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ALJAZAM News July 21, 2014

Plus, a farmer fights back. Why one nigerian is risking her life to put food on the table. We start with breaking news from gaza where israeli tanks have shelled the hospital killing at least four people there. Its the Third Hospital that israel has attacked since it began the latest assault on gaza two weeks ago. The total number of palestinians killed in the territory is now at 532, more than 3,000 have been wounded. Joining any now on the phone is the executive director of the alwatha hospital which was destroyed on thursday in israeli shelling. First of all, from the medical sources that you have perhaps been speaking with at al aqsa hospital, can you tell us what happened there today . Well, what is happening right now, which i just heard and i was informed that an order came from the israeli army to evacuate the hospital, which was at the al aqsa hospital, and theyre asking them to evacuate it as they have done again and again. I dont know why the israeli are targeting hospitals whereas they know internationally that are forbidden and not allowed to such a hospital bringing life to people. Right now theres five dead in the hospital, 50 wounded. They have targeted the longterm treatment section of the hospital and the Management Section of the hospital. There is no way to understand why the israelis are targeting this, and nobody in the whole world is trying to understand the bombardment. As i talk to you i hear a heavy artillery from a warship or from the israeli side coming very close to us. About a kilometer or two kilometers away from us. This is just missing the children, the women living in fear in gaza and we have no shelters. We have no place to hide. No place for the children or for the women, and they thought that the hospital is safe. Right now israelis are being inumain acting like an animal. They have targeting everybody and every home in gaza city. From your understanding from people at the hospital, have they now evacuated this hospital, or they continuing to try and treat some of the wounded from the latest attack . They are still continue to look for bodies. They continue to treat the endangered ones. They are not evacuating the hospital, but the word came out from the israelis that theyre asking to evacuate as they have done at the other hospital after destroying it piece by piece, brick by brick just to terrorize the people, and the people here in gaza i hear in the streets and the mothers and the fathers and the sons of the people who died in the hospital, they will continue to fight even if they all died, they will continue to fight. So they get their freedom or their rights to live freely in the 21st century. When i spoke to israeli officials, theyre adamant they only target military sites. Can you say that there was there any indication of your hospital or this one having been used by armed factions in any way . Not at all. Not at all. I am walking in the street and i go to injured and destroyed places. I dont see fighters. I only see children, women, men laying on the streets cut in half, bleeding, their head is blown off. Are these the threat to the israelis where we have handicap people unconscious sleeping in beds . No. The israelis are saying that it can be protected. It is clear right now who are the aggressor and who are the terrorizing in area, and they must leave gaza now before tomorrow because more casualties are both sides. We need to stop this internationally and locally. Give us an idea. I understand youre a doctor. Who controls and runs hospitals like this one . Is it a private organization, or is it affiliated with any political or military faction . Are doctors in control of the hospitals . The doctors and management are in full control of the hospital, as i was in full control of my hospital. There are no people coming in and control the hospital. This hospital is to treat people who are ill and suffering from this fight. We have no control over anybody. The only control we have over is our hospital, and were in full control of it. It includes the management, and we have the full control. There is no outside factions that is managing or controlling the hospital. We are here, and gaza is very small. Everybody knows each other. We know everybody in gaza. These are families and women connected to each other. So gaza is pretty small. Were not talking about the united states. Were not talking about europe, a huge country. Gaza is only 360 square meters, so everybody is connected. Everybody knows each other, so we are all one family, one person, and they need to protect themselves by whatever mean z aas israeli have the right to defend themselves, we have the right to defend ourselves even if we are the occupying, were not the occupier. You mentioned that the medical staff have not evacuated al aqsa hospital. Are they not concerned they may be targeted again if they already got some kind of message from the israelis to evacuate this hospital . The feeling of responsibility that they have in their heart as a human to protect and give life to the patients overwhelms them. They need to treat the wounded. People who are in our profession, they dont think of themselves. They think of others and how to help them out. What do attacks like this, your hospital has been attacked, al aqsa has been attacked and theres a Third Hospital. What is this doing to gazas medical capabilities . Its capability and infrastructure to deal with wounded and injured people . It limits our capabilities. Cuts supplies of medications off to the patient. People live in misery so they can [ inaudible ]. We will continue to fight until we get at least the freedom of not being occupied from the sea and the air and the land. They will continue to do that. Thank you very much. Thank you for shedding your knowledge of whats going on at the al aqsa hospital and showing that with us. Lets go to our correspondent Stephanie Dekker live in gaza. Stephanie, from my conversation there with a doctor, it seems there is a possibility that area could continue to be shelled. What are you hearing is going on there . Reporter well, weve heard that theres been another shelling in the last half an hour or so that landed close in the yard, so absolutely