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But this is a point not of 5 live on Dawson added 5 coming up in this hour of the program we'll open up the phone lines for our Monday morning U.S. Politics phone like you to join us and talk about leverage in the United States not just over this weekend but in Tede over the last week or 200-800-8590 extension 9693 is the number to call that's of 808-590-9693 you can text us on 85058 or e-mail up all night at B.B.C. Dot code or you don't doubt that tonight's conversation is going to be dominated by the mass shootings in the U.S. Over the weekend 1st the shooting in El Paso where 20 people were killed. A gunman is in custody and then the shooting in Dayton Ohio where 9 people were killed and the gunman in that case was shot by police. Will be getting reaction in a moment to happy with the United States have been. Talking about this and also we want to hear from you as well because the president made a statement a brief statement about the shootings and he's promised to make a full statement at around 3 pm outside I'm late today or if you're in the United States listening around 10 am your time lasered tomorrow but I'd like to hear thoughts from our listeners what should the president say. What should be part of the content of the conversation the issues of now turned into a political issue rather than just a social issue if you like or a criminal case. 808-590-9693 What should the president say let me introduce you to our guest for the conversation you know Mark Riley Well the broadcaster and political critic Mark good morning good morning Daryn how you know and I'm very well thanks very much we also got with us Basil Smikle Jr who's a distinguished nature of politics and public policy of the City University of New York School of labor been studies He's also a political strategist Basil Good morning good morning to you so bear with us was we 1st of all just get an update as to what's going on or what's been happening over the weekend as I said 9 people have been killed and at least $27.00 people injured in a mass shooting in Dayton Ohio the 2nd mass shooting in the U.S. In 24 hours in fact they came within 14 hours of each other police have confirmed that they killed the gunman at the scene in the shooting in Dayton within a minute of him opening fire well Kaitlyn Durbin is a reporter with the to Ludo blade Kaitlin thank you for joining us do we know more details as to what happened in this shooting. Well police are being kind of tight lipped on many of the details but we know that the shooter has been identified as 24 year old Connor Betts of Bel Brook Ohio which is a suburb about 20 minutes outside of downtown Dayton we know he went to the Oregon District Saturday night with a friend and his 22 year old sister Meghan Betts who was one of the 9 victims killed police haven't said when the group arrived but they did say the siblings separated once they got there and Maggie may not have known her brother had weapons in the car with them or what was what he was planning to do and police also haven't confirmed whether that's was targeting his sister when he opened fire on the street . So they know she was killed the friend that was with them was wounded but survived but as far as whether they were targeted date and police chief Richard B.-O. Called it a nagging question numbers I mean there they go the information. About the shooter and he says to from the one member of the party who survived we did ask you that but police haven't said what that French has confirmed what's the reaction generally in Davidson about this well it's obviously very somber here this community has been through so much and just a short period of time at the end of May there were 14 tornadoes that came through Dayton in this round of communities which caused a lot of damage and they've been rebuilding from that and now to have this mash shooting is just overwhelming but I've heard from one lifelong resident who says this will not break Dayton but rather unite them so it will be interesting to see how that plays out in the coming days and weeks. I'm asking you to literally guess this sort Somalis from what you know of dates and the people that you've spoken to what would they like the president to say when he makes a statement a full statement about this weekend's shootings. Around 10 o'clock your time tomorrow it is hard to say a lot of people are calling for better gun control as we see in the states here after every horrific mass shooting and even the president trying to day seem to suggest that something needs to be done in the way of better gun control what that will look like is still not clear but I know. There is a gun safety bill that has already passed in the house and is now waiting Senate approval that would strengthen background checks making a mandatory even for person to person sales so that's something a lot of officials here seem to be talking about Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown for example called for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to move that bill forward and for President Trump to sign it immediately Katyn thank you very much I really appreciate. You Kaitlyn Durbin those reporter with the 2 lewd blades it would you like to react and so I mean what you feel you the president should be saying it's an important speech statement he's got to make. Because these shootings coming on the back of each other have shocked America even though America's somewhat hard into these kind of things he's going to make a real sort of imports in the statement later on today what should he say what should that statement include and if you like why 808-590-9693 So back to our guest for this morning's US political conversation a broadcaster political critic Mark Riley is joined by Basil smart who Jr. First of all what do you feel the president should say in his statement later on today our time to more your time. Well I