A surge and migraines from mexico. Maybe 9000 people have crossed into the us and just 24 hours. Mexico on the us of agreed that my guns will be deported for their home countries. The city of our paso and they have so many resources and we have come to. But we look at a breaking point right now. Corresponding to audio castro is in the go past with mold. And when they get finally to this point, were at the river separating here the us from mexico on the other side. This is the final barrier. And thats why people are taking these risks to bring their families this far. Now youre seeing is just successfully weighted across the water. Theyre now slowly making their way along the shore. And if you see this small child with a pink blanket, a baby of just minds up front says it will end its ministry presence initiated by the end of the year. The french president , him on your micro also announced hes recording the french on behalf of the gentle leaders in the capital in the army. Welcome to move, calling it a step towards sovereignty. Thousands of people have been protesting outside the french miniature base in the army for weeks. I mean, he says its making provisions for tens of thousands of people who may flee and theyre going to turn it back on to the latest round of fighting more than a 1000 ethnic. Armenians have crossed over so far from the enclave and as a vice on heavy rain and a high tide. Some Tropical Storm ophelia have flooded coastal communities and pots of the us east coast. A storm, a land full on saturday. With near Hurricane Force winds, the National Weather service is one move flooding could be caused by swells from another storm thats building in the atlantic. Thousands of people are still without power. So those were the headlines. The news continue is youre not just the are off the top to watch 0 station pennsylvania. And what happens in new york has implications all around the world to make these stories resonate requires talking to everyday people from me or the city. And ill send is doing away with the 1st few that was supposed to get everybody off the street. Its International Perspective with the human touch mean way in and then pulling back out again. The fine change phase un headquarters this week, World Leaders a gathering in new york for the 78 un general assembly. Among them is the Prime Minister mock router is leading his countrys delegation for the last time of the 13 years in power the netherlands longest. Subbing Prime Minister is leaving office for the dispute about immigration. The lead to the collapse of his Coalition Come on this edition of toll to alger 0 will be examining roots. His political and diplomatic legacy is known to be a resilient operator with a nickname, test. Long, long, the Prime Minister, the netherlands mock route to talks about is the most route to the Prime Minister of the kingdom within edmunds. Thank you for talking to out to 0. Thank you for having you have the 2nd longest serving leader in the European Union that youll the longest ever Prime Minister in your country. Then thats what it is. Youve done for different coalition governments. Youve got the nickname, i believe, test longmont because youve managed to survive for so long. This time that youve decided not to try and form another coalition government, youre going to send down why. Ive now done this for 13 years and the government was not able to continue in july because we have some difficult political issues around migration. And then of course, i have to make up my mind what i wanted to run again for a fist durham. And i decided after certain, yes, it is also the time to do something else. No re, country of course, has a parliamentary system. But when you look at the parliamentary systems, you look at leaders like you installed the bug no way, 8 years in the u. K. Model, sacha 11, tiny black, 10, australia. John, how is 11 years old credit here in canada . 1070 the children johnson is i think the be you back home at 16 years, more of a cold and i think a lot of years ago its 16 years. Absolutely. Its a natural time for this and as you get tired of the job, all that they get taught of you. I think they get tired of me as i did not just get tired of the job, but i felt somehow and it is difficult to. Thats a gives you an intellectual explanation is also a bit of a got feel thats when the government have to step down and i was thinking thats weekends after the friday night when things went wrong. What can i do . And on a sunday morning, i must say their boss is sort of fixing the where i gave to the conclusion. Lets, lets stop and do something else. And then thats, it takes some time to extra november. Then you have to have a new government. So youre, youre still stuck with me for some time. Now, in the netherlands, you have a problem entry system. As we say, you will have a system which is built on coalitions. We as on like some other countries, you have a policy in the system, not the 1st post post system will ask you about that sort of system because it means that you rule with a company. Most definitely people who are your political bibles, how difficult is that sometimes to confide in people to work with people very closely and then moments like to that very publicly pronouncing you. Yes, but, but basically were here, we have done things like this and then those for over a 1000 years with the metals as a country and how to come to below sea level. So you always have to negotiate. We have to build a dikes or how to keep the country dry, have to keep dry feet. And if means a constant tradition of negotiations for listening, trying to get to compromises. So with this in, in our tradition, and this was a 4th party call relation. Uh, we have months of the conversations before we got there, the integrity of over 20 parties in government, a sorry, environment for it and government. But it, it, it works. And then once is one of the richest countries in the world, we are, we have to the most happy children in the world. Number one, we are a number 5 in terms of innovation. We have also rich countries in the world, so it is delivering the system is different. The collapse of your coalitions you just said was about the issue