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Dot co dot U.K. Or join us for the phone in an hour's time one of 808-590-9693 1st the President Trump has announced on Twitter that meetings between himself the president of Afghanistan and Taliban leaders at Camp David have been cancelled in a series of tweets Mr Trump said he decided to stop the talks after the Taliban admitted that they were behind an attack in Kabul that killed an American soul. John Bowden is a breaking news reporter at The Hill John appreciate you talking to us with Will did anybody know about these tools we've seen the president and the Taliban out of the quite controversial tools Yeah they were and for that reason that there was really no whisperings in Washington ahead of this weekend that any talks in the country were occurring was reporters in Washington of now and so far the extent of the next to go see a show and so far have largely occurred overseas between U.S. Negotiators and the Taliban in their political office in Doha. Imagine that it raised a few eyebrows How was the news that they were being invited to Camp David you know iconic place with these talks who because of the peace talks between the Israelis and the Palestinians several Symes on those several regimes for example how is that news gone down in America well of mostly just shock so far it's it's been just even not even a few hours since the news has broke and we we haven't seen any major towns they become the nation's role in the end. Because I mostly because I think people are scrambling to decide how to respond to this one on one hand there's a lot of energy in the U.S. To see hostilities in Afghanistan and especially after 18 years. On on the other hand there is this growing sense in the U.S. That President from his if not friendly with. Questionable factions overseas in some cases especially in the past one of come to think such North Korea and Russia. There's business sense that the president has questionable judgment as to which. Frankly just which people and which leaders the U.S. And his administration negotiates with. So I mean and I was going to have just. The implication of inviting them to the U.S. And to Camp David where the president has received foreign diplomats in the past is really a it's just it's a it's a breach not a breach but a break from any sense of. Normalcy as what we've had so far it is an admission is it know that even Washington recognizes there can be no peace in Afghanistan without the Taliban as anathema that might seem to people with memories of planes going into the World Trade Center on the 9th of September 2001. It is it really is a shift of a major shift in U.S. Foreign policy from especially the early 2000 but even the early 2000 tents the result of a big big drive in the U.S. For a very long time to see the Taliban completely chased out of Afghanistan and to see them 2 decades after the war began as not not just still a major player in the region but as the main negotiating figures on the other side of this conflict is really striking for a lot of people who expected the U.S. To have more success against the militant group. Or those about the American soldier was killed and the Taliban that claiming responsibility for the attack that killed the soldier Kabul. We don't have a lot of information yet about the service member who was killed yet I don't believe the. The identity of the service member has been released yet but what we know about the attack was that what it was heard on Monday in the cattle Afghanistan capital near a checkpoint at a NATO headquarters and the U.S. Embassy. Killed 11 civilians and one service member which was the 16 deaths of U.S. Service members this year in the country. And. Until. About I think it was a day and a half after the attack the Taliban the Taliban spokesperson took credit for the attack during an interview with The Associated Press. And will these any sense to the negotiations between Washington and the Taliban will resume at some point I presume even if not in Camp David there will be some kind of come to continuity from these 2. Yeah it's well we said we think that the talks the likely continue brought up in the political office and elsewhere in Qatar also it's interesting because this meeting actually before well we didn't really know anything before it was cancelled but had not been cancelled this would have represented a major step forward in negotiations between us and the Taliban said sole reason that it would be a far as far as I know the 1st time that a senior member of the Taliban has negotiated directly with a member of the Afghan government which up until now the Taliban has been loathe to engage engage with in any way they view of county government as a puppet of the US and has so far only really focused their negotiating on U.S. Diplomats and Pakistani diplomats in the area John many thanks. Thank you for having me John Bowden the breaking news reporter at The Hill the senior cabinet minister Amber Rudd has resigned as work in pensions secretary and quit the Conservative Party to boot she made the announcement on Twitter saying she no longer believes leaving the E.U. With the deal was the government's main objective a decision deals a further blow to the prime minister Boris Johnson who's defeated on his brakes he plans in Parliament this week Jonathan Blake is our political correspondent and I asked him to tell me what Ms Rudd had said in her resignation letter she said that it was a matter of great regret and that resigning was a difficult decision for her but she also made clear that she does not believe that it is the government's priority to leave the European Union with a deal as Boris Johnson has said it is she said that she sees a good deal of time effort and energy going into preparing for leaving the E.U. Without a deal but that is not in her eyes matched by the negotiations and the talks with the E.U. Aimed at reaching a new deal so she's clearly come to the view that she can't continue in good conscience in government Downing Street are of course pointing out tonight that everyone who signed up to serve as in government with Boris