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Radio Norfolk so I feel it's already till 10 and we love it here on the show when we get the opportunity to talk about projects that are good for our well being we love chatting about well being and my next guests to hit talk about how they help to improve that is through getting creative So Holly Sandford is co-founder of ot at work and not for profit organization which puts on sessions to support mental wellbeing and she's joined by Sarah Streeter his hands those sessions and is also involved in the creative research project into North his ship industry so how does that would be welcome but if you buy one of your internet banks are going to get what is art it was when did it start was it come from out of work started 2 years ago they were a community interest and company and say Me and my colleague Mel He's fantastic. And we studied together 10 years ago so we did a degree in arts and well being and and then when we went our separate ways did like different projects to automobiling and then kind of decided that we kind of ready to to to kind of pull in something to ourselves and became art it worked 2 years ago so now what do you do after work and community projects which is what anything to do with arts and wellbeing and we wrap so we run into funded projects I we do it in like an arts working project meeting an arts and Heritage Project and we're just doing a general arts and wellbeing grapes we do 3 different groups a week with women but we also deal like community projects and put them into sessions and we sort of run it's a fashion up cycling area Nattie and we do things. The Lord Mayor's consequence to making so were quite broad ranging and I think the with lots more being Tell me about the sessions that you run during the week then what they like what happens like a say we do like on a Wednesday we do an arts and Heritage Project to choose funded by the Heritage Lottery and we're researching the history of the noise shoe industry but it's it's a creative kind of research projects we found a lot when we work with struggle wood to do kind of like traditional research methods a way we use art and. Different kind of sculpture we're making map of this you Industry like a visual map and with it we're taking people's own histories but it's just making it a little bit more approachable and we've just had a storyteller in wood with a storyteller to sort of show us the history of the the pushy factory and so it's just working in a slightly sort of softer gentler way in the amazing and how do people come to see how do they find G M So people come through mental health trust and 3 different housing associations and a lot of the women we're working with were possibly could sweethearts which my fans and Mel she was part of and that folded and we had like up a whole group of women have been accessing sui arts for like maybe up to 8 sort of 8 years and so we didn't really leave them and that's partly why we became a community interest company because we didn't you know just to sort of create something really fantastic and then just leave people sort of hanging when it's such an important part of their lives that I was going to guess that. Arts and well being Did that have always gone hand in hand what do you think the benefit is of our well being I think it's I think thinking creatively and when you're in that mindset so when you're creating. You're not just thinking about the every day and then I think we can personally I find if I'm being artistic creative that life is just a bit easier and you just you know you're looking at things differently you're looking at the colors of things or you're you know you're you're thinking or you think you could do with things well think example down in the every day I think is really good for mental. Health and also I think being integrate with other people is really especially group of women is it's really supportive of people that can understand where you're coming from and so I think that's really a positive thing because it really sounds very positive and Sara what's your experience of how did you come across at work and I came across because I was a member or sweethearts So I met name Ellie through that and then I met only went after what started it and what was sweet I was just explained to me. Sweetheart's was a similar group to our chemist ladies getting together big creative and supporting each other so you were already doing that and then after work started and what Sessions do you attend I tend to choose Day morning to drop in session at the most cutting and on a Wednesday morning with part of the. Research Project and I really enjoy it now. Tell me a little bit about that one and if there are always ready sort of laid the foundations of what you guys do what how have you found that so far you know much about the Syrian the street before you started I didn't know that much about the share interest rate but what I have to scuff it is that she worked as she factory so I've had some funny stories from. And I think we've all kind of taken different parts of what we want to the project and often look and stopped right. Mainly and would now OK you know map together make it a little model factories go in the map Wow Is that a good deal like working in 3 D. Or 2 D. Was he also preferred art form and I watched everything read by kind of trying different things and also quite a lot of mixed major things just lots of different techniques together you mention line cutting as well as us something need to us and you've done for a while I've done this in the past I haven't done it so much recently that's quite it's quite good put it sunk in tick is working up the design and how that's going to translate when you print. And each week are you meeting up with the same people in a group and meeting new people was the kind of friendship or community like within on a Tuesday the drop in sessions there's sometimes new people that come in which is ready it's a new people come in and it's usually the same as of course few of us that attends race to 8 weeks on the Wednesday there is it's a set amount of people so it's the same people that come in I think well the thing that's been very beneficial for me is that it's friends with some of the women of known through sweethearts or not at work so we do things outside of group as well as amazing like I have tools over the life impacting stuff and this and what what do you get out of it how important is it for work for you it's good for me to have a change or in