Controller being dampen down the eating right the a 4809 stays close between Bridgewater a to Mt Pleasant This means that 5 bus routes in the area or in diversion inking with 7983 in the $2.00 to $4.00 napped and sheep station remains close and firefighters were also tackling a fine a restaurant on face street which remains blocked fairly mechanical b.b.c. Radio and the next update in half an hour. Radio. Radio. Radio. I'm Katie Shanahan Good evening procurators demonstrators have caused delays and destruction and Kings Cross Station in London British Transport Police said the train station was temporarily closed as police stopped protesters from accessing the tracks there's also an earlier process that cause serious disruption Manchester's Piccadilly Station. Billie's have urged the people of Soulsby to be patient as areas of the city remain sealed off a week after a former Russian spy and his daughter were poisoned the temporary chief constable said he couldn't say when the corners would be lifted traces of the nerve agent have been found on and around the restaurant table where so again Yulia scruple ate last Sunday the Bishop of souls pray the right Reverend Nicholas Hoult him has taken a service for the victims he described it as a violation of the community and said it was important to uncover those responsible I do assume that the number of military involved here at the moment isn't just about making sure Salzberg decontaminated but it's trying to be really clear about where this nerve agent came from and how it might have been administered and I think actually so you can truth and respecting the rule of law is part of a proper Christian perspective on this a 31 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murdering a teenager in north London police were called to a cinema in Wood Green on Thursday. They found the 19 year old with gunshot wounds you say been tossed away he later died it is the 1st fatal shooting in London this year Thames Water customers have reacted angrily to the amount of compensation the company is offering them after being cut off following the bad weather the company says the payouts will be automatic and about the starch to a minimum but Charlie pull out who lives in Kennington and had no water from around a week says the conditions he had to live in were terrible is going to make this flat unlivable you can't be a washing you calm cook past and you do have to end up going out to Tesco bottles of water so don't fill the castle with in Sport England striker Harry Kane had to be substituted with an ankle injury half an hour into Tottenham's $41.00 win at Bournemouth and Spurs manager mercy approach to Tino says he'll have a scan tomorrow we're going to certainly go still we can do. Know what is going to happen with him but we need to wait until to morrow after 2 World War 2 in this country and see my hope that is not a massive Brolin massive issue that is my wish elsewhere arsenal but what 3rd by 3 goals to nil at the Emirates now Georgina Boehner has learned as whether they're through tonight will probably see some rain coming in from the south west mostly affecting western parts of London and temperatures getting down to about 4 degrees Celsius it's a generally cloudy day to follow tomorrow with outbreaks of Sharri rain for much of the day although there will be some dry spells to some just getting up to 11 or 12 degrees Celsius b.b.c. Radio London is 3 minutes past 9. B.c.e. Radio in London at the weekend talked about the by one Sunday school in 2007 double to. Dr Knot about Sundays for my radio. Show 7 Chichi for 2000 this is done on Sunday to go further give a sitcom. Sation and give us your contribution to the conversation we're having tonight I chose 7 City important 1000 we're talking essentially about says subject of colorism as it sometimes no shade ism is sometimes known as well interracial prejudice as it sometimes the 72 for 2000 there is a movie called no shade deals of the subjects and true story dermatologist. And. His behind the movie. Are in majors in the studio she's a model and singer Emmanuel and yammer seek ways in the few days a fan of the British overfill 1st of all and so on Alan is a presenter and writes It can't speak stop u.k. As well. Give us your thoughts on what you've been hearing and also we're going to hear results getting interesting should I say takes take Johnson at it by some things from a school 7. 1000 b.c. Radio love to make. Emmanuel and yeah you have to come and work in discussing and I know you've been trying to come in and give your piece or your perspective for a moment or 2 what we're about to say well I'm just finding the whole conversation fascinating opulent a lot in the yard I've been initiated as we like to think. If you're not learning them or see all of that 1st and foremost. Stop listening to the debate and the kind of diatribe that's been aimed at Irene. Obviously because it's radio people see my reaction to when these comments particularly from the callers have been and I mean. As I said very early on. It's not about aesthetics everyone is entitled to the life that they choose. Social media and I want to talk about the technological age we're not married to social media are married to Claire so when it comes to aspects of my life I have a choice as to who is entitle to know about it now so she would your know should me or my wife with any person I'm going to tell most things that I deem to be important now society the media is seeing this issue as important and I think we have a responsibility as humans tease our means were to accept that everyone has their own take on colorism it's not our fault that the media putting labels on people especially our Caribbean people so it's up to us who are in positions such as myself whether it's running a film festival using the word Been or my wife Claire as a dermatologist it's up to wants to tell our truth and how we see the world so how I mean sees the world through her family through life that's her choice she can speak for herself in the question a very day ssion when she touched on there was a point. Touched on earlier and also touched on the swirl in different ways do we not Nevertheless whatever we say seeking validation from somewhere whether it's from our partners or whether it's from society or whether it's from the political elite or our employers are we not in our very conditions people who seek validation over and beyond how we see ourselves you can say your marriage to Claire Yes but you're married to the rest of us in some way in that we're all on Billick retired are we not and we will. Joji in one