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BBC Radio 5 Live BBC Radio 5 Live November 4, 2019 090000

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That are in fact because one line closed on the southbound side as well on the m 11 northbound between junction a junction 9 from Walden because of an act of the road partially blocked as causing long delays queues of about 8 miles that will be a full look at the travel just after 9 take to the back life support you don't have to lease clear position in the Champions League. Form a save Chelsea against i.x. And we'll have the latest from Liverpool being gang and on Wednesday the Red Star Belgrade hosts say it is your call station and this is 5 law I give orders as far as not on a clock so interesting Sean Farrington a breakdown of company policies the workplace relationship rules yes and sort of depending whether you're looking at massive American multinationals like McDonalds talking about this morning quite work. Well multinational American multinationals would I be right in saying that to the extent that they. I would give the impression that they have policies a lot to talk about but maybe not you know executing them throughout their business whether you agree with them or not they put their money where their mouths are the one thing McDonald's is definitely doing today is implementing a policy it's says its board looked into what happened with Stevie's to group Easterbrook the chief executive of McDonald's found that behave as having a relationship with their subordinates company policy is that relationship is not allowed and so they've looked into and the chief executive who's been very successful for McDonald's many say in turn the business around doubled the share price he's gone and he says yes it was a mistake. And we look at other big American businesses intel they have a non fraternization policy is what they call it there and the boss or Intel Brian chronic Cheney was the one who had a consensual relationship there was against company rules last year boss of Intel at he went that was something that happened in the past they found they found out about it a board level looked into it and said I'm sorry you broke the rules non-management person yes you're right so it's a subordinate again so there's difficult if you're the c.e.o. There's nobody who's not subordinate No and it was it's a blanket ban for you quite so elect really fall in love with somebody go and work for another buck a change without people get in touch this morning saying you know a relationship started between between man and other person and actually what I've noticed on a lot of the messages we've got it's been a woman in the relationship who's ended up leaving the business one way or another for a relationship to continue of I've been going to look at some major employer some M.P.'s married their secretaries as well so that's a that's a fact that's the case as well so Rico Yeah and you look at I mean big employers the n.h.s. Tesco b.b.c. All of these and all got slightly different approaches to all of this so the n.h.s. Should not enter into any significant social relationship. With anyone with whom they are in a line management or supervisory relationship so that's a couple of trusts of ordinates so so that he's effectively subordinates and if you are in a relationship you must declare if you're in a significant social relationship with any work colleagues to declare it to align money just so any relationships declare a couple of nurses must declare yes right and that is similar to the b.b.c. Relationships within the chain of line management where one individual has a significant influence over decisions it's recognize that personal relationships can and do develop in this situation they're not prohibited but they need to be flagged up and then dealt with generally with somebody moving tames is the way it works the b.b.c. Tesco what's interesting is you have to you know pretty much our biggest corporate private sector employer. If we fail to manage conflicts properly they may harm our reputation and in the worst cases may result in fraud discrimination or of the serious issues so when a conflict of interest arises identify that's what they say because of the risk to the business and and actually that a cas sort of intermediary group how to resolve issues in the workplace they say they had one report the record companies had lost on average 65000 pounds a year in a year dealing with the fallout of office romances because they can turn sour they can lead to serious situations sexual harassment dismissal claims so big companies and employers you know when love goes wrong I've loads of people. Who have relationships with each other he says pointing to the New Jersey Office different teams obviously all over the place lived my life to know she read the news on the Radio one show supposed if we declared the rules would be different but if we had declared it she would have they would have made sure she did not read news into my show. Or maybe they would have everybody doubting going to never exist as a controlled situation everybody happy with it is the people at risk that that is what you see in a lot you know that there are many different talk about how policies are. His mark in helping to follow Mark I Nicky how he didn't find this is great on the b.b.c. Website this whole issue is so interesting remiss in Skipton come to remarries wanting to mend Swindon. You lost your job as a result of a right relationship. It was quite a protracted. Over 12 months I did a relationship with a member of. My subordinate if you like well not relationship. The task of managing the person became more and more awkward. Because the person didn't accept. Even though we will know in a relationship any longer. The work situation has not changed I was still manager she was still. Quite derogatory and. She. Complained basically the complaint was that I was bullying and harassed and as you can imagine that went through a procedure. A complete they were just deciding to. Take the case over 12 months. I was put in a situation where I lost my job not only did I lose my job I lost my career because the company that I was employed by made sure. The Basically because of where I live I wouldn't work in the industry again Ok without going into knots of it was directly a company policy. Actually that was the point I was going to make no