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Hi I am who I am in Bombay at the moment Mumbai at the moment but I am from Bangalore and as of now yes gangs thank you very much indeed and from across the border we have shied Hashmi sad Whereabouts are you in Pakistan at the moment. I'm in care actually very very nice part of the world to be in China let's start with you firstly because the momentous you have a Pakistani politics Imran Khan becoming the prime minister of the country How's he finding that transition from cricket to politics I mean he's been in politics for quite a while. A player countervailing game all the career politicians are in that office they are facing trial for the brightest the large city of President Asif Ali Zardari and Imran Khan is so passionate about the 4 things he bringing back the corrupt money from around the world so their subject than can be lifted to education security and number 4 cricket and ask a question should if Imran Khan had not been a very successful cricketer would he be the prime minister of Pakistan a very very difficult charismatic cricketer. Who. Face off for Pakistan cricket and face off for a while cricket also had he not been a cricketer you would have been a social worker. A teacher union somewhere in the world but may not be a prime minister John if we look at India we've had a tradition of activism and actresses moving into politics what about cricketers. There have been some that have sort of given it a shot at the last election. Who played for India. You know briefly Test match is a good sizeable number of one day internationals he had 4 elections he wasn't very successful because the new government that was coming in was saying exactly the same thing that saying across the border so that's another sort of story by itself but yet we could not have tried because they use this stuff to try and become sort of celebrities but more movie stars I think that's the thing that cricketers haven't yet reached that Baskin of who were popular and it is that you get you know . We have a new but popular cricketer in India Mr Kohli would you make a good prime minister which which Indian cricket do you think would make a good prime minister of the country. I love my bicep because I'll sort of go by the generation that I covered the Mort I would see in terms of his ability and his . Sort of his his range of interests and stuff like that to probably be someone like a. Great Prime Minister Abbott street but again Prime Minister it will have he wouldn't have his deputy prime minister would be. Good at what he would not want to be on his cabinet I don't think. Yes Well you know some of that kind and I think that a lot older generation of players Letterman like a right of view of the world does now nowadays I'm sorry. But. They don't get to have that someone like he can I do you know I'm sort of looking back on. Those. Names you had that why don't we seem to be able to run that but now the Indian cricket sort of be involved in politics and social work and things of that but now that Indian cricket is just so much money it's like. It's such a great profession to be involved in that no one really wants to try any other profession and it's a good enough profession for life pretty much for this life next life for many lives I think to be perfectly honest with you with amount of money they're earning less move on to a more difficult question. To stand went to the I.C.C. To get compensation because there's no India Pakistan series at the moment they weren't successful in that are we likely now that Imran Khan is the prime minister of Pakistan do you think to see a greater attempt to resume relations between these 2 countries cricketing relations. Definitely because Imran are so passionate about cricket so passionate about playing. So definitely things will improve it was sort of a stupid thing to do taking India to the dispute resolution committee because the case was very vague and one manager and city he told the case was very strong although the and more use sign was definitely an intent not an agreement and after that the more you a lot of people. Tried to stop Morgan City but the board of governors then approved that case so all this is now passed in 100 definitely trying to level best in its 1st week when we were speaking with its prime minister he said that if India will take one a step to take 2 steps in running the person who says God speed is all there when you say that if the result is an understatement for one so definitely we will try his level best to prove relations with India because you can change your neighbors . The best possible way for both India and Pakistan to be friends once again and resolve all those issues which have become how the relations what sort of financial impact is not playing in on Pakistani cricket because it's such a huge money spent on when it comes to T.V. Rights. It's a huge issue when you say that one for $3000000.00 dollars busy again with understatement not games against India since 2007 our son cricket board already said that the Kurds losses to the tune of $1.00 to $3000000.00 dollars busy again I think that this is less so than what has suffered definitely every team wants to clean the they have got the money they have got the ball out of cricket. Everyone if you asked anyone in Pakistan it was anyone in in India or anyone any friend of cricket around the world they would say that. Is the ultimate in cricket so definitely Pakistan has lost a lot of money financially as well as cricket wise but says the start of the ascent they have