Hello again a long time been spoken for a while good to have you back always a pleasure we've so we got to referees we've got Don we've got we want one of these go to the phone well. Very well. You do the serious work out of. Well I just have to say 1st of all it's elements of the Monica but I moved the reason I couldn't coal was moved up a mountain so I'm now living like Allen from like that. Like state that now this is the crucial question when it comes late are you in Northlake top. Do you think she'll be asleep and wow. Busy huge difference because the riffraff are in the south let's just put it like that actually. I'm glad you have a new if. It's true Trust me when she's around because. That's actually the kind of place is the question in many ways because when I when I moved up here 'd obviously I got back into the rat race that you and then the 1st thing I discovered that it's cold out the. Window police and stuff and only things . That really would like to go skiing up there yeah yeah yeah it's a ski resort we go for high schools up here as well to talk us now the high schools are going up here they're in the California state but. They can't play in the spring because it's to snow you so they play in the in the in the Nevada or association so we're all part of the Nevada Association up here. And so we play it in the fall now the question of going to the States very interesting because I'm I'm refereeing but the schools are in California. The Nevada association and there is a difference in regulations between the 2 I mean one interesting thing is that as a referee in Nevada they have different concussion protocols and they do in California the regulations say. A player can come back on the field again. Kate but. Dr in California they cannot come back if they go off or caution but this this state regulations supersede the. Association regulations of the law because the basis the law of the land and so it's really interesting that your playing on the border between 2 states and you have different laws of the game or interpolations the regulations and then above that you have the laws of the country which are different in each right I'm just wondering if the regions you have this business where you play cross border you play in somebody else's country and as a result of that there are different regulations it is how they play to my life and my 1st question to enjoy to go 1st. Yeah I mean I can think of any any cross border things like this but I can't think of a couple of one is competitions that have Valar only in the last stages so in the group stages a limited audience is there's no v r no video ref and then suddenly crunch the edges happens and another another example that occurred to me there the rule change is that came into effect. In the middle of this year. They weren't coming into effect for competitions that were ongoing they came into effect for New competitions so when the Brazilian league National League kicks off tonight Drew it already kicked off with the new regulations with the goal kicks the rest of it but in the we're in mid week or a little girl is not and so on but there is that that was in applying such that musta been clearly difficult for the players to adjust to one law being in being in effect in one game and then playing 4 games lighter with different laws being in effect as well and I'm wondering what what the what. If for the video do you think the video thing is here to stay Allan and if so how do you think it's going to affect play behavior. Come on a couple points on that that. I'll come to the video in a 2nd but you're right about that that. Thing outside the 18 yard box because even here they the us. But there are major league soccer that just finished that didn't have that new rule because it was with the competition that was historically before the chip rule changes made and then also where I am high school doesn't have that rule either so depending on the competition sometimes allowed to go outside the book sometimes it isn't and there's a really big difference in the way the coaches are approaching that in the 2 different competitions so yes difficult for the players very difficult for the referee to understand what the hell are the rules that we're working with the vast side of it I think he's. Going to have a big difference as well. In the u.k. You're going through that that learning curve and I think. That for me personally as a referee I don't like a troll I like the concept that the referee's decision is final they might be right I might be wrong there but there is no actual truth there is only the decision on the failed. Whole idea just at Jonesville China. Got to Georgia Joe and give us your thoughts of that with the results of the us the it was a good one was saying that we're going through the curve where the pain of it but you know not so you benefit from our experiences we then John I think it's actually vice versa because m.l.s. Is by us a pretty progressive with the a r. And and had things going well before you know even the World Cup So you know I think that the growing pains that were sort of still experiencing it helped more successful launches perhaps in in the European leagues or launches with fewer questions or or concerns I was also going to bring up the I fab situation because I did a big story on referees during the Gold Cup. All based in the same place and it's almost a workout like a team every morning they do a training session they do different drills is really fascinating that's one of the things that one of the referees of people referee brought up to me he said you know I'm wrestling m.l.s. Games when I come to go cup and the I fabrications are in place then I go back to I'm less when they're not in place and then I go to a youth tournaments where they are in place and you really have to you know when you're refereeing you burn a whistle and your decision better be made up in your mind and he was having trouble keeping it straight and who could