that was. The point of the. Couple of days weeks of the relationship I contacted my boss and said to him this is a situation what is the policy and he said we go I have a policy I'm glad you. Basically if you know what goes on outside of work is your business. As long as it doesn't affect your ability to do your job or anybody else's billeted. Now that was great but obviously as I said the Alton child on the point I want to make secondly you know from the 5 big companies obviously this morning on the baby say I get in a lot free of free advertising it's not about. The policy about the people that they employ It's about the reputation of the company not to make just completely crap you know this guy is doing the job. Doesn't matter what his job is what I mean if exactly he must be good at it because he's a chief executive and maybe he can continue with professionalism with how old was it when it was at its height with you in the office they would obviously terrible it was terrible because the. The conflict developed because of. The relationship post you know if somebody was asked to do something to take that individual I'm talking about was just completely inflammatory all the time. The attitude was you're asking me today this all of this is happening to me because of what happened between those 2 from the spec Yes. These things need to be manage both for a comic to. People having a relationship if people choose to have a relationship carry on that relationship outside of that place as absolutely no bearing on who they were plenty agree with. I think. I think it's very difficult because relationships does sell the workplace is very very difficult for people to climb and I lost chakra and invariably end up the. Subject of office gosh if you end up if things do go wrong that people talk you know he's go ahead from this you've got them you know and people take sides to tell they're in charge you've got a manager of one whole thing one of those team members is in a relationship with a manager if that relationship carries on people are going to see a potential favoritism if you don't break down they're not chain with us. Then other people you know this is a manager Darryl team members you're going 5 college 10 chair the reasons and there's always you know there's his or even have a reason and somewhere in the middle even if it's the truth in terms of why the relationship broke down and quite apart from anything else what your colleagues said show and I think it was saying that this McDonald's c.e.o. Has now said that the relationship was a mistake has the relationship ended had the relationship ended before he was sacked and if not all the other subjects of that relationship because to feel being told the inner being can being described by a person with whom she was in a consensual relationship was a mistake. No doubt. Thing good colleagues ladies and gentlemen of the press will be digging into this one a little bit for good or ill and I'm sure we have not yet had the last of it but you make a really really good point clad that it was an economic impact of the language it. Cliquey can I make the point I appreciate the ladies in the studio or on the phone has an opinion and she doesn't title to that I don't want to sound condescending or sexist but throw this into the mix if it was to you people of the same gender in a relationship. What would happen if you know if the guy from Donald was in a relationship with a No the mom with the same situation of the written because then McDonald's are in conflict around a potentially being in pain it is being homophobic. It's a relationship it's not sexual. So relationship policy without relationship with everybody we work with. Calling your little successful company yes they go to I now regret my relationships between people. You're talking about romantic relationships you're talking about you know talking about your freedom from going out. With your friends in the Friday night talking about having a tall and with whom you are a consensual sexual relationship ramón relationship emotional that I ship that's entirely different from with from a scenario where you have a bunch of lads around and that the content is homophobic because you don't know if it's a relationship breakdown there are guys reasons for that often on both sides on the right I can share why they present down both of you to different people within those organizations and the same people and so when the relationship breakdown that divides not only the couple and not only their roles within the company everybody here is associated with a couple of well Tim you've managed people in a situation I'll believe him and Swindon remarkably initialed as well good morning to enjoy a good morning. I managed much in Memphis and decided to get together. And it's interesting because some of the technicians the been brought out here by saying you know that my father worked 20 years ago just Asian. And you can get some perspective look at the impact on the thing members. All used to have a very cohesive close knit. Montu think that was getting together but it was undermined the lives of trust within the table that mirrored so this behavior moved they represented still the point of doing home association we don't know what having a conversation with The Times is one of the other. Employees around in company but I think if. There is an existing president within the business where a senior member of the same works with his wife in the business as well as hard to feel a little. But I can just say the impact of the one of the people within the business is you know the gossip is wrong people started to become aware of the relationship it's. Just that provide the link move now within the business around. Too much and as a member of my take kind of have to concept back now I'm sharing all the information I was never enough to have with one of those members. Are calling to fill the mall I was not even jumping on the phone is off the interest of the dynamic changes completely in. How develop people feel about it. In the workplace who unrelated involve witnessing all very uncomfortable. Both in relationships when they decide to get together so you've got the whole issue you know an individual views around kind of infidelity and what have you. Yeah it is a bit of a great plan to be spoken to them yet. Individually and together have a very open conversation about longevity impact