recovered a lot of money this is the box on version of the sort of T 20 S. . That busy we are on the lines of 5 below the idealist 10 times bigger than father son Super League but it leaves punks turn Super League is giving money to the bug and Cricket Board just $2.00 days ago will be assigned to the television rights agreement to the tune of $26000000.00 for 3 years which is. Very good money for bonds and cricket will not be as good as in India because India is a 10 times bigger than Pakistan so MONEY coming up Chad that there is though on the Indian side it's very unlikely that way Guinness and improve we're going to see cricketing relations starting again bilateral cricketing relations and because of the recent I.P.L. Auction again no Pakistani players involved. Yeah it's going to it's been quite a. Sort of negative policy that just started a few years into the I.P.L. And let's continue with there's been no effort to try and sort of you know turn back on that and make a change and actually make it. Make cricket work in a positive way to keep contact with the countries going. Under the streams thing is you know so you have a player like I said my mood who has it I think he has a British passport who will come and be part of the idea but it's the Pakistani and he's a Pakistani and the but of course it's a Pakistani player with a Pakistani passport one of the logic that is he doesn't play in the I.P.L. In the last 4 or 5 maybe 6 years. You know the government has changed does it really hostile and and kind of hardline stance towards anything in Pakistan you could just been you know to the point of we need to listeners. That you don't see there being any sort of change taking place previously in the process of the cricket board to kind of use it to. Leverage our more stand and be in talks with the government to see what can be done but now it's like you know we've got idea. We've got the big golden goose and it doesn't matter if you don't get back to something it's very very unfortunate. That we don't have these days for example you know I really had the world 11. On the international I think that was a limited or as much as there was no Indian in that world 11 team that that played because of the same reason so it's like there is this wall that's been built up and everyone knows that it doesn't mark politics and it involves governments but you know we need to kind of work your way around it like I mean because any sportsman any business not be able to travel freely not not really it's tough getting results and things like that they get them and they don't get them you know so the Pakistani hockey team played at the hockey. Up in a bubble. Of 2 weeks ago or so that's fine but it's just it's absurd that it's been allowed to be sort of manipulated like this are we looking at the end of cricket is because cricket has always been a diplomatic 2 between these 2 countries we were having all of the match that the World Cup semifinal in Mohali which with which is a great match which is a cricket occasion but with a much bigger occasion than that are we going to see that again do you think in the next 5 to 10 years or we moved away from it now I hope we haven't moved because you know that would be just completely tragic you know I hope this is not it's not a position where. You ask a lot of journalists. And. Everyone to our booking tell them apart or were to Pakistan all the ones that each other not. Just optimistic that something will turn things around because it is it is very you know it's very tenuous and it kind of sparks off and becomes this big international you know Patriot Games kind of issue. But I just hope that there will be a week or conditions to sort of. I mean opposition and for just generally the atmosphere to improve you would hope so because there's no benefit to fighting each other you know in United Nations or whatever it is you having these arguments. In law living in war does it really sort of seem that a number of things to do with an M.P. I mean I'm sorry I forgot to bring his name up. Prime Minister at any point. A Member of Parliament I don't think you are a minister I think the bird behind you has more chance of being Prime Minister than I have to think. So I compute people are to him he's huge parties at the moment but he went to work for inauguration that was fantastic you know and he said rather are and of embracing and girls and all that so. We would just hope that there is enough enough there and there are people there to help things because we know that the players will have a problem it's just that when the government get involved become sticky and of course you leave the Pakistan border. To them and the jingoism gets stronger and stronger because at the border are just about kind of enemies and hostility and all that and as you head eastward you get more and more patriotic in mortar commerce you know. Who are always hopeful I'm always hopeful about starting again that the could you tell us a little bit about the bird that is near you because it's by the sound of it it seems very long. It's a very loud noisy crew and I think you have left now they found they had enough of your analysis of the India Pakistan situation they can't bear to hear my voice and what they've just gone through this is like one of. It's like the Hitchcock kind of I am the anti Hitchcock kind of Hitchcock movie. That is needed to drive. Shine opens where you think of the moment but because India and Pakistan are not playing so often will that make the World Cup encounter even more special because they will play in the World