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This space b.b.c. Radio 5 Live on digital b.b.c. Sounds small speak up. A look at the weather forecasts and then showers over western Scotland and Wales over my otherwise vastly k. Has been quite dry still windy though a blustery day ahead with sunny spot as the best of the sunshine in the east of Scotland and England there will be some rain in Scotland and Wales and also spread across the east throughout the day highs of 5 degrees in Glasgow and 9 in London. I'm former Welsh international rugby player Jarvis Thomas this week for Sport Sport Relief website. Good morning on. The u.k. On digital and online I'm Raj sharp We're up all night. We all think we know what it is and yet genocides are very difficult trying to prove it wasn't until my 943 that a Polish Jew. Who was a lawyer coined the word and started to try to devise a legal definition it was passed as it lost every member of his family except this rather. Thanks to Dr lime kilns efforts the un established a conventional genocide in 1948 defining it a certain acts committed with the intent to destroy. A national ethnic racial or religious group has been tested regularly ever since most likely this week in The Hague. Starting yesterday Myanmar's leader Aung San Suu Kyi the civilian leader Aung San Suu Kyi has been appearing at the un International Court of Justice to defend her country against accusations that the Burmese military committed genocide against nearly 3 quarters of a 1000000 Russians or people who were forced to flee into exile in Bangladesh the case here is against the country of Myanmar rather than anybody in particular and Myanmar stands accused of committing atrocities against the Muslim right in China minority while Susan Hutchinson is ph d. Scholar on in the coral bells school for Asia Pacific Affairs at the Australian National University Hello Susan Oh it's lovely a very good morning good Good to have you with us too we saw on we've seen pictures of on Sun Suchi taking notes and and being very very attentive at the International Court of Justice does she actually have to be there a tall well she made the decision to leave the delegation I'm chill leave me and my delegation to the International Court of Justice I mean there as the leader of the delegation Yes she. Will begin there are little there are proceedings today and it will be it will be interesting to see what what I think statement looks like is it possible that she could just flatly deny everything. Yes it is that is. What the government of Myanmar has done with regard to the right in your genocide they deny the fact that they are in you as a group of people even exist they did not I that they are. A group of of of people that exist within within within me imo they deny that there has been any gross sexual violence on they deny that there have been any genocidal acts and they did not that I have been any lack under international. Hearings that are about that sort of procedural hearing about what are called provisional measures to try and ensure that there are noises that are there and are ongoing genocidal while these international while this international case proceed and it's entirely possible I will say that there is there is no there is nothing there is nothing to see here move along please so yes it's entirely possible that what we may see is not you know an international and an international bigger of renowned allow a woman. The world had seen as a figure of didn't democracy a Nobel laureate. Defending what with the most of us considered to be a genocide and it would look to most of us as a. Civilian figure and as you say a figure of international Red Not as being put up there some sort of Us trauma to the south and the bobbies army which isn't even there yes well that this is an interesting position that she is in and I'm. With you know a in times of the way that the Benny's government exists now if you know. When they Alexion what held in Myanmar. Well you know there was some some hope that we were seeing a transition to civilian government and they created this unique position. But the reality was that it was a very much a position of compromise and and she now is in the ultimate position of compromise the where as a civilian Lida she is in a position where she. She is obliged to defend her government. But the rest of us and looking at what the government has done as illegal inconceivable and immoral and yet she is but she has chosen whether it has been due to internal pressure on the. She's in a position now where she's defending what the government is doing. But there's also a bunch of butt of internal politics and that Ch'ien around the right hinge on as a group and the way that back and did within me and model with her gods that kind of minority status then the discrimination that I smiled broadly you know that I have very and I have. Significant discrimination and have done so for all of them for generations and I looked on very very poorly and I mean generally that those of us those are the groups that have suffered its genocide in the pa. But brought a very very poorly even if she had sort of other minorities bend and other minorities with grace as. The race in Europe at the very bottom of the food chain with regard to the groups that she may have to send in the just word about the prosecution because that impressive list of played to says and this is an international prosecution. Yes and the International Court of Justice is not like the court people used to use the cold wet countries. To resolve disputes between countries so it's not about individual. But the lawyers who are bad are our of our greatest team and it was fascinating listening to yesterday's argument. Very powerful argument I didn't day just a case that was brought by the Gambia was a very strong you know the argument provisional measures indeed are very very strong provisional measures have been granted by the court in cases that are much less extreme than what we have seen in Myanmar at the moment well thank you Susan very much and I should just note that the United States and in the form of the u.s. Treasury moved to sanction some leading members of the Myanmar government just yesterday as well imposing sanctions on 4 Myanmar military leaders. Of Asli direct result of this prosecution