way or another and the reason why this is a volatile issue in the black community is tied to our joint history our joint legacies is it not it wouldn't be so much of an issue in the world community or would it that sucks easy in front of Susie is this kind of thing a big do in the world community countries and sadism and. Well I mean I kind of feel a little bit self-conscious as a white woman am I you know am I qualified to comment on this question about my issue of who's who Ok my own personal point of view 'd I don't think that different shades of skin color from the White can mean she looks at the black or as big of an issue for all of a spike might be within the black community because if I want to see any woman whatever shade of skin color she is if she's well going to she's got an amazing ass broke if she just got a great vibe about her the last thing I would be concerned about is how light or dark the skin is. And I wouldn't give her any more or any less respect based on the shading of the skin and I wonder whether it's something that is just of mole importance within the black community from with a role that those looking from the outside people of color I think Irene here was agree with you that when you are 100 percent because we are human and if you want to change the color of the head color that's Ok we are free to do so I mean I think it's all fine I agree with you I think you can do whatever you feel comfortable doing provided it's safe and I think we could not get him to make sure that those children to say that they want to alter their parents' prevent but I'm just saying that right wouldn't right somebody in terms of respect so I would give them more or less respect based on how like the skin is. The 1st. Thanks how it feels and I think. I would be showing. Me around. You know if you're going. To say brilliant women lawyers women of color. But you know that lots of. Beautiful women absolutely say with a shade of scared. To speak and just to give you a little more clarification in terms of how we can really get to the root cause of the topic we're talking about today sometimes our personal experience of the world is not indicative that nature of the world so exactly when you talk about. The 1st lady because of her skin tone she's the 1st lady because she's Michelle Obama a good example to use in terms of specifically when you look at American Media. When she was the 1st lady she was called an ape you can talk Michelle Obama into Google right now as we're having this conversation and you see her depicted as a monkey now that could be simply because she's a black woman because she's a dark skinned black and we don't know but in terms of the perception of colorism within the black community and outside of the black community when it comes from the black community has to do with the media now stupid enough to believe that every single white person isn't in charge of the media obviously you know in charge of the media is not going to be able to talk about the choices that are made of in the media but what you can do is become cognitive of what you see on screen in terms of. Obviously to. One of the best models of all time is obviously Campbell. Look at number one you have to look at the numbers from 3 to 15 and most of the time when you look at advertisement specially when you see some of the lights a complection you. So it's not the it's not the. Was when you look and you know from the. House on fire. You can see that. In the house to see that. There's a 2nd house and the house. You have to be with. Us tonight. I go in that was my conversation I except not lived in I'm not fully qualified one of the things I do is to educate my children to grace all the colors and I thought Michael made I guess a very multicultural. You know they would never judge their friends based on color or that that the color of their skin but we're just one family and we where we're very proud of that sort of attitude but I agree with you and I think a lot of it is education you know within the black community and white people so they're. Able to embrace the different shades. And. The I'm a minority that believes like this that I don't think the whole black community 1st of community does not exist actually it is something that stops us from going anywhere because you know living in a box. Of this kind of community. Simply because I'm a color like you guys a community should be very supportive when you come. To me that's not supposed to be. When we were in front of me when we were going to run the numbers that mean a lot of these Couldn't it and we didn't but we're not if we're not part of this kind of reason we're talking about it but we're not just me it's as I said and it's significant it's an issue that's happening in that where I'm packing and looking up to say thank you thank you thank you we are not. Part of that produces We are looking I under a microscope in this radio station today to talk about it and how it's holding to the black community back Ok And you know does that mean do you understand I don't know that's not the leader in college that I know exactly how do you think I did in my when to me I needed the ideal ending to the conversation in terms of how we want to move forward is if you make a choice of how we're going to do it can we move forward to move because I'm not ready to move forward just. Explaining how we make a choice in terms of how we want to look should be based on I personally have chosen to do this person chosen to put my hand out there so personally chosen to do whatever if your choice is all I think the world will make me so I think the world that said to me if I look a certain way different now if you personally choose to get to you personally change your hair or do whatever buss a personal choice in terms of me as a person I think that's a good thing but if you your choice is influenced by society saying you can do something that's what you have to go with a certain elite is not associated to any society might this with so yes and you you personally chose to wear a suit you can to street lighting great. Just checking just trying to be with your mom but measuring other things those tell you how you anyway Mark you heard Neal this left you know mark up so we can I mean similarities and. Our growth but not on I mean he wanted to add Larry Twentyman you look good mark. Kirk not used to couldn't on the. Other men. I don't no one is talking of her and her but I'm just wrong she was going. To probably produce a problem it's not a problem I'm saying. This is a choice you know. People can stop. You know I just know you've got