it is a concern that will still happen. The reality here is anything can happen at any time. People will tell you nowhere feels safe. We just came back from a u. N. Run school where hundreds were seeking shelter. One girl asked are we safe here . Is netanyahu going to attack the school . I said no, no. Dont worry. This is the panic people feel here even when they ran to a u. N. Run shelter. Theyre petrified theyll be a target. In 2008 and 2009 a u. N. School was attacked, so people dont feel safe anywhere. Now hospitals are being targeted. Patients who cant leave who are not independent, who are dependent on help, which shows you the psychological damage thats being done to people here who feel absolutely petrified wherever they are, even fe theyre supposed to be in a safe place. Stephanie, forgive me if this seems like an obvious question, but for the viewers not very familiar with the situation in gaza, when we talk about u. N. Installations, what sort of protection do they have in being a u. N. Installation . What mechanism is there set up, if any, to sort of guarantee that a u. N. School or installation should be a really safe area . Reporter let me just update. I just got a note from the producer who says that israel asked the al aqsa hospital to be evacuated now. Well see how that develops. Not even has been evacuated. They perhaps got another call, so its certainly something to monitor. If theyre asking them to be evacuated, they have an attention to strike it again. To get back to your question, the u. N. Installations here are well, the u. T. Tells israel where they are and gives them the coordinates and they shouldnt be touched. Thats the deal here. Under International Law that should be a safe haven for the schools. Of course, we had an incident when they found ground rockets in one of its schools, although one school wasnt used. That certainly doesnt help the case. Israel does say that militants here, hamas and Islamic Jihad use civilian installations to store their weapons to launch rockets from. In general, these places are civilian shelters at the moment, and it goes to show when you have people there who still dont feel safe, we spoke to the head yesterday robert turner, and he said theyre overstretched but rely on israel to hold true to protecting their installations. Otherwise, they cant do their work and they cant protect the people. Theyre already struggling to feed them and provide shelter and mattresses and blankets and clothes. The list goes on for a lot of children. Theres a lack of milk, diapers, theres a lack of electricity and water all over the gaza strip. Its a dire situation. Well see to see how it happened. Robert turner said if they didnt get help from the International Community, it would be difficult to provide for many seeking shelter here. Were going to let you just take a break for a second and gather things for us. Well probably come back to you in a minute. Lets go over, if we can, to the member of the executive committee of the palestine palestinian liberation organization. Joins me now live from ramallah. We have disturbing pictures out of al aqsa hospital. I mean, as i said, disturbing that civilians are wounded. This looks like a mess. A person like you, youre not a member with hamas and youre with the plo and have been engaged with israel in peace talks. Will this kind of military activity strengthen the commitment of palestinians to peace or encourage people to think about other options as a way of as they could see it getting their rights back . Well, israel is engaging in war crimes and state terrorism. It is targeting and killing civilians. It has destroyed the very foundations of any meaningful negotiation. Also it has done that earlier with the ongoing settlement activity, land theft and home demolitions and all these things have indicated that israel is not only not a peace partner but is a rouge state that exists outside the law. There is no way we can come to any Peace Agreement with such a country unless it abandons its terrorism, unless it abandons its policy of extermination and assault and attack and bombing and destruction and unless it abides by International Law. Otherwise, this is going to be a situation where israel insists on holding the people in captivity and killing and bombing them to smithereens. We have to take it to face judicial accountability in all the world courts that are supposed to try war criminals. This is one. I think what theyre doing is pooling all palestinians together. We are all palestinians, and this is pointing to the core issue. The ongoing Israeli Occupation and the ongoing israeli imp impunity. We cannot accept the situation to continue as is, and the people paying the price are innocent civilians, women and children killed by the hundreds. Its time that the world intervenes to end this. How confident are you that that is the direction that the world and International Diplomacy is heading, though . I think this is a real test for the meddle of the International Community not just from netanyahu buzz obama and john kerry talking about selfdefense and the palestinians using their own children as human shields are drawing fire like kerry said by using the civilians. These are entirely unacceptable. Talk about israel being under siege as if were occupying israel. We dont have the army and tanks and the bombers and apache gunships and so on. The israelis say that the palestinians use civilians as shields and move in and out of civilian installations and that endangers the lives. Do they bear any responsibility for the sort of, you know, civilian casualties were seeing there . Look, that kind of language is racist, and im amazed that they even dare make the statements. Not only do they target you and kill you, but they rob you of your humanity and most basic feelings towards your own children and family. This is racist and this is rationalization for their war crimes, and they must stop. Nobody uses children and families as shields. Gaza is the most densely populated area in the world, and israel knows if you thrown a stone you will hit a civilians let alone use your f16s and apache gunships and tanks and so on to shell and bomb. You dare tell the palestinians you have to leave your homes, entire areas and communities have to evacuate