which is taking place in Stossel coach of justice. Well as yet unidentified Ok yes sorry Susan I beg your pardon yes just carry on by all means All right thank you very much and I spent it fantastic and it's really important that other that other countries continue to support this case to the u.k. It's important to do good throughout the break that person important that sanctions that have been occurring through the e.u. Sanctions person transition across. The particularly because of the role that violence played as a part of this genocide I'm is important that the u.k. Government I'm continued That whole of the around responding to conflict and I just want that I really play every was terminal in supporting this hand and supporting the cause of the sexual violence that occurred out of the genocide and. Preventing support. Businesses as well that has been really holding up the regime thank you in this case Susan Hutchinson. National device to the New Zealand volcano is still giving a lot of cause for alarm after the fatal folk out of corruption over the weekend when it erupted 47 people were on the island we know that been 6 fatalities and 8 people missing presumed dead Marmol or as Professor school of geosciences. Sydney. Professor Mohler you you know the white tile and our walk out quite well the. I do my wife and I visited a wide island in January 2018 as tourists even though we're both geologist. It must've been quite a visit because I mean looking at the films that the whole place is covered in and sulphur crystals in the most extraordinary outcroppings Yeah it's a really quite extraordinary it's unlike most other. Tourist experiences even the mongst volcano tourism I'd say as soon as one arrives the ones fitted out with hard hats and gas masks and as such you saying to yourself isn't that a bit over the top but you realise soon that it's not and the whole place is a bleak landscape you know totally devoid of flour and fall on a dotted for scraps of Yellow and White Sulphur crystals and as you start walking you know you passed by steam vents bubbling pits of mud and how to book an extreme and you know with these vivid hues of the yellow and orange all around you it's very picturesque picturesque but a little bit terrifying. It is and so there. Hissing fumaroles everywhere so what's special about why the island is that most of it is submerged under the sea it's what but what sticks out at the top is only a dark rest and 10 percent of it so the whole structure is actually about 1.6 kilometers tall about the sea floor and so sea water seeps into it all the time and into the magma chamber and it gets super heated and it comes out as the pressure drops and it comes out and so called fumaroles and some of springs and gases that can be up to $800.00 degrees hot and there are no fences a barriers so it's a very raw and accelerating experience and I guess that's what attracts tourists to the c.s.s. And I don't kind of where there are any checks made as you know on the likelihood of an eruption or anything when when you went on the island are were you told that you did so very much your own risk. That's right and you know you you sign a waiver and and the idea is you know that that's too and because at that point in time there hadn't been any major eruption felt for a while and I think to most people it's a bit like walking through say Yellowstone National Park you know which just you know another well known what kind of attraction I was just nothing generous at least not in recent memory to want to can but walk through these fears of a guy descent you morals there and and if one doesn't think about it too much then why did I learn my team like that is fair but it and perhaps didn't think about it sufficiently at the time when we went we just got lucky that it didn't erupt from Beaver the goodness sake yes you must be you must be shocked by the news and may I ask you as a geologist now. Having seen the this eruption this that this you know whatever it was the island hopping on a call for it or something. What do you say how long do you think it will take to return to the state it was in when you were on it. Well that's that's that's very hard to say and I think from from reading all the news reports and the local geology parts I think nobody is quite sure of that and one has to keep in mind that for the whole 'd time period between 975-2000. Why dial and had a long history of of eruptions and the severity of these eruptions are measured by volcanic expressivity index and so it's a it's a logarithmic scale like the one used for us quakes and so these eruptions typically have been up to. The number 3 and and that means that the d. Ject the stuff that's coming out can be a volume of up to 10000000 cubic kilometers associated with 3 to 515 kilometer Poom And so you know that these things have happened over you know a long time period several decades and above that irregular time intervals and so nobody you know I think nobody is actually able to predict. You know how long it's going to be quiet and France going to erupt again and it's all to do with the seawater that. Seeps into the volcano if it if it were to be sitting on dry land it would be more predictable. But as you said 10 percent of it is above that the ocean and the rest of it as some match here. Again I remember from a volcanic eruption on. I was a kid so solution one of the cabbie in. Islands on the hof of the island was covered in the lava and the other half of the island was just as it had been before. It it could this be a similar situation yeah I'll of course and as I said before you know as a tourist and perhaps doesn't think about that sufficiently But if you look at the history of White Island there's a used to be a mining site saws being mined since the 18 hundreds and but in $9141.00 side of the crater wall collapsed completely and and caused a so-called lot harder than a mob so that at night that buried that and tired of the village where the miners were staying and and they were never found they were completely covered and so there is actually a history of this kind of thing happening there and when geologists go to you know make surveys or studies do they stay on the island or do they just land like tourists from a boat for the day I'm pretty sure that nobody ever stays on this island yet