Cup in England next year. All they will Congress in the multi-national government have become so great on you because in the end doesn't want to be the relief you recount the 1st batch of the Champions Trophy I saw all the. Selling the goods to Indians because they were this understand lose the 1st match and then become the final. Fall Guy if you will because of a pox on. All the buzz and I'd not be going in the multi national don't know meant but yes of course the world is waiting for the June 15th game between Pakistan and India at Old Trafford trying to buy tickets 10 times bigger than the prize than the actual price so have all these why does it become so important and so sensational because Indian banks are not playing as easily if you recount the 2015 World Cup games of 2011 World Cup while a game all these games have become slow to Christine and so sensational only because of that French and just a people who may be confused because of the Indian government's policy at the moment it means that there is no bilateral relations but they will play an I.C.C. Sponsored tournament so they play in the Champions Trophy T 20 World Cup and the 50 over World Cup show there's a lot of debate I mean here of course in England people talk about the ashes as being the great cricketing series but in terms of actual number maybe passion do you think India Pakistan goes beyond that. I think so you know I know people get upset about it in England your listeners it's OK people no problem. You know the US is the greatest thing that there is and we just lock up at the Citadel so let me never go to war several times you know it didn't happen never happened I what they want country. Cousins brothers friends so on and so forth. I think it is all it is a very special. It's sort of tied in with. You know. In the past and there's a great affection and and mutual admiration. Everyone keeps saying these things that you know what if there was no partition of India imagine I could get. When I was. Indian batsmen and Pakistani possible and. Not too bad but. Australia so we have kind of 5050 in Australia at the moment so I think it is it is perhaps one of the most extraordinary sporting libraries across. You know across. 7 across even I think. You know leagues in Jabot Gyp's and all the because there's nothing like it I don't think there's anything like it. You know of course US and Russia are playing ice hockey but it's not the same team you know USA and. People. Exactly. So it's you know it's that the state of being a seem sort of. Assume people are similar people language culture and all the rest of it I know a lot of people in insulted that don't get the big I now live in Bangalore don't get the big deal that it is but they understand that you know this is something that you don't argue about you just say it's a good player and go on with. The whole issue of them playing bilaterally also in these big. You know and when Michael actually went because I imagine that the Pakistan team cannot comment play a match in India but they can play a World Cup match in India and just to go back literally few kilometers across the border from Job prime ministers watching. It's become so absurd but it is it's incredible it's something that. I don't think any of us thought even matching it in in that sense it's also important isn't it that this we see a resumption in relations of possible between these 2 countries because it would be good for Test cricket and whilst in South Asia there's a huge amount of interest in T 20 cricket in the 50 over game Test cricket is struggling in both countries I mean Pakistan you're not playing at home very often and we going to see a change in that in the next few years or is that going to be difficult as well. Because tests cricket is one formative being threatened by one day international more so by. International so. Scripted very definitely benefit. The a period lot of Test cricket passed on to clear a lot of Test cricket country test really test matches this year but of course they played that's for a start. It will definitely help Test cricket it will definitely help Pakistan cricket team because at the moment India is number one best team in the world so that will definitely help Pakistan and let's start. Playing Test cricket all the great international. Very very disappointing that in 2015 India did not create a series. Because that. Was the 1st to start a bilateral treaty between India and Pakistan China. With no demand with no countries really touring Pakistan what sort of impact has it had on cricket in the country I mean are you seeing it do you think it added a youth level does it mean that cricket is is not as popular as it used to be if they had that sort of impact or is it still the game that dominates in Pakistan. Cricket is huge evolved here in Pakistan but of course it. Was badly hurt. In the mind my own son born in 2000 that knows him he started going cricket in 20072001 cricket was not great in Pakistan before his eyes he says to something else now is doing computer really we started playing badminton he left cricket so a lot of young players young cricketers. Took to other games a whole generation of luxury cricketers is not on the on on the grounds like a touch of a gazelle or played. A Test match. So. Badly about hopefully Pakistan and in. Next year's series which we start the championship for Pakistan they are looking at 2 Test matches in Pakistan against your no. Child in India Test cricket also faces an uncertain future because of the I mean I spend a lot of time in Kolkata Eden Gardens used to be full