something about. Our fate cravings. What people how much you know. The author of our you know turn and want people to find this case and what talks talks about that and I think there's a little bit of you know we've accepted it's a different perspective in the white community that we have what's up to that. We aren't talking about black people or the top business like you people what we should be doing should be supporting ourselves. In our among. Straight but because Elizabeth poor you straight back on this issue Ok. Trying to move the conversation forward then if McCool's up again do this put him straight on because he interesting idea. This move the conversation forward to some won't. Is there any harm that comes from using skin lightening creams Irene is any harm the government physical harm Well if you're using on that account the product you know the killer as you know as the day Michael used yourself whereis to me my product down to Harley Street and anybody. Anybody can use my credit once you actually do what is the crime is it all regionally I mean I'm not going to use Doesn't this Cuse out just when I want to know a lot more like a choice if it was an adult chicken pox and you know what it's like. How does it change the color against that you know your skin and you know what threw acid on some of the well it's the don't want to tell you I mean there's a 4 percent I don't condone even one which is you know legal in the one that you can find and by inference and where is the under the counter product can have forget about. What does it actually do that does it remove yourself you know with time I think with maybe 8 of us maybe 6 months or something you with any. Kind of core the same do you know your that's what happened sure but what does it do to sit take off a layer of your skin I don't think it means that you know this is basically. The intensity of the appearance of melanin because that's what make everybody in the world what people would a way to the d.p. Shade of black has mental in in their d.n.a. We have it deeper so the doctor you are paid the more 1000000 they took your skin cancer taken away with millions so it is runs down the menu and. Takes it away but you see why that for me is problematic is because melon is not just linked to the way you look it's also about how sure you want to find chemically as water but it doesn't define chemistry would you want to make sure that people black actually want to make sure that you want to do your it's not that they say this. A fact it links you I can also see how people of experience today take melanin tablets it's not just cream there's tablets that your eye color can lighten and that's why they put this product on the market a few years ago and had to pull it because white women were taken this particular trial and their eye color was change and so 1000 times it doesn't change you permanently that does. Not because from what I really say and that she consistently. Changed her mightily from a crazy Well you have many ways to as you like and I'm sorry I'm going to take a job here you know you have only what I'm talking. Really promoting a book so. I don't from hardware your survey says that you go if you can't honestly what you do and that really isn't talking about so I'm thinking about you know educating women about the risks of this or think these do somehow if you see my d.m. If you're going to see the month of girls the lady will come to me you'll be shocked it's crazy Everybody has not replied they want to get read when I asked regardless of their. Speech. Because your supporters are one of your supporters anyway I read Sir Mark. Can you hear me now we can hear you much better in our good life well you know you go all these products. For white people to lighten the skin and standards to make themselves look darker. Some want to lighten the skin. Problem so we shouldn't just. Because this is worse wants to do. Should be supporting ourselves you know. Cause you know so. If you go to the market. If you shop this all the stuff. Probably no good I was told them to stop so you know stuff. You know those making money out some people Ok Ok and appreciate you telling us about that as well this is a valid point you make it's not just products sold by white people protozoa bar but people it shows you that there is a market for all sorts of different reasons Mark thank you very much why is this issue Emanuel Why is this issue so prevalent in the black community a couple of people have mentioned tonight. That the in Jamaica for example the national motto is out of many one people and part of the reasoning there is as has been mentioned on this program tonight because a lot of people. Had mixed heritage through the enslavement of their in particular their mothers. And also there are Chinese people Syrian people these kind of people in Jamaica as well and we as a community as you was saying you know you kind of touched on it a little bit when you said your mother said the you know this person isn't all that black. Yet we as a community because of all sorts of things the make sure that we've had and the history that we've had and I've always had people in our community of different shades. I myself have one daughter who is darker skinned than the other daughter for whatever reason. It has no bearing on my life whatsoever however where is it has no bearing on our lives when it happens within our families why are we so incensed about the issue of colorism a shade isn't beyond our families there probably isn't a single black person listening to this program who doesn't have various shades of complexion within their family there probably isn't a single one not that I've ever met or encountered So why is it such an issue for us. Why is it such an easy. Well anyone looking at me for example my my brother who's 3 years younger than me is a stalker and we come from the same mom and the same father. And sometimes within the family there is a favorite ism another reason. When I go to Nigeria. The times I have done be looked on favorably be treated like a common royal people by now and my feet throwing money at me as a Cubs that just because you're the light ish idea how can you be sure that's the reason I can be sure that's the reason. Because I speak the language you hear the language and you pick up the conversations and then when you ask afterwards what are they saying Is it because you. Which are yours or your peers Yes your 2nd says ideals of the Europeans being the ground the great stuff that So obviously when they find out I'm actually one of. Them because he's a star really for the purposes of th