Possibility of war crime. John kerry says he is making progress in trying to broker a ceasefire. Violence has intensified. They are sifting through rubble again in ukraine. Two ukrainian fighter jets were shot down. Allegedly biprorussian rebels. There is still investigation of flight 17. The plane cockpit sliced open. These russian separatists would not be doing what theyre doing without the support of president putin and the russians. The government is observing a national day of mourning. What to do with tens of thousands of undocumented children. Id like to act. Weve got a humanitarian crisis on the poured and it has to be dealt with. They could pass Immigration Reform in two minutes and its done. Professional sports, superstar tony dungee if he were still coaching he would not have drafted michael sam. We begin with attempts to reach full ceasefire in middle east that seems to be going incorporate. Hamas rejected the idea, the israelis are considering expanding their operation to destroy all of hamass underground tunnels. Nonetheless, secretary kerry remained hopeful that a truce is possible. I can tell you in the last 24 hours made some progress in moving towards that goal. The cost to both sides are mounting. More than 700 palestinians have been killed. Thousands more have been injured in gaza where 120,000 people have reportedly become refugees in their own land. Israel took a big hit when a hamas rocket made its way through the iron dome Defense System and landed in the airport on tuesday, leading more than 30 airlines to stop flying to tel aviv, a big blow to israels already strained economy. And the death toll for Israeli Soldiers reached 32. The top United Nations official condemned both hamas and israel saying they had both likely committed war crimes. U. N. Secretarygeneral ban kimoon called the situation impossible. Every hour at least one child has been killed during last two days. For more lets go to gaza and al jazeera correspondent Nick Schifrin. Nick, good to see you. Hamas leader haled mashal says no more ceasefire until the blockade is lifted. And israel wants the situation to continue until the hamas tunnels are destroyed. Does not believe that a permanent ceasefire is possible at least with the kind of violence thats happening now simply because a permanent ceasefire takes days to negotiate, will be complicated and no one wants to see the level of killed and injured to be increased. What is interesting is it is timed to a notion by israeli officials that thats how long they need in order to finish job, quote unquote, in order to destroy all these tunnels that fighters in gaza use to sneak into israel. So that is what u. S. Officials are working on sometime before the weekend, some kind of pause, a humanitarian ceasefire for 123 four dot five days. Antonio it is the larger issues to only actually create some real sense of peace here thats longer for example than the last peace that existed which was only about a year and a half ago since the last conflict here. Right, and in that context if a ceasefire, temporary or permanent, manages to get through and be arranged, one of the questions is, you know, in the aftermath of those ceasefires in the past, what is to stop hamas to break that ceasefire once the ink has dried and the rest of us have stopped paying attention . Yeah, well that is actually exactly what people here are saying, that why should hamas agree to any kind of ceasefire when really nothing kept israel from not changing the borders. Not opening some of the siege. Those are the two things that hamas has been expecting that the palestinians in gaza has been hoping for in the last year and a half and israel has promised to some extent. What is happening behind the scenes is secretary of state john kerry, officials from turkey and officials from qatar and officials from egypt are trying to convince hamas that yes this will be different, we will hold israel to promises, what is happening at the rafah border crossing, a two hour drive or so a lifting of the siege and ability to move materials and people across the israelgaza border. None of that israel has agreed to right now so israel needs to move toward that agreement or consider those things that hamas is asking, if hamas is expected to agree to this ceasefire and Everyone Needs to convince hamas that the promises that were made last time will actually be kept this time. So many issues and in the meantime, people keep dying. Al jazeera correspondent Nick Schifrin thank you. Joining us from doha, qatar, is are osama qatan. Secretary of state john kerry is on the ground trying to get an israeli ceasefire. He, we will not agree to a ceasefire and then negotiate, we reject that. He wants israel to stop military action on gaza and an end to the blockades that have been imposed by israel on gaza. With the amount of suffering the Palestinian People have endured why not stop the fighting first and then figure out how things can be improved . Thank you for this question because i believe secretary kerry understands more than anyone else that the israelis will not apply any conditions and they will do nothing if they felt that no one is making any pressure on them. Look, what they have done, in the peace process. They undermine the peace process. They destroy the twostate solution and regardless to all the efforts which was done by john kerry, they destroyed completely and there is no are chances now for the peace on the base of twostate solution. This is what we are saying. We need to have a complete agreement on all the points. We cant just accept that the israelis have the right to bomb the Palestinian People, to kill and murder them, and then they can go without any kind of payment. Because of that, brother haid michael suggest that secretary kerry can visit, see how the situation on the ground is