of migration. And i think about uniting a refugee families. I dont want to go into the details of what happened in the netherlands. Id want to talk about that big issue and this week because these woods migration migrants refugees asylum seekers. Theyve become the most talks woods and your pin politics. What do you do about this . This problem is moment ago when we are back in 2015, 5016, where we have a huge share in crisis. And we were holding the rotating presidency and 2016 were able to close the deal with turkey and greece as you were being union on how to basically handle and control the flow of shooting or different use coming into your desktop. Successful at the moment of your back, almost at the same numbers actually happened 20152016 i believe that is not sustainable. So you have to work on all fronts of the same time, particularly of course, risk countries in africa. How to make sure that they are able to keep the people there in a safe place of course and, and in, in conditions which are acceptable. But we also have to work on the board of European Union and within the European Union, we need to have a form off, lets say that we are helping each other and, and, and luckily were, were moving in the right direction. But also at the national level, you do need to do stuff and that is where we were not able to get to an agreement because this difficult issue is the one that is fueling the fall, right . Would you not agree . And there was a problem with the fall, right in europe and beyond europe is also the issue. I think most people would say it was a major factor in the u. K, leaving the your opinions. And there was more the, lets say, the migration coming out of bowden. So the, the internal european migration and the fee moved from the people within the e u, which was a big factor story. I think in 2016 when you k voted yes to leave your opinion, you know that things still think that its very unfortunate and has not helped you but also has not healthy. Okay. Um but okay, that is not the case. And in the you itself, when we do not provide the water, if people will bring descent. So if the politicians are not support, finding the right policies to deal with the issue was then people might move to the more the parts of the french. And i think, and those, my ambition was my parts, and that was the main central high level of party data to be those parties which provides the policies in a decent way to deal with these big issues. People look to make a distinction between the politically prosecuted who can come in and the economic migrants, but its really not that clear cottage. There are lots, there are places in the world, but life is just unbelievable. Right . Yes. But thats kind of the reason for us to then host your thats impossible. So we have to being very clear and make sure to, to only taking a migrant references. Were really are fleeing from war for persecution, but persecution because they are gay or whatever to teach. And this, that they are fresh recruited in their own country. And we cannot accept people who are clearly only coming based on economic grounds. I understand what they are doing, but you do, you do the same with news you want to. I think i will try the same, but at the same time i would understand that others will try to keep me from doing that. And again, that is not good for africa, for example, because you were many young, tentative people leaving africa. It is not good for the you because we are not able to take in all these references. Thats impossible. Let me give you one example of kind of stone. What would you say to a family from ive kind of stone who wanted to come to the netherlands just because they are having a miserable life. And thats going to sign in the reason that having a miserable life in pots. Yeah, its down to the policies of nato countries like the netherlands, but shape the last 20 years. And thats kind of stuff. Well, 1st of all, of course, it is one of my big creek rich deputy of not being able over the last 20 years to stabilize. Ive gotten some, despite the enormous efforts, the nato, and many natural parkers in total 50 countries have been involved in the kind of some efforts to create some stability in this country and some Economic Prosperity we had at one stage, 5000000 children and women children young girls in education who were not allowed to into education before. So we made progress, but we have not been able to to maintain that. And if somebody tries to get to the electronic dentist and of course its all based on a case by case basis, whether you are eligible for to become on those items secrets and lots of to meet with the sides. In the end of this, a system which will decide whether you come from a country or a system or a background or a particular situation, which makes it possible for you to become a refugee. You will come to you is one of the founding members of the European Union. The bending locks belgian netherlands is not true bug with that as the Building Block that started old in the war and the average of 600 within the you use the pretty firm on your values which are free trade liberal values. And youre very frugal with ease spending. We know thats your position as you now cd you off to 13 years, going to those e you summits with as you lead us. Whats wrong with the what most needs were full. I think we have to speed up to a Decision Making process. But for personally i really made the journey when i started searching years ago for me to use 1st of all, money, the currency. And the enter the market being a rather cents level politician free markets that for, for me the crucial part of to you having moved to the stages in the classroom years, i came to the conclusion that the issue was also about safety. Not in a sense like nature was providing the defense side of safety and the protection. But the effect that you are not alone in an, in stable world. The netherlands being a very pulse prescription, but also a small country that youre in venice as other countries in strong structure. So it is, it is a, this markets but also a collective security and the nature was providing the same. And thats really one of to uh, developing some, my thinking over the years, having more moved to the center of to you than i was when i started to end this job. But the structure is do they need changing . I mean, every country has a commission, which means you have this cumbersome cabinet. Yeah, 7 commissioners. There are 27 real jobs. Know that that is a problem. There are many of you adjustment not 27. 