the wake so built in change the mornings and Wednesday mornings has been going to alter what I think it's important to even if I'm having a bad thing I and sometimes it's more important than going if you haven't a good day because you benefit from the support of the old ladies melancholy and the volunteers all right it's a safe place to play I could be here but I am how the feeling on that day it's a good thing it's great it's but people are there to support each other. And to feel like. I think it's amazing that if you are having a bad day that this is something that still might have a seed to guarantee it must mean that you really value it I do really value it it's just it's just a great group of women that were getting to know each other yeah like you say it's a safe space as well and about the kind of what you want if you're being creative and you have to so it's a little bit about the. She was. Industry project they're working on have you got any other projects and pipeline committee who. Are really enjoying doing the kind of heritage project and I think that's something we'd like to take further So we're going to go for we don't forget it we're going to go for a bigger bed hopefully looking at Norwich fashion in general the output it's been so good and the women have been so engaged in like the work that people have done I said like to Sarah we gave her sketchbook and Mike to fill up and buy like 3 which like and I have another one just like. You say people like do so much in their own time and I think the heritage has been a new thing for us but it's been really interesting and it's just so you get to learn and sort of combine with that creativity so we prepare for quite a big project if we get the funding that would be fantastic and what happens to all of the artwork I mean obviously you have your own personal artworks that you create a D. Have exhibitions with people yeah we try to have like exhibitions that I'd like an exhibition of at the end of every project of some sort we've just had one and we did a project in combination with back to form an art center for adults learning difficulties and so we had this part that you can studio we've had an exhibition at the she factory and we'll have sums of exhibition I'll show you case day at the end of every project so I think it's really good to kind of share what these guys are doing is really high quality really good work and you know and I think that's part of their feeling good about you we also did recently put it on suffragette and I was reading gauging they had been in an exhibition at the end of that so that was mainly embroidery and fabric and text older and single together and that was really interesting today I must feel really really proud as well at the end of a project that's of me created something that is on this play it's really good to see all the what get there when it's just right it's it's it's really good to see and powerful Yeah and it does look like a really you know it's a good exhibition that you know in itself more is really proud of the work they're fans done and I think you've sold maybe definitely you know but you. Know they're talented and if people want to get involved with art. Where core they think that they would like to come to a session is the easy can they do it's a drop in session so you can turn up on with where the folks who send 10 to 100 every cheese day and you just come along some people might come in with this worker or just pop in just like you had in and then go back next week just to get used to it is a big thing and you groups say that it's very friendly and welcoming I think the the pretty when the best things about the group is the women themselves because they really support each other and you know like it's not really just about us it's do you know that if we ever go away then I think you are such good friendships formed in stuff and you know that it's that I think that's part of the ethos that this are really about you know helping each other out and yes sort of a great premise of people need to bring anything with everything that's like provided so they can get the spine we have like we took we charge 3 pounds just like a donation but if people can't afford that that's fine they don't need to buy that just goes to a store remark things like that raising it sounds like such a. Brilliant thing today and really going to Fishel to the community and to the women you work with how can people find out more about what you do if you go out yet we've got websites have to step up legal thought it worked OK to U.K. But it's also quite good to follow us on Facebook and Instagram that ought to work now rich because that's not quite current and if you want to find out more generally about us than the web sites get with Facebook shows the stuff we're doing sort of now with or you can see a lot of things we've done. Holly thank you so much for coming and Sarah thank you so much for coming in as well and I have to mention I'm sorry for the throw in a little sheet tonight with sort of a lot of you do it on radio prompts just think Ace but I've never seen one like you . Do you 3 people have scrawled No just like you could frighten. Me. OK I've already taken a photo. Of the 1st. So much money and Sarah thank you very much thank you thank you. And. Sometimes D.C. And boys in the better land on B.B.C. Radio Norfolk my panel are in the studio was. Going I was saying in that song quite old school with the panel you guys we've got the O.J. Putting it on the 1st yeah I really don't know but you know gangster. Is the same as his standards and tradition on the show that starts at the left to introduce yourself and a little bit about your. Table and I don't want to get music and I do music and stuff and all yeah I've been really busy playing on the fly over in a punk band for the angry Square. Love story in which the I haven't been enough just been for how how did it get that went really really good I got loads of there only all punk rockers that don't necessarily get not like blow and. And I say this but there was always a little bit tension about some of my from the short cut days ago Slawson buy into his main claim from painting a. Damaged demand it in the whole scene yeah and just close all together 3 songs one about the jackal one about fat police and then just love love love story about or love song so that was great really good I really exhausted but we were just over a grand for Monica that's amazing exactly and very nice yeah and important business is why I had changed color of completely