or we will shell you, and then when they leave their homes, they were shelled in the streets. If they dont leave their homes, the homes are bombs while theyre inside it and die under the rubble. This is incredible. There is no justification for this deliberate cruelty for these massacres. Thats why any rationalization, any public spin, any type of laying the blame on the victim again and again and again, dehumanizing the palestinians, i mean, this has the stuff its not a game of verbal virsuoity. This is human reality where real human flesh and blood is torn to pieces. This has to stop. The occupation has to end. The siege of gaza has to end. Israels impunity has to end. Well leave it there for now. Thank you so much. I believe were joined by mark, who is the spokesman for israels Prime Minister, benjamin netanyahu. Good to have you with us. Can you explain why was al aqsa hospital hit . I can tell you that since this operation has started, there have been numerous examples of the terrorists using hospitals, schools, other civilian infrastructure, even humanitarian infrastructure to conduct their activities for their command and control to shoot rockets into israel, and were always as surgical as we can. We cannot allow them to shoot at us with impunity. We dont target humanitarian infrastructure. We target terrorists trying to kill our people. Are you saying that this hospital, that you have information that this was being used for military means and purposes and that that was whats going on . I have no doubt that hamas using, has used and continues to use medical facilities including hospitals. With all due respect, im asking you specificing about al aqsa hospital. Are you telling me this hospital was a center for armed activity . Yes or no . Ill ask specifically military and gaet back to you straightaway with an answer. Im not aware with the particular situation, but if you allow me to finish the sentence we know specifically during the last round of fighting a year and a half ago that the senior hamas leadership in a bunker under a hospital in central gaza. Journalists in gaza today have reported and that is the situation today. Underneath the main hospital in gaza, hamas has established its main command and control. You have al jazeera cameras outside the hospitals. Why dont you go downstairs and have a look if theyll let you. You tell me the answer to my question was you dont know what was going on in this hospital, and yet, you are sure thats not what i said. Ill ask the question ill and the question a third time. Are you telling me this hospital, al aqsa hospital, which we have pictures of it being hit or at least pictures of civilians being wounded there, that this hospital was, in fact, some sort of palestinian factional operational theater . I answered the question. Im happy to do so. Theres a clear pattern of behavior that has been documented and recorded of hamas use im not asking about that. Im asking about this hospital, sir. I answered the question. Ill repeat my answer if you want me to, sir. I didnt get an answer. Why did you hit this hospital . Ill say it again. Im saying ill get you a specific answer. I repeat what i said. Ill get you a specific answer, but i know that hamas has you dont know at this point you look for an answer ill give you an answer as soon as i can. Sir, if you would have sent me the question before, i would be happy to tell you we dont target civilians. You interrupted me. The entire interview youve interrupted me five or six times. Do israelis get special treatment . Im giving you the treatment, sir, i would give to anybody to answer for an event of this magnitude playing out on the screen, sir. Surely hamas has to answer, because you didnt dispute what i said what i said hamas uses civilian infrastructure including hospitals for its war machine. You didnt dispute that. You left the professor say that hamas does not use human shields and thats racism, she said. This is widely reported. Even the United Nations itself. You didnt interrupt her. The United Nations reported two days ago that hamas was storing missiles in one u. N. School and you didnt interrupt her when she said we dont use human shields. President abbas has condemned hamas for not accepting the ceasefire and for rejecting the egyptian proposed arab league deal. You didnt interrupt her. Do they get special treatment . I interpret interrupted and asked whether they bear responsibility. Coming back to what this interview should be about, which is not me but whats going on at the hospital, its not really about what we were reporting or what we are here to say. Its about what human rights organizations are saying. Let me quote you a report by Human Rights Watch july 16th, chsz israeli air attacks in gaza investigated by Human Rights Watch not al jazeera, and not sammie from al jazeera have been targeting apparent civilian structures and killing civilians in violation of the laws of war. Have they got it wrong as well . Are they asking the right questions . No, they are correct, but their interpretation is wrong. In a combat situation, you cannot target civilian infrastructure. If, however, civilian infrastructure is being used by the war machine of the other side, it becomes a legal target. If theres a bridge, you cant target it. If the other side it moves forces across the bridge, according to International Law that then becomes a target. If hamas is storing rockets in civilian areas and shooting them at you will, we can surgically take out those rockets. What is the alternative . To allow them to shoot at us with impunity . Im very glad. You seem to be heading in the direction to give us some clarification. Would you apply that to a hospital . If israeli forgss think theres military activity in a hospital, are you telling me under International Law you have right, as you put it, to surgically hit a hospital . Please just a yes or no very clear answer to that one. Ill give you a very clear answer. I said in the whole previous round with gaza we knew that hamas leadership was under the hospital, and we never hit the hospital. Thats the truth because we wont intentionally hit civilians. You can say its a weakness, because we refuse to hit that sort of target. Therefor

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