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As well of course as it's a phone and of using the phone number and you're very welcome and you might want to talk about this the climate change Forum is taking place in Liverpool this evening it's described as a no holds barred look at the issue from the Earth Summit in Rio to the Paris Agreement it also discussed weather patterns past and present as well as predictions for the future no doubt. What we as individuals can do to help preserve the planet Natalie Bennett is a climate change activist and she's also a former leader of the Green Party should be speaking at the event tonight and she joins me in the studio Hello hi clear lovely to be with you nice to see if Thanks for joining us firstly the most basic question Why should we Claire about climate change well we've heard from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change a conclusion that all the world's governments have signed up to is saying we have 12 years to turn this planet around to turn our societies in economies around to prevent catastrophic climate change climate change that would basically change the world as we know it but what are we focusing on tonight very much talking about is how what we're doing now is we're trashing the planet it's not just climate change it's also the fact we look at Britain is one of the most night should prive countries in the world our insect populations are collapsing the rest of our wildlife are collapsing we've turned our oceans into a plastic sea we have a huge plastic waste problem we're trashing the planet now but we're also creating a pretty miserable society society we've got great problems with mental health great problems with people feeling insecure but certain they can put food on the table keep a roof over their head so my story really is a good news story is we have to turn this around we have to do it in a very short period but by doing that we can also make people's lives far better than they are now and is this something that is a huge issue and it covers pretty much as you've already said every aspect of our lives but it is almost too big for us as individuals to take control of is it down to governments and big business and industry or is it something that that all of us can can do something to it's about I think it's 2 levels I mean all of us obviously as individuals can take individual choices but that on its own is not nearly enough and I'm not personally greatly concerned about individual behavior what I concerned about is system change there's no point in telling to people Oh don't take your car don't drive into town take the bus if there isn't the bus or if the bus you I live in Sheffield and some people are saying you know they can. It would cost $12.00 pounds to take the grandkids into town so for a special treat they spend what extra money into the bus if you have that kind of system then obviously you're forcing people to do things that are bad for the planet if we look at things like you know plastic so much of our food is plastic wrapped and often the plastic food is cheaper the fruit veggies cheaper than the loose stuff that's really damaging and people may not have any real choice so what we have to do is change the system so you know I did you every one I did of into next to recently and someone said I came away thinking that I should spend less time standing in the supermarket aisle worrying about whether I should have dried lentils or tin lentils and which was better and spend that time actually campaigning to change the system in state and it is I mean it's an interesting point you make I think a lot of people are waking up to the different choices and options but at the same time wondering well what difference does it make I mean presumably you'd say it does make a difference if you buy something wrapped in plastic or something that's loose but if you can't afford to loose don't cause yourself anxiety over it exactly that's right that's not your fault that's the system's fault that's forcing you into that position and you have got a saying for everybody relating to climate change and other things that politics should be something you do not have done to you so the best way to tackle this really head on is to say what's happening now is it right I'm going to get together with my friends my colleagues you my classmates and take action and that's what we're seeing happening with things like the climate strike and you interesting I read an interview with Bret Lindbergh The young activist who started the whole climate strike movement off and that's the school students going on strike to demand action and her father actually said that she was very depressed about the state of things and it was actually getting active getting involved getting engaged that made her feel much better made her healthier so if you feel empowered if you feel like you can get together and change things and that might start you know maybe your school if you get given plastic cutlery you create your lunch with start a campaign. Your class makes for proper cutlery for everybody and that will then teach you about campaigning will teach you how to create change and then you can step up to something bigger and something bigger and something bigger after that and do you think that there is acceptance now that those kind of arguments are you know acceptable because I know that there are young people who feel that they don't want to be called a killjoy or you know moaning all the time or seeing the negative if they do you know something exactly as you've outlined that they come pain for a small change in their school do you think that either the head teacher or the the powers that be would be receptive to those ideas now more than they probably have been in the past I think we probably would be a bit I think you one of the things is you know what I said that what we're doing now the trashing we're doing now is creating a miserable society if you're trying to eat a bite potato with a plastic knife and fork you know your lunch taste very good very good you probably won't be out to eat it I don't want to break the knife or the fork as I've experienced it exactly so you know so many of the things we do now are actually you food wrapped in plastic travelling long distances tastes much worse than if it comes you know that morning for a market garden you know just outside town and delivered on your plate that evening it takes much better so so many things we're doing now are actually not giving people you know a decent life even a fun life you know one of the other things that all of these things being interrelated there's a big campaign now for a 4 day working week which would actually significantly cut their carbon emissions people would have to travel less but also then that would give them more time to have fun more time to spend with the grandkids more time to perhaps pursue a Hopi or even more time to do politics and I think it's a that's a fundamental change needed in across the board I can think of a big organization where they've eliminated straws for example but they still expect employees to drive to work and you get all these worker bees turning up in the cars on their own to a massive car park I think you know I presume that you know you think the decisions taken higher up the food chain to. Larry people need to change their starting points if you like exactly and if you look at you this is the way the system change comes in to take for example Nottingham which has long had a workplace parking Levy and they are in Nottingham they've invested that money in really good public transport they have electric buses they have all sorts of great things and a really good tram system and you people actually prefer that being stuck in your car particularly these days when you most of us spend a lot of our time on social media you know when you're driving you can't or at least you shouldn't be updating your Facebook status or sending out a tweet whereas if you're sitting peacefully on the bus you can do that watch that fun new video of a cat you know it can the kitten