what happens if you. Have a conversation with them when I was made aware became aware if I said look you know my view is if it's a relationship provided to say that I thought it was absolutely fine but as soon as we impact on the table then we need to have a conversation. And that condom is creeping back in so it's it's a it's a dry even on the team in terms of well you know what sort of mood is going to come into work today because you can all know that's the thing exactly yeah yeah it's all going so I'm saying. Yes. You know look Ok well I'm not going to give you one company challenge because because they need that thing 1st. So if this is not on us my concern if you fell in love or some I'm sure you know this this would not be the case but if you and I were a c.e.o. And we fell in love with somebody mutual situation mutual ation ship both single would you feel you had to resign. You know most of you are on one floor that was on a 40 knots progression relationship and that would be a conscious decision on the side. You're tough guy you know what love is. Open that. Yes it would be yeah absolutely Reema to you. Everything that. I met my pocket actually I want and it will be a free case. And I gave it a friend. Day out night out and then it was a date and then from that few weeks from when we saw yes we need to tell somebody. Who was my 2nd scene at the my leader's mom as he spoke to his management and told them and very very privately I didn't say to anyone but he said but seeing a need to tell someone so he told his C.D.'s and he questioned if he could have either. Change all those big the other things was if I could go to the side instead of at sides of us like before the security and it was very in the sun being all understanding why yes let's do it but they did not mind working together as long as the a professional. And I think that's a comfort if you look at each other talk to each other and have the professional. Find when things get messy things get messy basically when you have a little flirtatious kind of thing going on which is obvious and natural but should what you do involves a lot of different shifts on the right and. In fact sometimes a similar ship read altogether to work just past the security and we went different ways in fact if I was late he would not come and rescue me there was nothing like that it was like I had to do my thing my way. I did not tell my friends decided they were going to move in together months down the line and then in between God and from when I seeing him there were loads of people on my side of the all he said this to me and I was like yeah and I understand but I would not tell anyone I'm dating this test and because that would be something wrong would you tell him what people were saying. I wouldn't tell him either because. You can. He's here because I'm working with him right after the current has. Moved to. My left much of the moved from National Trust Now both of. The professional I'm out took with him doing the work and be a very professional totally different people at home. But here we have a professional even subbing my son out to National Trust property that will be me and my son coming and he's in the shop. On his live a project you know I'm just playing devil's advocate so when you were on when you were on the floor selling the famous crush in the Reeve goes yes I was there's not much office interaction is there a shot just a different layout I've always done to get these all the offices so sometimes I have to go and he's the only one in the office so big load the monitor I see on Sundays the only off guy in the office and I had to go and ask him could I have some testing so I had to get him to sign something and I will not even look at him because I knew you'd have to look at someone you know fun thing and that time because this. New. Taken all about and you want to have a little. Very professional and in fact speak to him like any other Lama said because I knew this is my bread and butter because I was just a sales advisor and he was my leader. I didn't want to ruin my reputation my job and I take it quite religiously my job will be even now I don't include Bill self-control you have we all know what it's like to be in love in the cold as a bachelor and you did amazing in your look. But you had to have the poker face what do you believe there was a song called All song and I don't remember the name. Of. But every time I came up I literally had pickles and I'm thinking oh my God this is all so long but I will be looking for him on the side of my eye but I would not have my contact with him because I know 1st thing good thing was Heathrow is full of cameras I have to make sure though it's not going to be called Can it because no one has thought I want to make sure I put this fear inside me that look I'll be seen by someone on a small professional see that I had. A yes to me. That hates me for this. Professional that vehicle and he's like most of the. He's actually just going out in the rain to pick some better than I do I'm looking for him. Because I would tell him that I get one but when I needed a No he did tell me that look I don't want to bother you but you can actually get really I'm dying to know someone and. I was reading so no. I'm not going to music at all I just love listening to it but down the line in this setting you really got modded and we had people all from National Trust So I mean we had only 30 people in the wedding book of all that we as professionals here but we were crazy on our wedding so that's another thing depends on which you all from you have to make sure it's a casual place the time because you're all but a phase somewhere you have to be very professional should be. Work life balance you have to have some work is work and lost his life thank you very much all the best text me when you know the name of the sandwich. To promo they are going to post and if your husband comes across him. Put him on the radio. Trouble because he's already I think you're not going to Miss Raymond thank you. A lovely speaking to let's take it back to McDonald's George you what in McDonald's tell us more morning I make a good morning. To McDonald's in London when the. Chief exec of McDonald's you can. Then he was a brilliantly fantastic job you know a bit frightening to be honest you know you have to be scary but also just ver

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