so you would you would just land. And deploy some equipment like a new camera in Seems like they would be needing a new camera now since the previous one was destroyed and yet you deploy some equipment and then you would leave again and hope that you can monitor the volcano remotely as much as possible. You would you would hope do you think there are going to be ever the opportunities the weather on this island again I mean given the international attention that there has been and obviously this tragic loss of life yeah. I mean I think the answer is probably no I mean I think now I think that the whole world has become more a larger to the risks and involved and and the unpredictability of of eruptions. And I think I would be surprised if for tourism. To continue there is a problem is that the I don't desire to be small it's only. 2 or 3 kilometers in diameter and so that means even the relatively small eruption you can't get away from its you know because you're sort of trapped on the island and and say you know hardly any right to hide you know the instructions how to hide behind a rock when this happens you know but also visibility but usually very poor if an eruption happens and instructions said I. Say not to walk anywhere in those circumstances because you might be for you know stepping into a snow at the. Lake or something like that just sounds horrific Professor Miller thank you very much for talking to us You're very welcome news just a coming in from. 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Dobby last week they said they preferred the $2901.00 and this is b.b.c. Radio 5 Live on digital b.b.c. Sound it's small speaker come on Laurie. Good morning yesterday's school the band of weather is long gone and took a step with of 78 miles an hour and couple current Now today it is going to be a windy day but nothing like as windy as it was yesterday one thing you will notice though nationwide a much colder feel to the weather is going to be a day of sunshine and showers now we'll start off with the weather which across England Wales where across the middle in this central southern England and eastern areas of England it's going to be a sunny but cold starts the morning temperatures around $2.00 to $4.00 degrees Celsius but a brisk southwesterly wind not a warm southwest from ice out across western England Wales meanwhile will start the day with showers moving in very quickly those showers will be heavy could be you know crack of thunder mixed in and as we go through the day those showers going to be pushing eastwards into the Midlands and into eastern England come the afternoon so it is a day where most areas the vast majority of us will see at least one or 2 downpours during the day and the times it will be quite windy when those showers comes through we also drop the temperatures for a time as well there is going to be a cold kind of day temperatures ranging between $5.00 and $9.00 degrees Celsius for the picture in Northern Ireland here it's going to be a chilly start to the day as well we are going to see quite a lot of cloud and showers initially through the morning but it should get a little bit brighter into the afternoon but showers will continue to feed in temperatures here at about 5 or 6 degrees Celsius so this could be a cold feeling they are in Scotland well across the Highlands of Scotland so there's a risk of some snow building with the tire elevations so this could be cold here plenty of showers from the word go some of the shows you how pale and thin them extend and it's going to be really quite a blustery day with some strong winds affecting the Scottish islands as we go through the day gales props even Spago and the day here in temperatures struggling to 5 degrees Celsius will be a frost story of a nights across Beeston areas the u.k. And then into Thursday a band of rain bumps into the cold air bringing a short lived spell of Phil snow to parts of northern England before Bob draft works back in stakeholder in Scotland for the which we shall we say Chris focus on 5 weather. Well this time tomorrow will be election day so we won't be able to talk about the election so for the last time on up all night here's election cast with Adam Fleming Hello everyone well remember we asked you for examples of where the snap election has affected the logistics of your life well this morning a lucky election caster was on the Radio one breakfast show with Greg James Greg and Mr Pyne take it away so on the phone we have Mr Pike a principal teacher Mr Wallace the head teacher of small files primary school Mr Parker What's the problem. The problem is outcomes and I'm just dramatically new suddenly hot and moved today because of something called a general election Oh my word so this means that we've got problems with costumes and learning lines and making sure every is available and getting out of of works of pairs can come and see and all sorts of stuff so. A whole lot of the 230 people does actually have to rearrange itself just because it's just because if there is they should make it and Greg's going to catch up with them tomorrow to see how it all went on with our show election cast the election cast from the b.b.c. We are in this election because you don't want to be thinking about if you can generally be getting on by not useless presence if anyone comes up to you and says they know what's going to happen. Smile politely and turn your back is adamant election casting and Laura's saying on the floor in a big conference in a factory in Stoke or near Stoke glamorous as always and sitting next to me in the studio is piece of bands from the b.b.c. And I was a research team Ok right let's get to it actually why are you and still Cristobal or what's happening. We're in Stafford chair because Boris Johnson is here doing one of his question and answer sessions with members of the public people who work here at j.c.b. And also because with a picture that will be on the t.v. And probably in all of a. Newspapers he has driven a digger through a wall that says gridlock on it. With a special glitz breaks it down large digging. My colleagues beginning. Bulldozing his way. The jokes write themselves so yeah that's why we're here to bring plain old simply to break. The incumbent prime minister who wants to stay on did not she drive through a wall. But