just I would love for him to acknowledge that much of rhetoric and political discourse. We that many in this country would describe to him has. If not in flames this anger it is certainly given. Many individuals and groups that harbor these negative feelings toward. People of color African-Americans Latinos immigrants these white nationalists. He is largely a lot of his rhetoric and behavior has largely given them. An opportunity to engage in this kind of behavior and have these conversations through social media with it with impunity. We would love for him to be able to acknowledge that we do have a cunt culture in this country. That is that is now. If we we can with we can no longer control. That number and individuals in the size of the shootings that this is a this is a we're at a critical moment here I'd like him to acknowledge that I don't think he will weigh with as much sincerity is ready as I as I would hope and as many would hope and I would also just say very quickly I do think we are somewhat annoyed to so I think we as Americans you know many would have woke up this morning and saw that there was a 2nd shooting and said My God there's a you know it happened again and then went on about their day and we may have another day of about this because the president will come out of it but I'm not sure that much will change that. So that's what you like the president to say I'm not sure he's going to say any of that. What you think you know what do you think he will say. Mike you might what I would I would guess just based on the number of the comments that were made today my guess is that he would but we'll chalk this up to mental illness. That there are many individuals in this country who are engaged in these mass shootings because in some way shape or form they're mentally ill of the problems that that certainly should give you more our weight to the bill that we just heard is that the House of Cards said it. We've talked endlessly about not just the enhanced background checks but in taking measures to see that no one has any history of mental risk and. Can buy a gun. And close a lot of these gun show loopholes. I think he will talk more about mental illness that rather than rhetoric the climate in this country right now. And it'll be interesting to see if that actually has an impact on whether the Senate passes this bill so I think you'll see I think you'll hear some of that rhetoric but again I don't I don't know that much will have to be. Right what would you like to see the president say. I would like to hear some form of contrition but I don't at this point I would bet my paycheck that's not going to happen the people who are both white nationalists and gun advocates make up a crucial part of Donald Trump's base and the bottom line is politically he can't really afford to go against him my guess is that he deflects this stuff as far away from him as is humanly possible he's not certainly going to take any responsibility for what's going on here and doesn't we've talked about this after previous mass shootings and the only thing we can be certain of is that unless the country X. And X. Decisively there are going to be more we said that after Sandy Hook You remember that I remember going on. Yet what we said then they're going to continue to happen as long as people with mental problems illnesses or whatever have access to guns and for whatever since the reasons people don't want to seem to try to mitigate. That fact the fact that people with mental illnesses do have access to goods and see there's another side to this and I think it's worth noting here. There are a lot of African-Americans who look at what happened particularly in El Paso right because in Dayton the guy was killed but they look at what happened in El Paso and then they look back certainly your York on black men being killed for having a wily or black man being killed for selling cigarettes and that sort of thing and they wonder how the guy in El Paso got arrested without a scratch he wasn't touched. You know I would have to check to just say that it's working about their part. If you want anyone who wants to know how. Well left in. The powers that be in Washington are to read substantially change occurred was just think back to the fact that a member of Congress to the Arizona Gabby Giffords shot. And nearly killed that they were is a man who shot who went to a Congressional Baseball game to these are members of Congress playing baseball Yes and he had a rifle and shot multiple members of Congress in the end in the end is clear in this parable it and Congress still did very little to nothing to change the gun laws so even when the lawmakers themselves are impacted directly expect colleagues are impacted directly there really isn't much more if the market got to write like that just because of these things over and over again you know all we do is have thoughts and prayers but no no action can we do with one aspect very quickly both of you mentioned mental illness. I wonder to what extent. An easy about using that stayed because on the one hand bezel your saying the president will use it as an excuse. Where is mugged you'll say definitively there are not people with mental illness there for gun control and I wonder whether we have to be very careful because most people as far as I know people with mental illness. In the main almost completely Most of us have suffered mental illness at some point in our life most of us if not if no otherwise than city where we suffer bereavement that is a form of mental illness that takes control of us. And yet we don't go killing people and I wonder whether we're doing. What we're adding to the stigma of mental illness right by suggesting I think we should be a little bit careful about that but it's also intriguing though because if the president's going to use it as an excuse then it's an excuse if your say Mark that mental illness is behind somebody walking into a Wal-Mart