for every Test match now they struggle to get 5 or 10000 people in something has to be done to try and get the popularity of that format of the game back up with young people in particular. Yes . There's another sort of move to try and make it go to sort of smaller grounds and smaller places on the ground but when I when I cricket when it why not have Testaments is a man and I did use a factor but they could do it yeah yeah absolutely but you know it's not to lose a shortage of ground in India I thought there must be something like 50 international quality ground. And it's not that there's a shortage of floodlights because all those grounds are limited or as much as I get people ARE do watch most of them. But I don't know what the UK if you get off. The cricket board and stewards deny Test cricket because it's a great idea and fundamentally a lot of people in Indian cricket. Agree with you know the primacy of. All the right things they have a chance if you have been I test match of the series that's on in Australia right now and they said no so I don't understand that sort of why have you refused that rive you said no let's not play in a deal like this what is the what is the book you want there when are you going to do it you know people. Like you see all the time it's one sport which is. Only 10 countries you know why don't you guys look out for each other rather than saying well we're not going to you know we're not going to get in I take it in in Australia or whatever but the snow with change on they were slow on T 20 cricket they were slow on D.R.S. And the slow one on day night as well which which is strange for a country that so passionate about the sport. The people that are passionate about this particular of the millions of people that are watching it and they mean the fact that the cricket board. Which runs the store now things of itself as running apparently government on a country by itself and therefore you've got a court case that's on a huge dramas going on there but what may have happened to the point is that they got into it as locks last subtle for a leader with any kind of foresight about the world game it's all in the word game and how you can be a part of being all that keen you know whether it was Be honest stories or went on for 10 years almost 10 years. 2020 story was you know didn't take very long to just completely die down until India won the World T 20 in 2007 but the denied one if you want the leader to be there who's got who's not going to bow to the superstar player you know he has to say I'm thinking of cricket you know so I'm thinking of say people like John Di MEO that was the guy who had many thoughts about this wasn't one of them he was he wanted the world game to get bigger. And this is one reason so that's what they're looking for you know sort of a leadership across even the plain community and across the administrative community to say that OK this is what we need to get in and do because Indian cricket now is a very efficient a functioning machine things are going on despite the fact that there's a big court case and there's. Always something happening in Indian cricket other very quickly thank you so much for joining us when will we see those cricketing relations resume in the in Pakistan next year year after. It could be you know if it could turn in 24 hours that I would that's the way Pakistan cricket works it would literally done in 24 hours are but let's try and. Hold it in this New York comes up say within the next 3 years giant What do you think next couple of years. If it is definitely because we are the non-con. 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I mean it's why you love Christmas and Hanukkah Yes I do yeah definitely I like to eat food I'm not you know when it's right it's because my routine is so sure it's my diet. During Christmas is the any time that I can like eat all of the car and I'm out there all right try to Christmas who really people no I don't know we we don't have to Fridays I know how Christmas morning traditional English are no no no no what are you guys do you have trouble. Then action that. Can be and. I was away and I was. Don't even address me without calling Bennett you know I swear to god the Christmas is about to. 6 let you hand out sometimes and it depends really if it's like a massive family thing because there's like different courses in like like when I'm I'm with all of my cousins that will have like Ben and chin and loads of different things so yeah what about you just planted a plant in. 2018 go she's gone so quickly what's the thing that you guys are most proud of this year so I am proud of the fact that I finally moved to Holland for a year to work with my previous catch and when I had to come with games to season I was team captain which I was so proud about Saudi co-captain cause tumbles we're going to come from on it and it was it was a massive achievement because I've never been like a captain of like a team team on the team is massive so go for me so just like be there and support but also born while I didn't perform I wanted to kind of perform by my own standards but then you also put in a position where you were. You've had a bad performance you also have to lift up the rest of the squad which is difficult at times so that when I came home from a phone call Miles I was like gosh I just want to end the season I don't know what's going to happen by summer. Given that I have had a fantastic season so also able to 10 things am I won the national championships on British champion in the 400 mi is they should have