blame him so that was something I was going to bring up as well in terms of the question. Was whether you look dustbins that night timeout in. Simple question this is. No it's well it's actually lock them up in it's mold and not everybody in our neighborhood has a. Metal box outside the house and all the trash is we going to have a lot of issues you call it you know it has to be put away from what the beds we do have here and if you leave your trash outside they will come and want to come to your area they will probably come in the house as well right there you go everybody follows this stupid question mismatch in the pool what if you have a come across a bear. Yes. I have a where I am close to the lake and we go walking just behind us to kill dogs and we saw a mother. And a young bear you know walking there as well but that was during the summer. And I didn't know congregated was it wasn't an issue to be honest statistically the Bears will do a lot of damage if you leave food in your Colorado trash the car break the windows and so on but the danger to individuals I think is love I think it's more a case of a lot of damage to it in order to try to find a site where they she can go bananas. No well I didn't. I couldn't tell from their actions. So I took your track there is something else that you want to ask as well yeah I know that but I made that point about how the concession protocols are different and. I go a bit on the on the call before of talking about there's a us mothers have a change in the game but there's also been that survey in the u.k. About having footballs and so on and I actually had one pundit the other day said that within within our lifetimes we will get to a point where heading is illegal and the guy if I do 112 game I've been here and he had head is an indirect free kick any deliberate you know and so we're probably going to end up with this business of you know what is ahead you know he's a woman next to you that the armpit is it is it you know so or you know I don't. Overread. Did you know ready as you probably know and away from being a ref with of at interpret you know what is the chest and what is the shoulder what is an elbow and you know what is the split him as well so fun of the and we thank you added this a pleasure we've got Marwan with us who is of course a Brazilian should know the name holder on you Myron. Yeah. Well you're presenting . Your good or rather than of course. Ramsey is good Ramsey is if anybody is going to confuse it with the f. Word host and so on anyway yet this talk about football you know at the top of the league. Is a is a Scouser from Egypt or in Egypt since Council whichever way you want to look at it you've been top of the league now all season how you feeling how you feel confident I'm really happy and I'm really nervous I don't know and like shaft change really bad let's all change Alstrom of we need we really now team up with it so I'm really nervous I don't know what to feel I want to see the end of the season. I want to be a man. All in all you are happier than you are nervous I would yes yeah I'm I'm I'm really happy I'm enjoying it I'm really enjoying the team and I'm everything a games a chain the manager everything I'm enjoying and you've got a date with destiny against Crystal Palace this weekend. That should just be straight forward victory wouldn't be. Yeah we'll thank you in a sour and Roach and warm they. Will be a bit complicated. I think surely we'll get there when we'll kind it out anyway it's also questions you are of John old and of Tim. Ok I have 2 questions 1st of all a question about the very out of show which is which is it doesn't say Oh it's not either or which is it for you. It's funny I think. Most people have saved the save on yeah yeah. Sure as much. Frost as v.a. Arbor who knows. We've gone to his office I'm going out. On him so you might want to be yourself again your. Question is. There is time well give give us waste time so small the split 2nd that they take the issue No one else sides will go hand both just give them time chose to act on it even if it's 2nd the woman to show 2 weeks ago Arnold Palmer both think in the city getting a lot of. Questions have been asked about it so why don't buy the way. China leaves on Drano Jong no need to. Ever know. Me So why be they. Like integrate science in it and be full of the start of the time the lake they like the average reaction time in various cases of all places. Take place as I was born so if you can 1000 on it take Clyde 2 seconds to 2. Back to the wall so it's too long sun than this would be a penalty if it's was when a quick to react and had to react to it I think it would not be to make the traditions easier and. Quite a day I I don't know it sure but listen to the whole matter when you're saying we should look we should then start instead of looking at what the. Evidence is we should look at the reaction time of the player and that would define whether it was the play was guilty of him ball or dog isn't that just confusing that it's legal or do anybody who thinks it will clarify the situation Join Arnold. That sounds a bit I appreciate the creativity of the Sadia but I think it adds a few layers that maybe would complicate more than it would help so you'd give marijuana one for creativity but as. They're talking about for the legal right. To be that binary but you know that's right it's a yes. No Yes. Well I've always thought that one of the great things about football and one of the reasons for its extraordinary excess is its simplicity and the more you mess with it the young the more you lose so this sounds to me to be too complicated I am with an Alan Light of santa monica now of the north so I'd like to change it leave it with the referee with him you know let the referee decide. It surely must be clear to all concerned now that there is no utopia that this idea that was going to clear up everything in there was going to be no black or white and surely that's gone but that's