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So coming up in an hour on 5 Live it's breakfast with Elena Oldroyd and Chris Warburton 1st though a look ahead to Callum Smith's world title fight against John Ryder which you can hit tonight on 5 life 5 Live boxing is a pre recorded program so please don't text local fans live boxing. I. Thank for joining us once again for the 2nd time this week on 5 Live with Costello on bonds of the moment wearing the magnificent building down by the waterside in Liverpool ahead of the world title fight between Callum Smith and John Ryder at the weekend for Smith's super middleweight title the press conference has just concluded in one of the arrivals holes the 2 men have stepped down from the stage and will be hearing from them shortly stay What do you make of this as an attraction as a showpiece fight. Well it's a homecoming the calumny you know you went to Saudi Arabia in the thought that time forgot and bashed up George Groves ruined destroyed what was left of George Groves a national a slight on George grows because Kalam devastated in one night dropped him nastily finished it in the 7th round 13 months ago 14 months ago then he had that strange outing on the on the card of Joshua reveries in the Madison Square Garden when the obliterated end than Dick n g can and then we've crept into this fight and when this fight was announced I said height differences aside this is a terrific the mess the world title fight and I stand by that now and I stood by as I did 2 months ago when it was 1st announced and I know John Reuter and his coach Tony Sims believe that they can turn the so-called disadvantages into advantages he says 5 or 6 inches shorter in height very similar disadvantage in reach but I get the sense with Callum Smith's The even though this is his 2nd fight of the year and the top line fighters tend to fight only twice a year that there has been a lack of momentum you spoke about the fight against George Groves That was September of last year that should have really catapulted him to the forefront of British boxing and although within the sport there is great respect for him and many people would have him as their number one pound for pound British boxer right now I still think that it is lacking that momentum and just needs to get back out on Saturday night to win on Saturday night and then move on to the fights that everybody's been talking about in the build up including him against possibly Canelo Alvarez Billy Joe Saunders is another of the world champions in the super middleweight division who we saw in the recent You Tube has been in Los Angeles so there's so much out there for Smith but I think that momentum is going to happen soon because he's 29. Now it is to be perfectly Callan's Korea's lack momentum since he turned professional We had a great run of 6 1st round wins and he had some good windy you know you start rocky field in a round but it's been all full of oases little island stops as opposed to a grand toll of somewhere to use a small geographical. Geographical method might be this fight should have been in about February or March up here he would've had the momentum from the sensational George Groves victory and he will pull a domestic guy classic That's the way you should do it at home 4 months later then he could have had a big something in the summer and then he could have had or we could have had something big in September evil why evil why this fight really would have been ideal I or 9 months ago doesn't diminish it as a fight but we're just talking in a brutal cold while Let's get that right still to come this week with a look ahead to the rematch between their own stay while there and Luis Ortiz coming up in Las Vegas at the weekend and we'll hear Eddie Hearns thoughts on the prospects of Dylan white appearing on the undercard of anti Joshers rematch against Andy Ruiz tuning in just over 2 weeks' time in Saudi Arabia but I'm delighted to say we've been joined now by calum Smith who's made his way down from the stage can and we were talking about momentum in your career and how we felt that it hadn't really kicked on since the George Groves win now I know you wanted to take time out you become a father for the 1st time but how are you feeling now as we move into event essentially your home coming yes I feel good so I understand people's frustrations with the activity and. Listen it's not not down to me I boxed in June in New York and the plan was to do September then their December time get to me I'm bored. The position I'm in it's not as easy to sort opponents own stuff and we kind of run out of time so we decided to go with the one in November bull and I'm not a I live a good life folks are betting I'm never too far away from the gym I'm always always there or thereabouts to tend to fitness so it's now I was very active alien We could hear I think the other night in the face she had an 82nd year and I believe that's when I was at me best going to fight in regular And I think that that's when people will see the best of me when it when it when I'm fighting a bit more often and hopefully that's the plan for 22 I need to know to get this not the way and then have a busy next year and fight some of the big names which I believe will bring out the best in me as a say you just step down off the stage on the stage it was noticeable on the head to heads the advantage you've got but given those what dangers does he present sees you go fight it and I think everyone fights at this level is in the position to be there in that all good enough to be good on how any given day I've always believed that the best vision of a should be to anyone in the whales and I've had the same mentality since I was comin through would concentrate on me make sure the best version of me stepped in that ring and if that is the case then I'll believe I'd be to have it and this comes being about very good spot and we know she threw large over to a very similar to John and. Wait one second things with Joe I feel like I was going very well I'm very confident this fight and I believe whatever version of Johnson's are part of our answer for an hour wake ups in the morning still a world champion and I've been talking about how you've been referring to possibly moving up to light heavyweight at some stage and if you're talking