Johnson as prime minister agreed to the strategy of leaving the E.U. On October 31st come what may and that they say has not changed Amber Rudd's B. Clearly has changed and she's taken the decision tonight that she cannot continue to serve in government and she's gone further because she's also resigned the party will effectively resigned as a member of volume of the conservatives yes she'll join her colleagues on the in the naughty corner if you like as it's known in the House of Commons now considerable numbers of Can former Conservative M.P.'s who have either taken the decision to leave of their own volition or were thrown out of the party earlier this week for voting in. Against the government and that's a significant decision for a Cabinet minister to not only resign from their post on what is clearly a matter of policy in principle but also to resign the party whip and as you say go one step further so it's a double blow if you like to Boris Johnson's or Thora see as prime minister but the sense you get from Downing Street tonight is that they are attempting to shrug this off a senior government source saying that resignations in pursuit of headlines won't change the fact that people want bricks it done so the government can deliver on the domestic priorities people care about that's going to be some shrugged because after the week he brought Johnson the prime minister and his government where does this further blow job if you like leave the government well in numerical terms Boris Johnson is is one M.P. Further short of a majority in parliament now 23 shy of a working majority and as we've seen in the last few days the opposition parties labor the S.N.P. Lib Dems and others if they stick together with against a major minority government they can wield considerable power and can constrain Boris Johnson or at least attempt but whether it will change Downing Street strategy it's all I doubt that very much and will probably perhaps even embolden them to continue with their aim of leaving the E.U. At the end of October with or without a deal that remains the aim that remains the stated policy the practicalities of how that's going to be achieved we just aren't clear at the moment because parliament is due to be suspended at the end of business on Monday Boris Johnson wants the law that's gone through parliament gets royal assent and we expect that by Monday will be legally bound to ask for an extension to the BRICS it process if he can't get a new deal by mid October he wants an election so do the opposition parties but they're just not willing to allow. Him to cool and before no deal breaks it has been ruled out so the dynamic is still there it hasn't changed it's undoubtedly a blow for Boris Johnson it's undoubtedly an echoing member Rudd's concerns are an echoing of those shared by others in government and we will have to see whether others follow the indications are that this is not going to be the start of a domino effect triggering multiple resignations because the likely contenders if you were those who feel the same and a cut from a similar conservative cloth to Amber Rudd Nicky Morgan the Culture Secretary Hank alk health secretary former remain supporting capita colleagues of Amber Rhodes who you might expect if anyone was going to follow her WOULD DO have said tonight that they do not intend to resign so for now it may well be that the crisis has been contained but it's at the end of a very very difficult week for Boris Johnson It will not be the news that he wanted Jonathan like there the Sun on Sunday his political editor David Wooding joined me earlier and I asked him to tell me when he heard about the Rudd resignation just those leaving the office actually very to go over the dinner and the then the news came through that the road had tendered her resignation a quick phone call to check it out and yes it was true. Got hold of a copy of her letter and. Yeah big big blow for Boris Johnson It comes only 48 hours after is own brother Joe the university's minister. Quit. And again let's not forget is only been in the job for about 5 and a bit weeks as per his prime minister and he has expelled $21.00 rebels including 2 forward chancellors. Cabin next Cabinet ministers Churchill's grandson cynical so and now he's lost his work and pensions secretary who of course when he got the job. Just those few weeks ago back in July. She promised him that he she would back him on no deal but as she said in her letter she thought that no deal was. A good reason to have on the table so that he could. Act exquisite better deal out of the European Union this was all of course voted down last week but she now believes that this is not the case and that he really that the intention is to go for no deal and of course the resignation of $21.00. 1 Nation conservatives all highly respected people as is just increase the the the reason the fears and the anxiety that parents say she had over that is one thing for a Cabinet minister to resign it's another thing for them to surrender the conservative with essentially resigned from the part see as well and one universe there is an even more damaging for Prime Minister Johnson Yes because what it does is it reduces his I've got to say as majority he did no longer has a majority he has a minority government and it's it's withering away by the day those 21 M.P.'s who have left and now and then now his brother has gone and he's standing down and Amber Rhodes saying she's going to fight as an independent conservative away from her Hastings constituency Hastings in RAW I was she has a tiny minority a tiny majority of about 300 and some things vote but she's. She's leaving the Conservative Party yes a big blow there are fears among the remain a elements and under the. As well that that is being left as a tiny sort of sect of people with them. Not the broad church it was shall we say just becoming a mini prayer not another Breck's a party obsessed with getting this Breck's it delivered of course. The other the other people on the other side will say well at least Boris Johnson is trying to get this Breck's it deal over the line and to keep his promise of