most. Which was amazing I think that's probably one of the best races I've ever compete in in my career one of the best definitely top 5 AM So that was fun and I enjoyed it and I went to go to pee and I collect just I know that my. Time to go through ups and downs and sometimes when you feel like you being tested and child and you just got to push through them Ottawa and I'm men and I'm privy to that oh you're incredible. Oh I am proud of you from my job I'm just kind of I'm doing soft I actually I'm really passionate about and what human projects like this and other soft I'm doing that I'm just really excited about. Yeah I never thought I'd be able to be in a position where I'm writing it off or speaking it off but it could pay the bills and now is so you know about 6 and then we have the 2nd festival as well and it just really showed that this is flyable one misses something that you know we're just going to keep building on so. I think probably establishing my own identity away from me Apprentice slowly but surely because it is hard when you kind of thrust into a kind of mini spotlight where people associate one thing with you but apart from not just establishing my own identity in terms of public speaking people really getting to know me without any editing I guess how to few. 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How would you thank you thank you for having me no thank you for coming now if you don't know collect She Firstly why not she is an actress she's a dancer and creator of the Say your mind podcast which launched about a year ago I guess she's just finished her last episode but will be traveling around the world with a sort of a listen so here was say your mind sounds like you're not alone like I thought myself when I started speaking out a lot more that oh my god people are going to think I'm crazy in this and that and I'm angry and blah blah blah blah blah and yeah some people do actually think that but you know that you know what they can you know I'm going to say that because through me speaking out I've gravitated towards off of people who believe in what I believe. Your answer to all no I just thought you know what Tony Marston says that if this. Book that you want to read that hasn't been written yet you need to write here and I felt like I felt that way with part cause I loved the part cost that were out but I just didn't think that there was that part cost for me that was just like covering the things that I wanted to cover in the way that I wanted to cover it because I mean we all speak about similar subjects but then my take on it would probably be a bit different so I just wanted that in the world and I framed it is like I want to create a podcast for people that don't really like listening to podcasts I need to get other women's voices in not even just other women but just primarily other black people and brown people get their voices in as well because I always say Welcome baby boys a baby girls and baby non-binary I can only speak on so much and I really have my experiences and I try to have guests on the show to share their experiences black women who might be different in France different in Spain different in Stockholm I mean I did feel that was a cool episode I want to branch out especially America as well I feel like the understanding of black women who differs there and so I'd like to have chats with people. Online as well and what do you think and with your biggest challenge to share I think definitely without a doubt my biggest challenge the C.A.A. Was having a miscarriage that was my biggest challenge because I am someone that believes that . When I set my mind something I get it done and this is something that I didn't have control over it was a really humbling experience and a massive learning experience for me as well and I guess it allowed me to access a level of vulnerability that I would have access otherwise had I not had that experience and push myself into an understanding of myself an understanding of loss and understanding of grief and being able to share on the podcast because a lot of black women don't talk a lot women don't talk about miscarriage but more most especially black women don't talk about miscarriage or with seen as mothers and Bertha's and things like that not with the whole mommy stereotype and things like that so it seems like it should be natural and. This is part of nature actually but it was important for me to share of up and bring more people together in that conversation and I think that actually that was the pivotal moment for my part cos when I realised that actually I want to be as open and honest and vulnerable as possible because if we don't share these things then other people are suffering in silence so I think it was wonderful that Michelle Obama she spoke in her interview about going through I.V. F. And things like that the more that we talk about these things it just takes the stigma away and we're actually allowed to live our life and ask questions so I suppose wasn't biggest thing they were trying to achieve in 2019 this lots of things that you mentioned it before you what's the what's the biggest the biggest thing I'm trying to achieve in 2019 is to be in Black Panther 2 Why yes I. Think you are right Jane because. It's why somebody is and I write a I me I might be you know I'm ready to light my train Brazilian Jiu Jitsu I can bring about a combat training to that saying you know you have to shake you had the yeah I mean to me are clippers Like I said I had to sort out and talk about it on them collect you know it's so lovely