gone but a white side now isn't it surely we realize that what we've opened up is another forum for for for complaint you know if this might mean that go on now just look at least give him a one for creativity Oh no he can eat can be can have many many for creativity but there is many if you like the creativity part but fall for for practical improvements. Not a point of me sorry about our own. Ok I. Understand its simplicity is. Simplicity like I think like. Yeah I was thinking simply sorts of keep interrupting our projects. Implicity like you know all the riches of King tootin comune which are coming back to London and. For us to view them for the last time ever we would like to see in the u.k. We. Don't I don't know I know that that has never stopped us before you know. But I know never mind the marbles What about the bending mosque you know you've taken that from us Nigerians is now does not have a being you have it didn't have it. It's all sorted then sorry Marilyn's we went off and it sounded they go ahead. Or saying that. Things are changing and terms of. What they say it's more of a day to tell age and it will be more in the coming decades chair people will look at zeros and ones and not the in-between so they will like to have a decision if it's white or black or white so. Get it closer to their people wanted more black and whites want it if it somehow embolden it will be. Like it was his House position is. I think. The visual the rules of the game will change to make the decisions more black and white in the future. Is the ink is black the pages why together we learn to read or write you know. The child is black the child is white the whole world looks upon the side what a beautiful side. Yeah the kid is black the pay is wide to get. To. John joint to finish it off now thank you. So we'll go from here Myron. I have a 2nd question for to quickly. What do you think about Joe's a very new take you know. And did he do you think positively leaving is a good choice or. A good decision. It is fair for him and what who will he do next and what will chose a do. It. Probably phrase potty train from a from a situation that maybe didn't have a good way out for him I'm convinced on from the other side of the Atlantic that at the heart of this is that that tight rope that professional football always walks between being culture and being business and it seems to me is if put it seen on one hand he was seen it as culture I want to win titles. The other side is the business and taught him about a business model which by the standards by the the middle insane standards of professional football is a low wage model how do you get out of that how do you move on to the next to the next phase because. If then you bring in big talent to take you up to the next level where they're going to you have to pay marquee right for them and that is going to put nose out of joint in the dressing room. It's so I couldn't see where Tottenham were going to go. Much progress with a model that suddenly doesn't doesn't work to get you up to the next level and that I think is a tension between Patino and Levy. I think it probably phrase him he still going to be in extraordinary demand this special for is capacity to work within the and develop young players so it's probably although it's an unfair thing to happen to him it may well be a good thing for him to in his career what more he is going to do I don't know what it worries me a little bit that this is what one thing that's not and did about 20 years ago or so was a point George Graham you know as a former Arsenal manager needs around that corner version controversy or that thing of like you really love what you haven't got you know any discipline that he's going to organize and we haven't been disciplined we have an organizer getting laid it didn't work it wasn't a fit so what what's more you're going to do and ease is a fantastic coach More us I've been watching on You Tube over the past few months some of the things he's been doing on English t.v. When he's been a pundit and you just see the way that his mind works and the ease just so organized in terms of the way that he sees the structure of the game and it's for phases you know having the ball. Not having the ball the transition between having a ball or not having it in the transition the other way around under the way that the clarity with which he sees got those concepts and the moment the game is won or lost is when possession of the ball changes hands and he's managed to put he's managed to. Instill his teams he is teams at their best with that those those those principles now he said he's going to he's going to have to work with what he's got without big money signings coming in and so easy easy is going to work with what he's got I love that quote which reminds me of my time. You know he says I'm not going to Mike and the old mistakes are going to make some new mistakes now I mean we were Tyson get out of prison. I'm not going to get conned by all the people who come before I'm going to get convoy new people young have lives a nice variation for that from that from from what are you there are always going to do you don't he doesn't seem to me to be a natural fit with the identity of a club but it's a it's a difficult situation because it seems to me that it would take some time to rebuild the scored to a level when there they can realistically fight for folk on a Champions League again it would seem to me that there's a transition period coming up which won't be easy easy to manage and I'm fascinated to see how do it lots and lots of questions around push it and Marina and they're aimed mostly you to him because people know that you're a spad but. One of the there are lots of theories around as you know not coming to one of the theories because I think you'll agree that nothing when it comes to this is black or white. Sense it's small space. Is c.b.c. Radio 5 with the b.b.c. 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