about moving out you've got to be struggling either way yet now to be honest here it's more just. From going to face a professional I don't want to be in boxing for years and years it's a tough sport and provide the whole get in achieve what I wanted to Am What I wanted to get out soon as possible and it's a very unforgiving sport it's a tough sport and the goals are set yourself a whole set the bar really high and want to become a world champion Plummer said then come to be unified will champion kind of be a 2 a champion and a spotlight everything will create I believe in good enough and big enough to move on I just don't want to move just yet because I still believe the stuff I can achieve out 168 ball I've got a very good team a court a very good nutritionist in Scott Robinson and we do all the test and then I can still do ship in middle Well I can still perform at it which may last a few few fights the show went on as long as that's the case in the still out there for me to win I want 68 I believe I'll stay. And if it all goes well either way can was for you the biggest fight out there is it Canelo is it Billy Joe Yeah I don't feel I think the canal is obviously the biggest one is the biggest name in box and with a rap it all now I doubt to be on the street yet a think I don't know what weight he's going to fight out next all he was going to fight on of the cube about 50 different fighters are probably in my position won the fight so I'm not going to waste me could be a chase and a fight that might never come he said it was up and I take it it's a fight I believe him when stylistically and if not then it's clear the champions of my way to vision were pelts that all were all undefeated I think if I would any of his is go for boxing and hopefully some of them can be made next year and they were talking about possibly you overlooking John Ryder this weekend but I mean somebody was on the undercard and Madison Square Garden of Joshua Ruiz if ever you needed a reminder yeah exactly what I was overseeing that one up close and I've been around boxing a long time I've seen many upsets and its source. I'm a perfectionist in day to day life and I'm very articulate a way to are to become a world champion to give it up to complacency and it's all well and go talking about you Kanellos in your own field and 2020 I lose to John Rod and battle disappears so that's the only motivation I need to sit so when the belts and I don't plan on giving them up anytime soon Cullum you're on the bill and you're their wake with us and we did loads of it I just did a rematch between those 2 it also forms a pick to be honest which is obviously go for blocks and go for funds I think Drew Brees goes in and has the exact same again it wouldn't surprise me if Joshua goes in and blows them away probably would surprise me and I think you might hear. Klitschko type of performance from Joshua to you my job in the post I'm open then wait until a time's right time to come out later on and I think I'm going to go with the I don't need the result will surprise me it's a proper It's a tough one to call which is why I said just go for boxing fans as a neutral Callum's you think next for you has to be one of those monster a few nice said I hope so I think an idea here is an idea where I do like one state after George Groves I think you know you've been a Pelton you want a big fight no one wants to keep busy fights or to hold was and some not to suspect in general an old 30 possesses bull is not what he superstar named He's not it didn't know you as it doesn't alter about what I can go I don't get enough Him By be in him and there the fights that I want to feel that's when people will see the best of me so I hope so no as long as I keep women then not always be in a position to get big fights whether the next or whether after wait a couple you have to wait and see Boy I've got to do my part let's keep going and thanks for taking time out on Saturday I can choose Thank you I thank you Allen Smith heading away to do a number of other interviews and don't forget you can air live commentary on b.b.c. 5 Live on Saturday evening from around 10 pm and interesting what Callum was saying this thing about and who we've been to see this week and we'll talk more about him later in. This podcast as for the fight itself I just think Callum Smith hits too clinically to cleanly for him and there is something from the George Groves fight and a particular habit of condoms mace that I think could be decisive in this fight Stevie he catches punches when I say catches he parries punches on his left arm you know kind of Smithy's Orthodox against rider who's or South Pole and against George Groves he did this he catches the opponent's right hand which in right his case is going to be his jab you stay with me on this but the right hand from George gross gross through one he parried it with his left forearm did Callum Smith and then immediately before the Right had made his way back to grow to chin he clicked a left hook over the top and that started the beginning of the end of that fight against George Groves he does that really well where he catches the opponent's right hand and then fix the left hook over the top given that Ryder is so much shorter and he's going to have to step into range to close that gap with that right hand late I think that could be decisive for that not just that shot is just generally the way he's a very very smart punch because I was watching back that on the card fight on the on the card of Joshua Mary's in Madison Square Garden his house and them and he picked his punches absolutely beautifully and though you might say in them was in above doesn't matter which they should but what a brilliant performance in terms of punch breaking my limited meters about you know I find that it's really interesting because he's not 6 to he's closer to 63 might even be tall I mean he's a he's an absolute giant he doesn't fight even though he stands tall with this is an odd thing people want one doubtless said you know and say he doesn't fight like a tall rangy guy he froze shots like he's a compact 5 foot 9 inch Mexican from some part of Los Angeles he froze it was short you'll talk about there he shouldn't really be able to Frodo shot like that Mike but that shouldn it doesn't work right but he can and that's some of