delivering direct by October the 31st but it just shows the great forces and the power of people who are opposing that which to reason may try to wrestle against and failed miserably and now Doris Jones has been there a short while trying to get this over the line and he's showing a lot of determination and leadership to do that but as we say the forces against him now getting bigger they get by the day diverting of the Sun on Sunday after months of negotiations Russia and Ukraine have finally completed a prisoner exchange involving 70 detainees those reading to $24.00 Ukrainian sailors captured of Crimea last year and controversially a person of interest over the downing of flights M.H. 17 which killed $298.00 people the Ukrainian president volatile Mia there's an end . More than 30 former prisoners adhere very poor and said that their release was a 1st step towards ending the war in eastern Ukraine we have down to Connection telephone connection between 2 presidents and we have that and if your. Step. We have to do all the steps to finish these horrible war I think anything that helps them well and dish as learned is a Russia Ukraine and Eastern European expert he's also an author his latest book is Russia's crony capitalism and just how significant a strain is this for both countries. Well it is quite as significant Russia and Ukraine never has several exchanges all prisoners are wars and political replace the learns but lost the one however was at the end of December 2017 so it's almost or to me as clearly Russians are just wait did it for a new. President in Ukraine and they didn't really want to take any steps and the next step that we're waiting for now is a meeting in Bristol called Normandy group that is where trauma surgery many Russia and Ukraine back there are sure to take place there will be an amount or so and descend Selenski are called interested and to put the end. Of to reach changed today and discussed of these matters so clearly unprecedented Lensky once something to happen and President Putin seems relatively open to start a new dialogue of a new president in Ukraine are you bear me share this into the US around or salute is going to Vajra And I think yes that's right OK Now there's been a 5 year there's been a 5 year military conflict between Russia and Ukraine as you know and it all starts it didn't it with Russia an exciting Crimea. Indeed and it what has happened now in eastern Ukraine is better to ease some of the problems is all but a joke ran along and onions carrots been invited and it looks pretty much like World War One trenches wherever troops are lying 10150 meters away from one in our own shooting from time to time 13000 people have been killed in this time of year warning eastern Ukraine according to the United Nations seen 1000 but we barely hear about it anymore. Because you have a round Ukrainian soldier being killed there Everett 0 day it is there not a mass killing as we hear from that coupled. With a lot of people being killed at a time but it's one off to be our But this exchange of prisoners will it go any way into reducing the numbers of combatants killed reducing the tension between the 2 countries in the conflict you think it's a step in the right direction at least in that direction. Both presidents their land and assembled in advance mentioned in their opposition less statements after the full court and back then they had a Cold War cease fire to be in it and maintain it's not being down clearly it's Russia that is there a dial a thing as he's fire back showed Kerry in in place and. 2015 and more again. The Ukrainians we heard a moment or 2 go what the Ukrainian president had to say when he met the release of prisoners at the airport in Kiev. So heard from Mr Zelinsky What about Lisa Putin President Putin as he said anything about the exchange. Yes and he put out a statement on his website today alter the tone oleander girl conduct and they're calling for a new meeting and an enormous group. Called for cease fire but you can say that it's been ordered protocol this is water address and sent but it's significant that that he does pay attention to. We have reports in the 7 C. Detainees were released $24.00 of them said Ukrainian sailors captured off the Crimea last year doing know. Who these release dates a days are defeat is something you know why them that there was several more armed combatants behind bars on their well being detained by each side why would these group this is a do they have anything in common for example. Yeah it was actually a better it's 1st of all it was 35 to 35 previously when they have a prison exchange and it has been more people and it has been what it all all of or all but over South would pull down all prisoners now it was that limited but Ukrainian prisoners are essentially 2 groups but $24.00 sailors as you mentioned who were rescued by the Russians on the 25th of November last year when they were on as Ukraine and the warships and Leander 11th or if they were actually political prisoners trauma from Crimea not all but again not combatants they are political prisoners one of the people that are Russians want day and they're in to take a lead being that of. The man who's me think who says that the South is going to say things he says basically that having him. Been over it came in the shooting down of the Malaysian airliner in. July 2014 and by and large the Russian. Are you can say operatives the Russians published approach dog and and most of the chases were surely Nathalie's our. Intelligence agencies that are not supposed to look. But many of them were or are the Ukrainian state assemblies and operate under. On behalf of Russia for example a couple who were being arrested and I am guessing and that one convert sent to is accused of downing the Malaysian aircraft 17 in which 298 people died is a most controversial of these releases and I wonder why you crane bowed to Russian presidents of Russian pressure to release him given that I mean obviously the Malaysians are going to be happy about this and neither of the Dutch because most of those people that died in that plane crash when the plane was brought dow