there we go I mean what you like about the conservatives of say what you like about drugs I mean as as photo ops go that is probably one of the best ones in the campaign isn't it I mean it's a bit it's a bit crazy but well I was wondering if anyone. Tory central office it also thought she making a model of Parliament for him then to try to bulldoze his way through and I won I just wonder if they'd had that conversation and decided maybe the optics of that wouldn't be quite such a lark. Like perhaps right yeah quite the sort of the big the big news story today is the Jonathan Ashworth labors to health secretary and a recording of him having a chat with a knife former friend where he says some quite negative things about Labor's chances in Germany corpus leadership let's listen to it. Yet so joining us whose nickname funnily enough is sparkles in labor circles I've never quite known why he's a very prominent member of the Shadow Cabinet has been for ages because he's the man who if there was a Labor Government would be running the n.h.s. From Friday. And those remarks they were really damaging I mean he was questioning whether or not Jeremy Corbyn could be true. Stick with national security he was also scoffing the idea that the fact that there could be a Labor victory you know at the same time as Labor politicians would be going around the country Jeremy Corbyn insisting that he's in it to win it and also talking about what it's been like on the doorstep and he the phrase he uses is dire is dire for people there because of a combination of korban and breaks it. Down a sort of manful job of staying sticking with his media appearances today going round t.v. And radio studios having to sort of say oh I was only having a bit of banter with his former friend joshing around but I think the reason why it's damaging is you know you and I both know this is the kind of thing that you hear some Labor candidate some former members of parliament saying in private you know in political sort of gaffes and political disasters on the campaign trail they said if matter when they punch a bruise you know when they talk to something that actually is real rather than just being a mess up and he's articulated the concern that a lot of Labor candidates would have in private and also what quite a lot of labor kind of has been saying to me is what they're hearing back on the doorsteps of voters I mean we discussed it several times on this very podcast but let's listen to war Jonathan Ashworth had to say about all of this when he was on politics live at lunchtime with Joe Coburn I was talking to his sources at the c.c.h. To say is doing well and I'm doing the old sort of you know what Alex Ferguson would do football managers from the thing trying to psych him out saying no you're going to win don't worry about it because I know he's an activist in Canterbury I'm trying to make him complacent obviously I look upon Can I was a smart alec too clever by half you're going to say what you said this about Jeremy you said that about low party or I'm deliberately throwing the Tory attack lines back at him to say all this is what we're getting I'm going to start walking and talking so if I suddenly go. That's what's happened I'm right while you're walking talking let's have a quick listen to Jeremy Corbin on b.b.c. Breakfast today doing a big interview with them and actually some of the stuff that was raised in that recording do. An asteroid was raised on breakfast for example whether Jeremy Corbyn is our problem. On the doorstep bring forward a manifesto which has very clear policies I'm very proud of the contracts that manifesto I'm very proud of the way our party has developed those policies My job is to deliver it and carried out and that is what I will do so as as leader of the party and I want to be in government in order to carry that out because I'm fed up with the levels of poverty injustice and inequality in modern Britain and some candidates not even putting you in their leaflet. Listen it's not a presidential election it's a parliamentary election in which we elect members of Parliament I believe of the Labor Party and I'm very proud to happen and of course this issue about kids in particular having to wait a long time in not great circumstances on the n.h.s. Is still around and here's a reminder of what Jeremy Corbin's been saying about it it's an example of what's happening in our n.h.s. And it is obviously awful for that little boy in the family the way they were treated but it does say something about our n.h.s. When this happened and then all research shows there's a very large number of hospitals where patients are at risk because of staff shortages because of a lack of equipment because of poor maintenance of hospital building so it is actually it is a serious issue it is a political issue how we fund the n.h.s. And also this morning it was a busy morning on the airwaves loads of celebs including Hugh Grant who was being interviewed on the Today programme about his mission to get people voting tactically and this is what he said in a very few granted way obviously I think this is a general election not like any other that I've ever seen I think it's a national emergency I think we're staring into a kind of abyss and I thought what can I possibly do. To help to make things better and one of those things we go out and try and convince people that although we have an electoral system 1st Past the Post which can allow. Which despite the fact that we may well have in this country majority of people who now want to remain in the e.u. We may well also have a majority of people who really don't want Boris Johnson to have a majority government but we will get a hold and we will get Boris Johnson with a majority simply because of our electoral system so I'm out there saying why don't we just this once maybe then we can change our local system. To voting and votes to parties that perhaps we wouldn't normally vote for one of the interesting things about that you know tactical voting is one of the things that sort of lurking in the undergrowth you know we know what the top lines of the campaigns are we know what all the main characters have said we know what they all believe we know where their strengths are and their weaknesses but there are all sorts of things sort of go on in other