Yeah and that's what I mean by. I tell her to move every time she said OK it's a song like you know I'm with you that I'm never going to be yellow and green or yellow will go her style you were to order a different color mug for you. So yeah we don't have a pink and I feel like you might get pink if you like it when I think that she's Funny Cide I think about things once it's yeah I think I can go blue if I do paying I'm going to play Who's going to hold Yeah that's pretty much MUCH OF IT AS effort I want to play when I was little I want to be in a bank or see snow in the case and I. Was. Writing about it. For so much what it's going to be I'm like this hat that I had thought was a little bit of luck. And I made it into a punk wig. And it was. Not I should be green jolly if you're good Seriously I don't know I might have become. What you want to play or what the serious no. Was speed terrible so to play it seems very safe no it was the sort of younger me but I'll be a bit more. States she's here don't. Have a panel thank you for having me next to see we have Congo and I don't. Know. People were dish but with. Me and I'm glad I'm here on call yes. It was you being in the car OK you finished sure. In the car always annoyed from. Where we stop Well you were to start from the House on 1st true for sure oh. For a movie. I thought a minute here for President it was Harley shop yet the little girl was. OK. But then when you're 20 minutes into the queue you don't want to leave it exactly that easy that is it should I leave Yeah I was just 20 minutes and I was waiting for. There were 2 hour Lou orders in the water so. You got or you know you OK yeah yeah yeah and even not got any curry sauce down the SAT Yeah that's pretty. Much That was my goal I just let Yeah exactly right on my. Share of tell me about it and look at where I was coming and it's radio radio so yeah exactly we're glad you made it on time Tom thank you thank you for sharing that lovely story with us well and next to Tom we have a. Performance poet and very very very occasional nurse that's changing every week I just I'm just not going back yet is like I'm going to actually going to be doing some nursing festival tomorrow in London so I think yeah yes I'm going to start instruments 1st and I think so how does that work what he did at festivals and I see you will see he has to be the 1st one done so I know you take a look of paper tried to jump over the fence and yeah I'm going to fast people are going to drown me and stuff about me go right I'm look forward to I spent some time in the US west coast in town a few years ago when I was a student and I think we kind of so much of that country. Really good out but do it in a 2nd that you made Yeah OK Well every time you have a chance to know you like wonder around taken some music and find people who are very well and I haven't seen you do that when it 1st was Anyway one of not working is directly legally as nurses were not allowed to leave people who were in times of crisis any more Wow That changed in 2015 to legally you have to stop because you are making that situation better even if you feel like you've had a drink or something so. I do anyway so be kind of nice to be paid to do that and also taken some cool cool sounds awesome to have said things crossed so you mention the S.O.'s best but last festival and they've not done it yet but I'm wondering if you know I D. Have like a tent set up and quit and start usually likely to be a 1st will have like a fully fledged hospital essentially and. Inside of a tent and you have like different ranges of kind of doctors and paramedics and stuff the smaller festivals the one I'm going to is about 17000 people. The smaller ones have a smaller 10 essentially but they still should be like a hub that you go back to a lot of it would be roving around for the paramedics and some of the nurses trying to find people who are otherwise unwell and will bring them back to work a place of some description while the the wait for an ambulance to come or we deal with them on site so. Fingers crossed all goes well it's a learning curve throwing something at you know top tips for being a festival and one of your friends is too drunk What do you how do you help them get some food or more that is a very very basics if they've just downed like lots of shots of something and they feel really sick and then you don't necessarily stop them from vomiting because they want to get people to where you know you don't make them throw up but if they feel like they're really old don't try to stop them from America's energy or mean that they've got great down the arc on the system and not only get drunk but if they if they've the last drink was a while ago then it's already in their system to get some food stuffs. Thanks so much this let's bring it we can go on to the discussion yet I think we should do that now so we've got to talk picks tonight as we always do on a Friday this one is about being in a situation where you are clear. Out of your depth but just had to grin and bear it to get 3 I'm hoping you have some good stuff you know as of course so many stories are going to pick when it came I'd say every day life I go into Barack Obama standing Well that's what I'm about because when we usually choose our topics from the other shows we do during the week and evenings where the musician come in yesterday on our introducing show he did a job on the show but told us after we just held it together because he'd been so ill all day we have no idea so we've been anywhere where people are expecting you to perform or do something special where you've just had to get on with it even though you are really struggling. For example I wonder if you have a situation when you're looking after loss of children or you're walking a big dog that you can't control and you kind of have to go out or I don't I have a lot of and something gives way in your start or that could be all sorts of things throw them away. Get wise with mental health obviously that's really hard and lots of times I feel super anxious and I don't ever want to do it and I had to play a gig at the Marquee once with my punk band and I had a kidney infection and I was so so. But I think the thing is when you create if when you musicians show must go on you've got to just grin and bear it and do it but remember just get off stage and just crawl it all just. Because sometimes when you perform you can take on a role don't you and I go yeah I'm going to be there you feel horrible you're still trying to put you kno