And in fact the crane is not moving on. I see resisting of that kind of russian for that. It was russian, me say, might go on to my needs understanding in the long term, but so we have to kind of be careful how to play it. And russia also has to be capital. Ive doesnt know weve had to at least one rather unhelpful comment from the kremlin, from the former president to meet you met with who said earlier today that the explosion says that the west is moving closer to another world war. Thats pretty inflammatory. Well, i mean thats me do it if i can develop use this random f o being of is very vocal hawk on his telegram channel since the started yeah, but i mean, you know, the, the key roster of course is that to keep out nato as much as possible from ukraine, including from supplies of weapons, if its gamma and so forth. So yeah, thats rhetoric. It goes some ways to reminding whats at stake. But i think the overall in exton happen because its bill from, from the also to say, but it was the grant and responsible would be, can be beneficial for russia. The way they say its that its actually a few grains bolt. And you can, can be trotted and so forth. There really is no appetite at all from nato countries. Is that to escalate this war to enter it against russia . Thats absolutely true. In fact, the fact of the National Show<\/a> are almost their materials. Its what individual countries new leaders make of it as an old clinical on an american statecraft. No good crisis should go to waste from and out for the great news. However, this happened. This helps illustrate to the west that unless there is greater help for ukraine in particular in its air defenses, are its defenses against missiles. This kind of thing can happen and it might just might get out of control. So the ukraine, i think very smart from their perspective to emphasize the escrow tory possibilities and to mr. Murray to come as i put more or less the same category of the saber rattling right and mr. Prudent over Nuclear Weapons<\/a>. The use of Nuclear Weapons<\/a> is conflict is an absolute absurdity in the sense that it would be a miscalculate of, of the greatest order world history. So your question, what you have now stern messages to moscow overall are trying to bring a reward to an end. And also stopping up the supply of the high quality anti missile capacity to your credit. They submit, should we expect of ukrainians to, to increase their call for more of such weapons system high quality anti Missile Systems<\/a> . Absolutely. And actually, what be one is the lensky talk, talking points is focusing quite specifically on this issue of air and Defense System<\/a>s. Clearly because ukrainian cities of the nowhere near the ground war cities, one of the odessa, even key of now, a stooping, struck intermittently by these rushing long range weapons. A variety of rushing weapons, in fact, Cruise Missile<\/a>s, all the way to these cycle kamikaze during supplied by the iranians. So there is a clear defensive need. I would say that with that comes the obvious, hasnt that youre packing in into the cities in these areas. Lots of a Defense System<\/a> song which may be from Different Countries<\/a> because some may come from the usa. Some may come from some of these over to the russian stall as 30400 systems. And so theres a huge need as well of ukrainians to maintain a situational awareness, to make sure that theyre not here for me, things by accident, because that can happen, and what goes up must come down. And i think thats one of the, the lessons, the obvious lessons from this particular a tragedy in poland. And thats an interesting points to me because russia did actually say today that tuesday strikes on the residential areas of cave. Well, actually ukraine anti aircraft missiles again, misfiring. And do you think there was any truth in that where they, leaping on todays misfire, to excuse all the other missiles strikes from yesterday . I think lori yourself, in a really critical point, which is the sort of counter claims the claims of miss attribution. Russians of course, pos. Moss is a message message, repeating things on purpose. And its interesting with the boston, poland. Theres almost a sense that the Russian Foreign<\/a> minister is trying to print, portray this is a ukraine false flag operation to draw the poles in, i guess, jordan a so and so i think once we have to take these things very skeptically in terms of how the russians frame whats happening . That information was that messaging conflict. This is a part of the conflicts unfolding and parallel to the media issues of the destination and actually causing loss of life how the war is framed by science. And indeed, the media space is a really important point because this is probably one of the most coveted conflicts ever. Technology is moved on, so we see a loss for multiple angles, use a footage and everything else. Really important aspects. I think that thats important. Alexander, how close you know, following the state media media in russia. How is this incident being covered that i think its kind of, they were very quick to make the point that it was a credit miss. Ill even before the official statements from nature and so forth. But i know that they blame you. I mean that the doing all the points and over the change in rhetoric for all the new shows on. So that was russian miss, ill figuring article for getting out of 5, you know, making it really the case and then saying when its done out to be ukrainian is all the way says like, nothing, nothing to say here. Lets move on. Its a rough hold. Anyway, even if you can, is it . So for them its because its a, its a big program to we know theres no question about it. You know, for internal consumption. I dont think it makes a difference and internationally because the nature of support free credit will not be affected by incidence like letters such as this, but the mystical, yes, it is. A big interaction probably mentioned before that the u. S. As mounts is going to open a Permanent Military<\/a> base in poland. Thats to boost native defenses in those countries that a bordering ukraine is. Its enough to get that Permanent Base<\/a> in poland to defend for, to deflect an instance