part of the war against gaza. If you want to make any further war against gaza, you have to make a complete end for war and for the bombing and the siege on gaza and all of the military actions from the israeli side and this will create stability if it happened like this. But in the meantime, hundreds of people are dying, thousands are being injured. Secretary kerry said the u. S. Was prepared to address the reconstruction of gaza and the political demands of the palestinians who live there but he says the ceasefire needs to be concluded first. Now hamas has a military disagreement with fatah. Does he represent israeli position in this process . First i have to say, the people being murdered they are our families, fathers, brothers, mothers, sisters, women and children. Nobody has to say palestinians are being killed because we know what it means, the murder of our own people. Yk when he says he is ready to apply the palestinian needs it is good but we need guarantees. There was no guarantees till now. He doesnt give any guarantees when he met today president Mahmoud Abbas he didnt give any guarantees. We insist now all the palestinians are insisting to have a lift of the siege an gaza, to stop the Israeli Attack on gaza, to have garnlts that both the guarantees that both the siege will be lift and no further fire. Part of the palestinian mechanisms for making a decision but the political decision is made through the leadership of the plo, the temporarily the leadership of the plo formed after the reconciliation and this leadership is supposed to be part of the negotiations. And now we have talked to the president on the basis of the palestinian agreement and he agrees on that. And i think he presented that to secretary kerry and we are hoping to hear a positive answer from kerry and he can also have a positive answer from the israeli side. I want to play for you the words of a Palestinian Woman that got very upset. Egypt, saudi arabia they are all abandoning us. What do you say to her . In past conflicts you are getting far less support from arab leaders. Well, her words are clear. She didnt ask hamas to support because hamas is supporting here on the ground. She didnt talk about hamas because she knows what hamas is doing for her and her own people and for the palestinians in gaza. How hasms are protect how hamas is protecting and trying to protect the Palestinian People. She was asking for who they did nothing for them. She was to protect the palestinians. I cant say nothing, i can say just only i support what she is saying. We need, we need to deal with what is happening, on a new base. Not only the needs of israel. We have to have an answer, as palestinians, what about our needs . Our security . Our life, our protect . Those are the big our protection, those are the Big Questions that are supposed ton answer. Not just the safety of israel, israel is violating every disagreement. Israel is threatening the palestinian life. If the ceasefire and the lift of the siege can be the first step to make an end of the occupation that will be a good step. But of course the israelis will say the problems will be the rockets that go into israel and hasnt stopped. Unemployment. More than a third of the people there live in poverty. This war is tremendously expensive. Hamas has obviously spent a lot of money on rockets and on building those tunnels. Materials that could have gone into helping schools and helping people. Many have suggested that hamas has gone to war on purpose to hide its own failings in governing gaza. There is an important image must be seen. The schools which is destroyed, hamas, most of them, the mosque which has destroyed hamas built most of them. The houses most of them were rebuilt by hamas after the 2008 war against gaza. So this part of what hamas is it. There is only a concentration on how we are trying to protect our own people. Why there is no big question, about the israelis using their weapons against the palestinians, using their rockets to destroy the palestinian life, killing women and children. We will ask that question. What is the real story, what is the real story of the three settlers who disappeared and then found killed . No one knows who did that. I think netanyahu created that, he faked that what hitler done in the second world war. He created and faked the story that he invaded he said that the three boys that are killed, that the three teenagers that are killed that that was a fake story . Well, no one claimed any responsibility of the palestinians, netanyahu gave no evidence that the palestinians were behind that. He said they were severed and killed, and i challenged him that one palestinian was behind that. So the story is an israeli story. We are not buying this story. This story has been created just to invade gaza and to destroy the life of the Palestinian People. The big question is supposed to be what about making an end for the occupation, why not ending this occupation . Instead of asking the palestinians why they are resisting, go to the end point, go directly to the big question, why there is no end for the occupation. Although we have hundreds of resolutions by the United Nations. Its terribly sad to see how much civilian suffering there is and all these deaths. Sr. Spokesman for hamas, thank us. Thank you. Ambassador alon pinkus was the Foreign Policy advisory for former ehud barak. Ambassador good to have you back on the show. Secretary of state john kerry as you know is there working on a humanitarian ceasefire but hamas has already rejected that. Israeli leaders have said they will not stop until all of hamass tunnels into israel are found and destroyed. Are these talks going anywhere . Good to be with you again antonio. Ceasefire negotiations are by definition lengthy processes especially when those who took upon themselves to