playing or whatever it might be. It's absolutely dead time when you're driving where is being on public transport making that provision and one of the things I do quite a bit of work with you're paying greens and you see other parts of Europe you know often it feels like in Britain we're not really changing things aren't going anywhere but in other parts of Europe I mean I was in Finland and I caught a bus into the middle of a national park and I got off the bus about 600 metres and saw this magnificent stag crossing the road in front of me now that bus service ran every half hour all day into the middle of the National Park that kind of things possible Antwerp has recently couple of years ago. The center of the city is especially car for essentially you know basically if you're moving house and you need a van to get the furniture in you can you can drive for that but no one drives for anything else except those essential kind of reasons and you know it's wonderful people are saying just how wonderful it is to to get back streets and on some of the streets they've actually taken some of the space and turn them into little local children's playground so what we're talking about things that are really improving people's lives that people do like their cars don't they and I imagine that if we say were able to introduce them about the Liverpool city center for example Enoch we're going to close it to cars there would be a. Huge amounts of pushback from that well I think people people are a set in their ways and their habits and people are used to the way doing things but you know what we saw in network for example I was talking to the green councillor who introduced that and it was hugely controversial the introduction of it lots of screaming there was lots of small businesses understandably concerned about how they'd fare and actually about 18 months later they actually had a city elections and no party said that they wanted to abolish the car free zone people love it so you know change is difficult but we have to change and this is where we come back to the climate change thing we have 12 years that's what the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has told us we have to change and that's going to be difficult of course it is but it's also going to reverse potentially huge rewards and of course you know climate change one of the other side of this the associated with climate change is massive air pollution a huge problem in Liverpool as so many other cities in the U.K. And when I was at the climate talks in credits or in Poland the end of last year at the World Health Organization was they're doing a huge amount of work showing how climate change is linked to air pollution which is causing massive negative impacts on people's health and indeed just overnight we've had a study out showing some new research showing that a pollution has really bad impacts on the mental health particular adolescents so you know we are poisoning our souls with fossil fuel cars the answer is not to just replace them with electric driven cars because you know that doesn't deal with congestion it doesn't deal with all of the other environmental impacts actually the brakes on the tires to produce a pollution what we need to do is replace cars with really good cheap reliable affordable convenient public transport we need to make it really safe and easy to walk and cycle as it is now in the middle of Antwerp and of course what that does to is also tackles there are basically crisis tackles the fact we've got a huge problem with diabetes in the best possible way we reduce the costs on the N.H.S. I'm interested in. Just going by what you said about the individual versus the big organization and you seem quite relaxed about the individual but I'm sure someone who's kind of a prominent campaigner people know who you are you know you can't just out of the decisions you make particularly publicly like if you were seen with a plastic water bottle and you know one used water bottle some one's going to call you out on it I mean you must be conscious of of course I'm well aware that basically if I don't have my. Cup other brands are available if I don't have like a cup I can't have a coffee that's the way they see things but I think you know that can also be you know I can also use my Twitter following in that to highlight you know I'm off to Italy shortly who knows under what conditions it might be even but for you're paying green event and I'm going there by train and you know I'm using the absolute brilliant man in seat 61 website to tell me how to get there I will tell lots of people about but I always get people when I do that saying Oh I hadn't thought about going to Italy by train before oh I can I can do that so you could also use that public profile to actually demonstrate that there are other ways of doing things and the moment now you know there's a real problem in that often usually perhaps the train is more expensive than the plant but that's the wrong way around and we need to change that around and we also need to make it is easy to book a train journey as it is to book flights and at the moment you know it requires a bit more if and you obviously travel the world well you apply have a long walk so it's not something you know it's not a conscious decision not to go outside Europe because of the impact on the climate of you taking those longer journeys Yeah I mean I and I do I have occasionally flow and when I've actually had to for what I think of good reasons but I think about it very hard and you. Know lots of people are now signing a no fly page for 2020 now my father is still in Australia that's where the accent comes from if anyone's wondering and you know I don't feel like I can fly and I fly page big sign and I fly page because who knows what might happen that's a possibility but I will only do it if it really. Feels like essential and it's really worth it so I think that's the thing is you know I mean one of the things that you know I think a lot of organizations have been promoting is the idea of a tax that goes up exponentially every time you fly so every family can get one flight a year without extra tax being put on it but then you next flight has a lot more tax and because basically about 50 percent of Britons in any one you don't fly it's people who are flying a lot that are really creating the problem and what about carbon offset because I've seen you know in years gone by this was something people would do so they take a flight than they contribute to a carbon offset scheme or they contribute money for a forest planting scheme but recently there's been a bit of negative publicity about that so just explain a bit more around Well I think you would be if this was the idea a few years ago or we can just basically continue with business as usual and we'll just make up for it by planting a few trees the fact is we have to plant those trees that's absolutely crucial for climate change but also if you buy the over the city the state of our natural world but we can't keep doing the policing as well it's not an either or We actually have to do both of those things so you know if you have a business and you absolutely have to fly some of the good reasons here one of my favorites is if you think of you know some. He's developed a new operation and he's flying down to Africa to train lots of Surgeons it no one's going to say that should happen but it's a good idea to offset it but you know what we have to do is stop doing the damaging things there's just no easy way out there's no there's no cost free option you know every bit of carbon emitted is out there and he's up there for a long time OK Well thank you so much for coming in to talk to us. If you want to hear more of what nothing has to say and indeed if you want to speak to her about climate change then she'll be some Michael's Church in Liverpool this evening 6 o'clock for a 630 start the event goes on until 930 I'll leave those details with the A team if you didn't catch them and you want to find out more then you can get. 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