like this happening again. Well no, i dont think it has any direct impact on ro, this is the not is showing reinforcement psychologically as much as anything else to affected nato countries. Based might be rower in terms of helping to maintain equipment, minute grid. But its really basically what one has to be very careful on both sides as it really comes down to another point, which is at what point as long as start working on whats called war termination. At what point i had ukraine demonstrated that russia will not prevail. And at one point, well, mr. Brewton via was a claim. And he is validated what he called her as elementary objectives in. He has special motor operation, which relates to essential a russian speaking part of, of ukraine including a crimea. The important thing now is for wise people to start thinking about how are you trying to bring it to a halt in ways that will meets a minimal objective about size. And the answer is no. Par can be found and in document already this is called, missed to i meant to explain more. Oh miss true, said in fact, i wish it green between russia and ukraine with the germans of friendship. And we were not enrolled. That there should be some form of limited autonomy for the areas in south 1000, southeastern ukraine that are now under combat. And under contention, they reside crimea. Neither ukraine or russia followed through agreement. But at least there has been discussions of what could like, i can outcome in ultimately what, what youre going to have to have is the cranium having sovereignty over everything. But that the people in these areas, having a chance to live in which they can use directional language. And so, so what were russian soldiers after get out . Are good crane cow. We are already in pre negotiations, negotiations. You can hear what the average pay says, what soleski said, even some things that are being said with the russian side of one of the questions, just how much damage will continue to be done in the ukraine during this sweater. How much damage to the grid . Sense supply, eat and why that sarah, or before serious negotiated, where they get on is these attacks against the grid arent client in par, or a potent to establish a more preferential and negotiating i stand. But were already in predict oceans ok. Somewhere. Whats your response says the big picture for a moment, the end of the war. How does it come about is meant to the way to go. I mean, it suggests that ukraine must be open to negotiations. Robert saying pre negotiations are already happening of ukraine strenuously denies that, as it is not in a place where it is ready to open any kind of talks with the russians. What is the ukrainian possession him . Very quickly on, on minsk to so i worked in the o. S. C e Monitoring Mission<\/a> in support of mens to you in the 1st russian invasion, 201415 and, you know, i had a ringside seat to how thou unfolded. I was in ukraine actually in east ukraine and on bass when the bolts of was, was taken by the separatist just at the same time over and others in the agreement was being negotiated. Ukrainian negotiators back in february 2015. They had their backs against the walls, i had to really make concessions at negotiating table because the bolts was taken, marable was threatened, yada yada, yada, so and so forth. And the difference now we werent apart from that slightly. Is the ukrainians built, they have the winds in their sales militarily. Its a very different war, so much bigger war. And my, my sort of conclusion, like i wrote the book, to explore some of the reasons and ways in which you could actually bring, bring this to an end in a longer term. Sadly, i dont think the misc formula is going to work now too much blood has been shed. Sadly, i think some form of de facto, if not, does your a politician may actually be on the outcome and, and just follow point on this laura. The analogy you actually draw is, believe it or not cyprus, conflicts and a division which i think is escaped many peoples active memories. But there are some diplomatic fudges around what isnt, isnt sovereign territory, and how you deal with a failed in a partially successful invasion. Taking some territory and what the rest of it was. So i think a long way away from this though, i still think pre negotiations perhaps, but the ukrainian going to want to explore the battle field, the fullest extent of that the occupation potentially if i can ask you like alex, out of just in the last minute we have a rough says view on meant to whether or not it would accept limited autonomy in areas such as crimea. And dont boss. Is there a way for me is never included crimea. So premier was always left all to from the agents. I mean, its a to, is that because, well thats what rossi is invaded because its, its so decided that it was never going to be implemented. And it was never going to be committed because it will simply invoke the term popular in ukraine to be implemented. Any president trying to implement it, actually implement really implemented, wouldve been a 16 stiff political resistance within your grade. Yes, so they have the phone line and its just, it will and not anywhere near as well for negotiations. But the question is whether on the line the front line will be where the negotiation to it should have thought probably in the years will be a couple of years time. I think thats what were always always about. You know the facts on the grounds where the, the dividing line will, will, will be i got a from that does have to be our final line. Many thanks. Indeed for joining us. Alexander, take off some inquiry and Robert Hunter<\/a> and thank you to for watching. You can see the program again any time by visiting our website thats out there at dot com. And for further discussion tickets will Facebook Page<\/a> thats facebook dot com slash ha inside story. Even as a join the conversation on twitter, we are ass ha, inside story from me laura kyle and the whole team here ah. From sports champion to bed bound or salt ones investigates how the nfl escaped paying billions of dollars to former players who suffered devastating brain damage playing americas most popular sport. 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