realms in the election you know whether that's what's happening and what's happening whether that's known affiliated campaigns or for example labor last time you did really well by saving courage in some campaigns that weren't associated directly with the party so say the coup school cuts campaigns for example and that kind of thing will be going on at the moment if I is going on at the moment but it's very hard to monitor the extent of it and similarly I think you know local factors can't be underestimated and this time we've got some pretty unusual things going on you know all of those independents are standing in different places people who switch parties whether it's from Labor to the Lib Dems or the Tories and I think you know we've talked a lot about all the bits of big issues in this campaign but there are all sorts of things lurking around that might feel on Friday morning like they suddenly had an impact and we just never quite worked out you know because we can't quite you know we can't know what's on the mind of millions of voters we can't know what's happening in every single constituency around the country why I can tell you I'm just walking into an absolutely enormous factory behind the to get bricks it done. There's lots of diggers if you. That 4 year old boy this would be really really really exciting or even a 38 year old one do you like to go is that our I mean I like you know me I love infrastructure related things so planes are structured re-inserted tunnels cranes I just get a bit of a bit of a buzz I have all that stuff I thought it was just by oh no I admired my driving this covers many many bases I can reveal I can see them get brakes it done it again and it's actually been painted in the colors of the Union Jack a lot where you have it kind of a bit like a sort of carry on James Bond film sort of thing and it will or you can get a good seat and see you later so I said you have just taken my seats that you didn't enjoy Bye-Bye right Peter Barnes is still waiting very patiently with us right this time to go boating thing I mean even Laura there she said it was quite hard to get your head round what do we know about the tactical voting campaigns because there are campaigns trying to get people to do it well one of the one of the things we have seen in this election are some pretty well organized campaigns online trying to persuade people to do tactical voting and a lot of that in this campaign has been over bricks it and in particular it's coming from the remains side you have to say I mean tactical voting is where you don't sort of if your favorite party but you vote when you think have a chance of winning because they share some of the aims that you have yourself as a voter and so you could do some tactical voting on the program side or on the anti back side but these these organized campaigns mostly been on the remains side the side trying to persuade people to vote either Labor or Liberal Democrat or in some cases s.n.p. Or pride Comrie or even green depending on who it is thought has the best chance of winning in any particular constituency so it could be holding onto a seat for example for a Labor candidate or trying to oust a conservative and that has been a big feature online of this campaign the thing is that every election there's a discussion about tactical voting isn't there why has it gone from Nisha to much. Seemingly much more mainstream or is actually just a bigger Nisha this time well I think the Brits are issue because it is dominant for a lot of voters they think it's by far away the most important issue and it is one where there is agreement between particular parties on both sides of the argument so that's one reason and a relatively recent phenomenon of course just the ability to have a mass online campaign that can reach millions of voters which wouldn't impossible 20 years ago yeah and just being able to set up a website with a big database find things I wish which you would have been able to do 20 years ago and so yesterday for example it was best for Britain the people's vote and remain united they kind of agreed a tactical voting platform to try and deprive the Tories of a majority as they would put it and I think what they say is that 40700 for tactical votes nationwide could stop the conservatives getting a majority and that's in. $36.00 marginal seats and there are some where it's less than $2500.00 tactical votes would stop the conservatives holding or gaining that seat. That's based on clarity percent remainders voting tactically Oh that's a lot of numbers it is a lot of numbers I mean the principle is basically a bit simpler than that it's if you look at these constituencies which are let's take an example of a conservative held one of the moment you just go to try and work out which party has the best chance of ousting the conservative if your goal is to get a pro remain Param m.p. So so really the analysis they've got to do that the question they could answer is Who is it his best place to to beat the conservatives in those places and it's not always easy and which is why you've got these campaigns in fact why they have in some instances disagreed about who should vote for any particular constituency in some places it's obvious in some places it is basically a straight horse race between the Conservatives and the Dems or between the Conservatives and Labor and then the tax code vote recommendation is fairly clear but there are a lot of places particularly this election where it's not really obvious who has the best chance of beating the conservatives in some because it felt so so that's where these organizations are doing their pretty complex analysis now let's turn to election night which is only a few hours away now you're going to have a pivotal role I hope you don't mind me saying well I will be talking in humor Edwards's air overnights Well he's presenting the results program and I think what's are things you say you're doing so well Hugh great great hair no of course of course if you always have a great sense. He never appears in public without a really serious that goes without saying No I'm just watching the results obviously I've got a load of computer screens in front of me in my desk where it whereas here is in front of cameras and you know he's quite busy interviewing people so and so