to meet you know you did so much about. Christmas episode. Come on everyone. Can be this and I'm proud to. Be Missing this is active on B.B.C. Radio 5 Live B.B.C. Sounds it's time to welcome Christmas gas number 6. Oh yeah. How you guys OK. Well I can think of how I'm going to go if I think the people who say OK I know you didn't like it when you said people who. Yes OK me pretty. Things wrong not that I. Was. Was. It your letter that you that we said at the nights that I do my harmonies never it was like when I started say crack a letter and everybody always got to me excuse to sing Can you just stop the. Car I'm sorry my reaction was This is our collective If you don't if it's all real serious what actually is a journalist and one home black girls live in pod cast and here is a little taste of your podcast a few weeks ago and I was just like tell my friend basic I'm having like quote I question. I'm all I don't know maybe I am I am much me. And she was just like. I'm not like we. Never have guessed so that's the thing about social media. Because you called just like you defend I know you don't use you for 500 talk. So you know you're very far is going to be so now you tell me you host the podcast like really really good friend Jasmine she's sorry funny I think that the way we started it was like jumping with semi's voice knows why you have to put cos you're so funny . So such like that's why I was just say easy to list Yes thank you but. Black girls living there an AMAZING think you want to tell us like why you started it how everything is going with us yeah so I mean just to send it to a voice and it's random stuff like already be upset break it up and then we're also told by mental health and then one day just recently this really funny voice and if you listen to put cos you see how funny Jasmine's and the ladies are because how do you even think about this that some of the reason just like Jesus everybody needs to have this. So yeah we just fool I said one day you should make a point cause like with your with your voice. Let's do it and I thought was a joke and then we found studio time we found the name. An end to going really well a lot of people message me a lot thanks for being open to your mental health that's you know really inspiring we don't receive but can talk about it and it is it is removing because just like you there we think you're making an impact we didn't go in it's been all we're going to change to. Raise awareness whether we just wanted to talk and just rubbish essentially saying it's so important that it is about men's health we did an episode last week we did have to sort of I would say and it's I think isn't it still as black people we don't generally talk about say before you then go into Park us was any sense of trepidation or because I know you I've written can we shoot you wanted to mention Yes the area I work at I knew. Victoria works I as well so we see any trepidation from moving from written form to kind of talking from you know it's very different because a lot people like you know I've been reading your work theists but I didn't know you spoke didn't know about you you know what's funny quite funny I was talking funny. People said you were funny yeah I just didn't really think that I was but I was like most of my journalism is like reporting so it's like you can't I can't we transcend that for reporting So yeah I guess it's kind of cool for I get to show a different element of myself sometimes we go in that we don't even have an agenda we're going to talk about it's just literally shenanigans I think we were like include different elements like have people who are send us questions and make you interactive So how do you plan out your episodes like how do you come to like this is what we're going to discard Yes And so because it's a pop culture and mental health class I will evolve screenshot things I've seen in the news I like heroism Oh my God let's talk about this because I know Jasmine and have theories I think is going to be hairy So what's your biggest aim for 29 C. With it I think that we just keep doing it because sometimes there's like you know life things that happen you know how can I even be bothered to recall today or because sometimes I have been a student I'm like oh my God I actually really anxious was. Very heavy hearted but just like just keep going to a feeling I think we were in pride magazine which need she blew my mind can gang bang these guys. So I suppose maybe more features would you think about getting gas because I feel like yes he is like trend in like that my use different like and yes I could have going on the oh OK I was a Tory and you know it's lovely thank you so much for coming in I'm just so pleased and kind of this black Bronco podcast is going to read nice onscreen a song suggest I was something before but it's just a whole new trend I think to let you point out something really interested before when she was saying that you know what we do all. The same complection variations we are all different on the many things that we talk about so it's really important for your podcast so your mind and also on next Christmas guys coming in who Broncos polkas and so victorious a new C. But God live in thank you. Bruce B. That's a good amount I'm sure out. And right. To. Say. It is the Christmas episode of the SR collective on B.B.C. 5 Live and B.B.C. Sound we ought to cast down just one more to go welcoming on this Christmas. Welcoming at least evidence and child you from Brown goes to. Their. High level and so who is who if we don't know who I'm Ilesha