the skill in the compact. Is So we have that Mike what you're saying the praise your given him is he the best pound for pound books in Britain I mean people have declared in the best super middleweight in the world I'm not going to argue with that but we did say and had this debate on the Pocahontas a few weeks back and I just thought that the body of work over the last 18 months of Josh Warrington given the level of the opponents he beats least Selvi Ok at home but he was a massive underdog he goes on to be Carl Frampton so that body of work over the course of of a year I think rates him above Callum Smith but pound for pound would kind of Smyth be Josh Warrington listen to an argument that he would but I think it is an argument worth having because of what Warrington has actually done and takes us back to that lack of momentum in countless Miss career but anyway stay that fire is live on b.b.c. 5 Live on Saturday night from around 10 pm a few hours later in Las Vegas it's the on say wild against Luis Ortiz and their rematch of that fascinating contest in March 28th which Wilder won in the 10th round but not after a serious fright in the 7th round when he was saved by the Bell who however much it a cliche that might be earlier on in the 5th round he had Ortiz in great trouble so you know the criteria of the best fights is they go one way than the other and back the other way again and that that was a serious test for Wilder and in a sense to me that set him up for the Tyson Fury fight and the performance he produced there coming through diversity in thought I love the 7th round I love the desire a burning out of all cheesy Xyzzy be a trail when you realize these look even lost these charts because all it takes is always what you don't have as a star are 9 all seasons already training for the rematch Trust me if you know that that's a law schools he's got about 4 minutes of life left in that ring or 2 and he's already got its mind on a rematch I don't delighted 7 it's not you know listen it could be. Of it's size of you it will tease dollars does get to him earlier if that happens then that Tyson Fury Waldo fought next year that's gone but this is a great fun heavyweight fight and I'm going to drag out this statistic against which to which we did last time out ahead of his fight against Dominic Brazil but it. It is just a staggering statistic this one he's making the tense defense of the w.b.c. Heavyweight title he won it in January 25th he's been champion for almost 5 years now and is still dismissed as somebody who can punch but can't fight and yet making the tense defense so the other heavyweights who've made 9 successive defenses of the title include Muhammad Ali Joe Louis Lennox Lewis Mike Tyson and Adam am Vitaly Klitschko Joe for a 0 Larry Holmes and the other one Tommy Burns who lost the title to fight back in this firefight in 1908 but that's as steamed company whatever he says about you know the heavyweights there are around right now but you know he he keeps on finding a way to win and that means we keep on talking potentially about the rematch against Tyson theory which we're still being told his favorite 22nd will know a lot more about that in the coming 10 days I suggest after we find out the result on Saturday night and then will you one day ever fight and he Joshua Well of course in theory that's what we're looking at next year we're looking at slightly into the year off. The wall fury for even if Walter wins are no fury insists it's made Barbaro insists it's made who knows I think this is a really tricky 9 minutes on Saturday night at the m.g.m. He hasn't got that long left Ortiz but I think he's got free vicious rounds and will and he will have to stop particularly fast Walter but not reckless and you know what he gets really furious when people try and just bracket him as a tool man with a big punch he's cool she's got a great punch he hurts people we've seen what he's done to it it's nice if you reach Weis especially and it's well frowned but he insisted you go for his books and bring you know you literally pull up clips when I did the interview him up on the show that day you know that mad 2 hours with me when I was doing some stuff with bt we were up on a lot of snow and a Florida shelter he actually pulled out he's followed. And showed me instances of his footwork and when he was shot in people up for the jab and when he was shot in people out for the right hand included in the toss and not down he went for it took about 5 minutes one for him to go through that 12 2nd sequence so it really is the box up and you gotta love that they don't your world let me tell you Steve you watch back on You Tube or anywhere that replay of that knock down against Tyson Fury don't let anybody tell you that was just too wild swings he got a salute and you get it in slow motion you watch him measuring time that's what he show you 3 with the right hand white sometimes the left hand it's brilliant stuff and sure at times he does look reckless he usually looks reckless when the opponent is on the most pressure that we're going back to that fights the what I think is really important here all I hear is that those 12 rounds must have done Tyson Fury the power of good what about the other that's only the 2nd time in his entire career he's been in the distance and the 1st time against the man Stephen when he said title he won every 2nd of every round wasn't challenged wasn't really pressed didn't have to think about where he was placing his punches who's to say that Walter hasn't learned a tremendous amount from that fight as well I think we're going to learn a lot on Saturday night as to how wild it has come out of that fight against Tyson Fury Yes we saw him blitz dominate Brazil in a single round but this might be a bigger test of that boxing ability that he does have despite what everybody else seems to think and I think that makes Saturday's fight intriguing for that reason alone and it's Walter that makes intrigue and it's all teases Last Stand and more than that more I think you're so right we're going to see if Walter because that 36 minutes last December at the Staples has made him a better fighter but candy on tell you all the change after all this time as a professional will be assessing his fight his rematch against Luis Ortiz in our regular Monday podca