I'm looking at the results coming through getting some of the advice from John Curtis. Getting reports through on its way Sarah and from other t.v. And radio channels so I'm feeding him information about what's going on what the results so far can tell us to try and inform. Our coverage on this has so you're like an additional brain like but just outside his head yeah a bit like a 2nd brain your 2nd 2nd brain yeah most importantly does you get to go to the loo any point or change to that desk I think there will be one or 2 times when he might be able to we have a regional office at some point in the morning where that your local regional t.v. Takes over a few minutes however having said that I have done some of these programs there before and he does tend to go through a long time without needing to get up excellent bladder control amongst many other things of if you had written skills I am planning to do so our big we're going to do an alternative election night program on i Player actually at hand for an hour or so will bring you the exit poll in an alternative formats still correct and accurate hopefully and then I think I'll probably go to sleep for a bit and then I'll get up again because we're going to record a special election cast episode with all the overnight big picture stuff so that if you haven't stayed up all night like us do we use when you get up on Friday morning will be a lovely fresh podcast waiting for you to listen on the bus or on your bike or whatever I do if I don't you get to get sleep though of course I'm going to say what I sing and you know and of course the other star of election night one of the other stars will be Jeremy Vine with his big graphics I popped in to see him the other day because he's been quizzing me on the contents of all the party manifestos and I don't just mean quizzing I mean actually like being a quizmaster he sat me down his virtual House of Commons tested me rigorously on the contents of the manifestoes and this is how it went when he asked me about the s.n.p. Yes here in our virtual House of Commons Adam Fleming has agreed to take questions on the s.n.p. Manifesto out of your Minute starts now what is the n s a p manifesto slogan stronger for Scotland very good yes the s.n.p. Wants a 2nd referendum on e.u. Membership so long as what is an option on the ballot paper remain Yes what do they want in the rest to another referendum on Scottish independence to be held 2020 your right is the s.n.p. Calling on the u.k. Government to match or exceed spending per head on. Health in the u.k. To what the s.n.p. Currently does in Scotland they want to match it in England that shows up in Scotland except does the s.n.p. Want to scrap book keep trying to scrap absolutely they want drugs policy to be devolved How does Scotland's drugs death rate compared to other countries is very high by totally comparison you are wrong it's the worst. But when is the s.n.p. But when is the s.n.p. Pledged to reach that 0 carbon emissions at 10 seconds 2040 by correct people's power over the grace of the state Westminster falls it is false it once it devolved to your very good. Sense and I support only I think you knew that just very sad thing about the drugs related deaths I think you knew that it is the worst but you said it's very bad I can't I'm afraid 1. 34567 hours of 8 very impressive on the s.n.p. Manifesto How did I do what is pretty impressive about I'm right Peter Barnes from analysis of research thank you very much Who's Next the 7 Panhead from 5 news not just very recently of questions times parish Yes perhaps the hardest working broadcaster in the election Chris Meissen surely now Laura how can we forget about Laura I think you're pretty much a joint with them actually consider especially if you look at the last 36 hours 1st of all you've had your own or not had your own John Ashworth moment today yes we had him the shadow health secretary ready to go for an interview just after 11 o'clock up in trailing ahead tonight we don't do that unless we think all guests are coming on. And yes we have a large John Ashworth shaped hole in the shed too because after a period with my colleague Victoria Dobbs Show on television and he was asked about reports to do with that leaked tape from his previous friend former friend to do with what he thought of Jeremy cool been he wouldn't pick up his phone we were told he could no longer do it no reason given though he then did pop up on other. He wasn't hiding in Tora. He was just fighting maybe for that hour while they worked out what to do I mean one can speculate so last night the Question Time special it was a load of voters $18.00 to $29.00 you 7 politicians how would you say it went I think it was a really interesting set of questions I think the people there really wanted to to get answers so I asked how much I was trying to focus on I think the fact that when we were looking across the spread of questions that we got in a lot were about whether their vote was worth it so I mean we in our political sort of journalists circles would call that electoral reform which is a distinctly unsexy title but I was we were all quite struck on the team by how much they felt like there wasn't any action in their area because they didn't live in a marginal and you know that played straight into the hands of most of the parties bar the Tories in terms of the representatives on the panel we have 7 as you say because that the only ones not promising any form of changing to either the voting system or the House of Lords so I was very struck by that housing big moment on housing when I asked the audience how many of them are in their own homes just a smattering of the 107 on the panel all 7 and then we went round and asked what age the panelists the politicians had bought their own home and most of them were in their twenty's some in their early twenty's How old were you when you 1st purchased a property how do you add I'm 30 Nigel 22 Angela house in my late twenty's late twenty's Roberts 25. Joe 26 homes up 27 Jonathan 26 I think so I think the disparity between what you can do when you're young just a decade ago versus what you can do now is quite stark Yeah I mean it was there's a lot of Bragg's actually like the sort of the 1st 45 minutes war were electoral reform and and the arguments about drugs that