and I'm a crap thank you for having. Let's have a listen to your podcast before we have a little chat it's still an example of telling the story representing just. Change and yeah I'm not a spice of the. Season in the free for all about cities like gas. Getting so much but that's only me we need to season off so season oh I'm going to . Rates among just a right yes. So for those who don't know just tell us a little bit about your podcast and what led you guys to setting so I mean it cracked when we were doing our masses at the University of Manchester and we just kind of as soon as we met each other we were just talking about everything politics pop culture just long conversations and then she comes to me with like do you want to be part of podcast and I was like yeah OK cool it was on the same value as it so many of the conversations that we had and you're centering around our own experiences and obviously like between the 2 of as we cover quite a bit because I was the operator gotten in and you're a Catholic and I'm a Muslim and where and Pakistani and yeah and we realized that there are so many things that we can talk about we both bring unique perspectives to it definitely like have in some northern voices more often than not we tend to agree and even if we don't necessarily necessarily agree in the exact same way we're coming right from what you said 2 different perspectives it is men's lives so it's not it's not a conversation she said OK Have you thought by this way yeah and then I thought I might OK No I haven't but have you thought about from this present specked if there are certain like facets to your friends you don't see until you sit on have these conversations and it's been really really lovely if courage is just so knowledgeable and so articulate in the way that when she but she can get across to even she's passionate about it about it like we're having a conversation I'm learning she'll drop in a fact from Mike 864 and I'll be like that's amazing that definitely backs up what we're talking about there are so many amazing people are on our radars and so we want to have conversations with them so we've covered like a really wide range like the 9 episodes that we've done this year so everything from we sat down with Syrian refugees who had to start an underground newspaper. And she was talking about her experiences of like sneaking around under the regime and trying to inform people of what was going on but we've also sat down with people in our local communities who are doing amazing work about lifting the voices that spoken over. Also you know we talk about race we took them listen we took representation you know we talk about even things like adult in like you know these have been last 5 years have been very transformative. And what are you looking forward to in the next 2019 begin to have. We've always said that we just don't want to take over the world. You know well yes more than girls but you know we're really excited because we've recently starting what shops which is the really cool . Conference in man just about divesting inclusion in sex and relationships education as we're bringing our own experiences to that we're bringing to our parents about it as well which has been really really fascinating quite often Muslim parents or parents my South Asian background well that pull the kids out of optional sorry classes and I sat with my mom and I was like I never thought I'd have this conversation with you but you know why do you think that is my mom was like well people just automatically hate the word sex and like Oh no absolutely no but when you say a parent down like oh it's about consent it's about what a healthy relationship looks like you know and it sometimes with the younger kids it's like having the awkward conversations about puberty that you might not want to have with your kids I'm almost like and if you framed it like that you know everyone sign off like absolutely please please teach my kids this so that was a really opening conversation Yeah I think with my mom it was definitely especially with sex relationships I never had that talk with her when I was in high school but my brother he's 4 years younger than me like definitely glottal he got from mom and dad and I was like so there's also gender dynamics that come into play with who gets what information what time but you know apart from like workshops and so like that we start making scenes which has been really fun yet just record more have more conversation and meet more people to hear me do more stuff like this. I'm very serious Oh sure Christo you were doing are you well. I'm really lucky I'm spending Christmas up in the northeast. So yes it will be really lovely I've not re celebrate Christmas for many years so last year was my 1st. Business out of retail and you best believe that enjoyed it and I was always whacking and I was like wait a 2nd I don't have to work Christmas Eve I have to work and you see Christmas Day This is amazing this is also on the says to January they said my God told me that it's since you came to this country. Like it wasn't for me none of you would be even. As I am not enough wrong so I think it might have. Been his siblings because he was the 1st one to come and they all followed so he's like I start this comes out right me like you know I mean. Ladies thank you so much for coming in I wish you and we all wish you the most success with the podcast and everything else that you say and it's 29 C. In. And in the show don't poke us thank you. Must be on a. 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