mediate and to bring the two sides into some understandings or a set of principles those both america and u. S. And egypt, do not i repeat do not antonio do not necessarily have a vested interest in an immediate ceasefire. I know this is somewhat heretic to say, but both egypt and gordon and even the Palestinian Authority have an interest of seeing hamas defeated militarily in a resounding and unequivocal way. So this ceasefire talks may continue for a week or ten days. There will not be any immediate results. If thats case were seeing terrible suffering in gaza among civilians. The United Nations high commissioner for human rights on wednesday condemned hamass actions but also corn demed israel saying this on 25th of july shells hit the al axa hospital in dier el bala killing at least three people and wounding dozens of others including doctors. These are just a few instances where there seems to be a strong possibility that International Humanitarian law has been violated in a manner that could amount to war crimes. Now, Prime Minister netanyahu called those crimes a travesty, nearly 700 dead, thousands injured in gaza again most of them civilians, arent hamas actions disproportionate and causing undue suffering . The fact that israels military actions are causing suffering is beyond doubt. 75 of civilians dead or injured is an indisputable fact, but it is a fact. It is also a fact that hamas is launching rockets deliberately from within population centers, from within balconies from schools two of which belong to the u. N. By the way, the u. N. Rwa organization, and hamas is in fact, antonio, using civilians and children as human shields. Israel, i think, has been, in terms of the proportionality of the response, given over 1700 rockets, 1,700 rockets have been lobbed into israel from a very short distance. From across the hudson river to new york city, or given distance and the number of rockets, israels action has been measured. That said and established, yes, we concede that there has been tremendous and horrible suffering in gaza. And yes, we admit that albeit, although we are trying all our best, israel is trying all its best to prevent civilian casualties, to prevent that horrible term called collateral damage, a tear, terrible term, even with all the efforts and attempts to avoid that, there has been civilians tragedies insnricted on the palestine inflicted on the mlbians. There is no question about that. I can only imagine what its like to have rockets shot at you from a short distance. But reports from the Israel Defense forces say that israel has had more than 3,000 air strikes in gaza in the two weeks of conflict. As you said these are very small areas, we are talking about an area about half the size of new york city getting more than 200 bombs dropped on it every day. Thats correct. The numbers are correct. Again, im sorry to sound sort of laboratory or simulation game when human life is not only endangered but human life is taken. But these are precise munitions. Munitions. There is a tremendous effort being done, not to hit civilian neighborhoods, not to hit civilian gatherings or concentrations of civilians. I doubt by the way, i doubt, that if the u. S. Or britain or germany, not to mention russia, were hit by over 1700 rockets in their major cities, i doubt that their response, those countries that i mentioned and many more, i doubt that their response would have been as measured and as restrained as israels is. The conflict is also starting to strain israels economy. Finance minister have said the first ten days of the conflict have caused israel 585 million. Tourism is a big part of the israel economy. The faa banning flights into tel aviv for if second straight day, ive been in jerusalem and see how the tourist areas become ghost towns and hamas is claiming this as a victory. The fact that the israeli economy is taking a price paying a price, the toll exacted on israel is significant. All hamas have achieved is selfinflicted tragedy and torment on their own people. You know if hamas wants to call it a victory thats fine. I look at the history of hamas, and what it has done for the Palestinian People, i look at the various spokespeople speak egg from fancy ritzy ditsy hotels in qatar, this shouldnt happen. The Palestinian People deserve better than hamas, they instrumental do. Ambassador, thank you. Thank you toinlt. Now from some other stories from around the world. we begin in nigeria where two bombings believed to have been carried out by boko haram killed at least 41 on wednesday, and the death toll is expected to rise. The Suicide Attack may have targeted a popular cleric who was about to lead prayer services. And targeted mohamedu bohari. Neither was killed. Next we go to iraq Whose Parliament is struggling to form a new unity government. A government with broader support is urgently needed to fight the advance of Islamic State militants. Late tuesday night an Islamic State contingent attack killed over 30 people. And that followed another attack killing 27 people. A taiwan ease plane was trying to land during a thunderstorm on the tail end of typhoon matmo. According to taiwan civic aeronautics administration, the weather was bad enough that the pilot attempted to land two previous times, and that set two buildings on the ground afire. The American Ambassador to the osce joinlsce joins us on te investigation into the downed mh 17. Why the house and senate are at arms with our social media producer, Hermela Aregawi is tracking the top stories. Whats trending hermella . Aids workers and activists are mourning their colleagues. Mh 17 is getting a lot of attention online ill tell you more coming up. And while youre watching let us know what you think. Join the conversation on twitter ajconsiderthis. 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