were made Yes But see also you know the idea that young people don't care about this I think couldn't be further from the moment you know that they're all just thinking about social issues and that's why I was so keen to do this program because having been formally of the youthful parish I'm only 34 but I know that now discounts me from that audience. I think the idea that you only care about she wished in fees and green issues and on and we saw that come through because we were led by the questions that were given by the audience and there were some young brother supporters there because quite often there's just this idea that all young people are opposed to Bragg's I think it's terrible but there you had people who were saying I'm I'm in favor of leaving the e.u. In that referendum result should be well acted they weren't just I mean they were angry you know these people were saying how can we trust sort of any voting system getting about on sexily title electoral reform when we're talking about having a 2nd referendum when the will of the 1st one hasn't been executed so you could understand why that would affect perhaps if let's say the referendum is the very 1st thing you've ever voted in you could understand why that might shake your faith equally I think there's a very powerful question from someone who followed another young person who was a remain a but actually said they'd missed out on voting in the referendum that was a feeling as well with some of the younger members of the audience that now this is their 1st sort of stake in this but someone else a quick on the heels of that we have he was already. We put you there to do the business of politics in Utah you seem to be able to do it why not now you said the word steak which takes me on to the meat question no just clear this up. For people who might have only just seen the tweet of you asking Angela Rayner if Labor were going to nationalize sausages Yes Just explain what you're actually getting at no pun intended I think to be quite a lot of heat about this but as we know Twitter is not a beast of context it's a beast of let's take wall moments and not put it in any form of concepts and we were talking about personal responsibility and whether the government would in this iteration of government or in the future move to making things like personal habits like what you eat something that had to be vetted or controlled or limited by the state it was a question that came in about specifically meat consumption and we went from hearing from the conservatives the absolutely no personal limits on any of your behavior we then go to the party of you know by their own definition much largest state labor they've been talking about nationalizing everything from rail 3 to water you know the nationalizing of the consumption of meat or as I put it into nationalist sausages seems to be an apt point to ask that it isn't that we would deny the rest of the debate but we have had not only a specific climate debate in this election campaign on Channel 4 but we didn't need to go over the carbon neutral targets once again because we are led by the audience and the audience wants to know about specifics should change shampoo should you change your personal habits in any other way we've seen in the liberal manifesto about flying meat consumption was the direction we were taken in and the question Have you seen the overnights which is the technical name for the ratings I have not well I can reveal to you that at 1st x. Factor the bands launching on i.t.v. $31.00 but after half an hour it was overtaken by you oh so the x. Factor got $2200000.00 and you got 2 and a half 1000000 taking that to that Simon Cowell you know we go No I'm thanking you but well I mean no one of the people watching so I'm one of the one being one less . Did you get a chance to talk to the audience afterwards how they felt it went because my feeling about it was that the panel. Very shouty and just as interested in taking lumps over each other in whatever underhanded way they could as much as they were interested in engaging with the questions it was very striking wasn't it that you know that there was just moments and as an interviewer that's more so I did more than chairing things you know I just stood back and let them go now you intervene when either it's been going on too long and because you have 7 people to get around or actually just can't hear them you know but there was a very striking point which I think you know speaks to what people perhaps a looking for more not always they like passion was we had a quick fire round one of the questions that came up to the top using the hash tag which is not normally a question time does the whole thing of it is the go to be in the room that came in from from a guy called Julie and he said Please could you talk about restoring faith and trust me was the word in politics without negatively referring to the opposition and that was a very changed big change of tone was in at that point I only managed to speak to a couple of audience members afterwards but the ones that I did speak to were I think quite taken aback by exactly what you say which is the the sort of fighting and you know if you haven't seen up close sees something. During your 5 live show every day you've probably got like a really good sense of how the nation is feeling and how the whole campaign has played out what kind of are your thoughts now that we get to the very end of it well I did just meet a woman called Donna who very interesting actually has reasons to both support and loath both Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbett as and she's not one of those who really hates one side and also doesn't like the other she's genuinely perplexed as to how to vote for the good of the country I mean she finished our conversation by saying I'm going to ask the cat which obviously I'm sure you feel greatly edified by and so do I with which I do that Ok I have the information. Exactly I think also another tweet we got incidentally really summed up with regards to the john Ashworth no show. On our show having said he was coming on the shout House actually which was just about that story so we've got a shot of health secretary who doesn't seem to believe in the team he's on I'm the leader he's backing and we've got Tories you think