00, an extra you votes and large for order. You would have some countries in the rest, some ball control unto joining. Of course we have to be bates about moto and ukraine, whole bunch of joining somebody in the future as sort of making steps to get it was from germany, almost. We started to process with a court group of companies in the you are discussing, how can we improve the internal workings of people being uni and particularly because we know that in the not too distant future people have enlargements. And then we have to make sure that so thats were ready. Now. You all the 2nd longest serving leader in the you, the longest serving is victor old bob . Yes, of hungry. In 2021. When hungry was introducing a law which was seen as an t l g b t. You said hungry has no business being in the European Union anymore. Does hungry share the core values of the you do think, well, im afraid not whole which and for me, the l g b t r a q a plus rights are key. A value which we hold dear are key for me because the issue is not, is also a community of values. The nato natal is also a organization sions, based on shared values of democracy with of law. The equality of men and women that it doesnt matter from where you come. Whats your face is that your welcome to join and our societies, if youre there on legal basis and adult states in particular of us, thats algebra, john q a plus developing to hungry. I really was challenging what was happening. Let me ask you about another country that for. Ready nearly a quarter of the century, as i said, it was going to join the you as a candle, the country took the yes. Present. Other one said this week here in new york, if needed, we will part ways with the you. Do you think turkey it has a place in the you or do you think thats why were here . This is about the process and we have to be very precise. Infinity into a 1000 for the easily side is collectively and unanimously to open the accession negotiations for steer key. Obviously this is a very difficult process because on many issues we still differ. Wister kia and its almost a Development Inter key. You have not gone in the right direction for them now to join you. But at the same time, i think we have to follow the process. If youre able to make the necessary for, im sure we can make next steps. But as after to kia to do that, we all know what is necessary. I do not for cedric here to join the you in the foreseeable future of maybe never. And therefore, it is also important that you have this new structure of to you being a political community. One of the ideas, amount of, of my call came over to you liked is yes its, its, yeah, its, its, its basically the is your plus, the are countries being part of the, your being realm . Im ok now and then. Okay. Also joining accept of course restaurant and that our boost, but all the other countries are part of this structure and tricky is a very valuable member of nato. And my bilateral relations at home are strong deduction to fi relations are strong and important to me. But on the question succession to you, we cannot negotiate on the fundamentals. And there i think we are still a long way off. Then your time is your pin, nita, your pin the, the one thing has changed in the political discourse. They used to be traditional Media Television like this radio, newspapers, we will the gatekeepers of information to the public desk. Now anyone can publish in a thing. Are you worried about the real world effects . It says no, because my view on this issue, 1st of all, that social media only have an impact when it reaches the mass media. So when guys like you, and ill just see or cnn are not reporting what is happening on the social media, theres not reaching the mass people in our countries. And you, as a responsible journalist will always make sure that there is steps journalistic i to making sure that the reporting of the social media has some sense. And secondly, i see some of my colleagues really being bothered by what is happening on social media. And i tell them, do your job, do not the whole day. Try to find out whats on social media. People are thinking of or about you were saying about who it is not thats relevant. Relevance is that you do your job with the best of your intentions. With through the best of your knowledge and then to be very much open to the media, to reports on that, and to be questions. And, of course, also scrutinized. Lets turn now to the war and ukraine. Youll be one of the staunchest supporters of ukraine and presents lensky. You, one of the 1st countries to offer f sixteens to ukraine. The worry that as time goes on, you crane war is not always the top of the headlines anymore. And increasingly, maybe some of your partners will start to reduce the financial, a military contributions. There is no risk. And at the same time, im not too worried because what i sense when i speak was people in the netherlands or was my colleagues seem to work in the us, but also has many colleagues in africa, asia, and less than america. People mc just understands. This is not only about to ukraine. Yes. First of all is about the requirement. This is the russian regression where guns too. Great. But this is also about 2 other things. Values that you do not insights. Another country. And that is about collective security defects dept rush. I will not stop this. You cant show from my country, for example, the melons, our safety. Our defense is directly impacted by what is happening in ukraine. And people understand that when you became Prime Minister in 2010, russia was still part of the g h. It seems a very long time ago. If i could ask you to recall that, what were your thoughts about putin then im going to use think about him now and a, it has completely changed to us in a sense. Ive never really trusted the guy, but at the same time we were doing business with him beca