store and selecting to shoot if that's the case hasn't been confirmed but that's the theory people of color after apparently writing a 4 page manifesto about how he hates people of color miseducation are we saying the that is mental illness because if so anybody who might be described as a white supremacist or racist is actually just mentally ill and perhaps the best place for them even within your laws is not on death row but in a mental institution so how do you how do you square there Mark. Well I mean look out my thing is very simple I don't think a sane rational person goes out buys a gun and starts killing. Is very difficult for me to process that someone without any kind of illness would would go out and do that now that having been said when U.S. Troops beginning what do you think the president's going to say I thank you's going to bring on mental illness that doesn't necessarily mean that he is right or wrong about that or whether those any of these people have been diagnosed with a mental illness and certainly you don't want to make it sound as if anybody with a mental illness is a risk to pick up a gun to start shooting people that's not really the point. My daughter works with developmentally disabled young people they don't pick up guns but the bottom line is this president has to figure a way to deflect the look you know the blame that some people are going to put on him and to maintain his relationship with that part of the base that is either white nationalist white supremacist or 2nd Amendment advocates and you know the 2nd Amendment and basil as a historian knows the 2nd event is a very interesting thing if you go back and look at how it evolved because you know in England you don't have a 2nd Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms here the regional 2nd Amendment when they were crafting it was to create militias to chase runaway slaves that was what the 2nd Amendment was originally for they changed the language and they limited that part of it but at the very beginning at its root that's what it was for. It will come in I don't think market night before I don't know when organizing anything you know you know I don't think Mark and I say they think different I think what we're what we are saying and Mark you're so take it that the president will do anything in his power to cultivate that base that he has and not not. Create any wealth not go to a place where he would blame the laws for the lack of restriction of so the easiest and I and I say this grudgingly but the easiest to order of explanation that he can make without having to disrupt the oil the oil the following purpose bass is to blame it on mental illness yes there may be some people that should be institutionalized Osip get support that have the ability to buy guns but by and large you know there are there are places in this country many states the country where you can literally have a rifle strapped to your shoulder and walk into a restaurant if people don't know if you're coming in to shoot them up or if you're coming to just have a meal and that kind of that to me that's insanity so if you know he will do anything he can to not have to you while it's basic against them by taking action against laws of that nature and that's why he we're off we're already starting this conversation blaming this on Mental Illness OK we'll come back to this in just a moment what we can see in you this now with joining dog Cohen 808-085-9096 extension 9 threes our number we're asking the question that simple question What should the president say about the shootings this weekend when he made so foolish statement sometime in the next the 6 or 7 or 8 hours. Join in doggie would you say and I think he'll make even the simplest and easiest of excuses for a month point really doesn't have a charge expectation the gun sales will increase and people start to carry pockets. Struggles with if they go shopping or they go to the. Counter in a wet. It comes from a commentator last night when one of your sources it was obviously a military man and was felt guilty that he couldn't respond to the attack in the mall and I think. Idea had a pistol he would have fired he would have taken the shoot as it's called. And I think it's a tragic indictment of war America's be tending into Dodge City it's become a speaker in the Wild West and even the president Walt like John Wayne. I don't doubt it carry some cynics pocket Well let's leave that out because we don't know and have C.V.S. Walking out as well but interesting that you feel that the the consequence of these this weekend of shootings is that Americans will carry Saturday night specials as they used to call them small guns in their focus as well plastic to prevail so Athens so they can respond and the guy with the family has to protect themselves because the same amendment allows them to do it. You know this is an infringement on the riots and in the same Amendment the right to protect themselves so they carry more guns so the sales only increase on handguns I'm talking about something that can become sales sir isn't frighten the kids but it's in the pocket of the shoppers of the Dianas of people attending laws and I think you'll see an increase in the sales of handguns How about that Bezos Michael Gigi's joining Darby has a point there. That is my biggest fear honestly. And I and I I have no doubt that when when we hear about shootings like this all it does is encourage more and more people to get arms to arm themselves and I think. That that scares me nightly ready and I say that as someone I was when I was 12 years old I was shot by a kid who is 14 years old and when people say that well the answer to gun violence is for everybody to have so that you make it so that it's becomes a deterrent I always say well you know when that 14 year old shot me the answer to that was it for me to have a good also if to get the gun out of that truck and so we're talking about foot d