it's Ok to take their mates and then leak it to a blog really is this what I've got politically homeless so why do you think we're hearing a lot from either undecided or those who feel really like they've got nowhere to go quite a lot we're also hearing from people I asked his question of the day and we were so excited to ask it again that we are How's the campaign being in your area tell us about doorstep conversations you've had the canvassing so many people got in touch to say they'd see nothing because they don't live in a marginal they don't feel that the election is actually happening where they live they may feel it's happening in the media I thought that was a real shame to hear that but of course you know things are strategic and a lot more comforting people are arguing is being done alone but generally it does seem to be where people do care about Bracks it there is confusion about what getting Breck's it done will mean and equally What does Jeremy Corbyn think on election night of course you're going to be doing the radio show with Jim knocked the preparations going Jim and I think given 2 very large thick ring binders before last lines. Which is Oh he's wonderful to receive is the law got home and packed the preparations are essentially day to day while I do I think is prep but yes I'm going to need to sit down and practice the names of some difficult constituencies is not everyone's dream before Christmas but might as well Max out absolutely and then just go for the exactly collapse next Monday even if there's no clear winner un going to see me for a while Ok well have a nice break I want to get over there are a large company got to get over think the great British public will be and how to see the back of me for the back of all of us really you take care we need you in good shape because regardless of you something backs it wrecks it cos will be right Oh absolutely and who knows what will be doing next year right am I Thank you very much thank you so much leverage sort here to have a good one order order your listening to elation just from the b.b.c. You know last week you remember we were talking about what the parties were doing for people with disabilities now we've got activist and campaigner Dr Amy Cavanaugh with us hello. Very quickly just tell us I mean how do you see for example people who are have visual impairments get the manifestos accessing information about elections as efficiently and has person isn't so much the challenge although a lot of people need prayer which you sometimes have to request as long as the web page is set up to be accessible to screen readers and not misfires you're Ok but there are other people who need that information in other form it's like a British Sign Language for d.n.a. Or for example easy read which has pictures and simple sentences that convey the message a look and more simple form or perhaps the people who have learning disabilities and that kind of information was mediate on a lot of the websites for example labor didn't put up their British Sign Language videos for the whole manifesto until a couple of days ago they were. Snippets available for that disability says today that deaf people want to vote on more issues than just disability we want to find out about education go to see what the police as well I mean writing in the different manifesto Yes I would say labor and conservatives and pretty equally well all the conservatives have the British Sign Language up sooner the Dems are right can. You miss most when you have to request information it's better to have it available easy to download while and when to call it sign number or email because it's having another process to bury it get. Unfortunately I couldn't find much from pain and pliant. From the present policy really find any nation accessible manifestation so I would be happy to be like Dr any Kavanaugh thank you very much for joining us on filling us in and balance is that just for today's election cast. The word as vote by the time comes summarizes in London at $756.00. B.c. . It's 5 o'clock this is morning reports on 5 Live I'm Claire Graham our top story this morning the final day of the general election campaign we'll see the party leaders travelling across the country urging undecided voters to back them tomorrow from Westminster Here's our political correspondent Ben right after what feels a very long campaign it's about 56 weeks nearly this has been going on we are now in the last stretch there's one last day for all the party leaders to make their arguments and they're going to be crisscrossing the country holding rallies hammering home ec or messages of the 2 main parties is going to be a repeat of what we've. Many times already for Boris Johnson he will say there cannot be another hung parliament there can't be a coalition between Jeremy Corbyn the Lib Dems the s.n.p. Because that would just mean in his view more delay a no no breaks it further deadlock he wants Breck's it done and wants a Tory majority to get that deal passed Jeremy Corbyn will stress his commitment to spending a lot more money on public services enabling people to have pay rises more childcare things like that I mean is a bulging manifestos spending promises Labor's Labor says and he will tell a rally later that the richest and big business would pay for many of the party spending promises and of course he'll keep the n.h.s. At the center of his argument volcanic activity has been increasing on New Zealand's white islands following an eruption on Monday at least 6 people died and 8 are still missing the director of Civil Defense and emergency management Sarah Stuart Black has been speaking to reporters in the past hour about when the recovery operation can begin the preservation of human life and the prevention of human further human harm must be taken into account the strategy has already claimed multiple lives and caused terrible injuries and unspeakable grief there is always a delicate balancing act when it comes to recovery operations of where risk to human life exists and right now the science tells us that this is just too high I can assure you that risk is constantly being reassessed because everyone I mean everyone is united in their desire to recover those bodies from the island so they .
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