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For every too late to ask Chris to fence vote to come forward we have a result I didn't realize that was the end of the take place and so. It is and I said Begin from the conservatives with a whopping majority of 5000 did you train for sure yes and that the conservatives were confident holding on to that seat and they've not just lost it they've lost they've they've really lost their majority like you say went from a 4775 majority it's now a 5400 s. And p. Majority another s. In p. M.p. Returning Kristen Oswald bear she was there if she held that seat back in 2015 but lost it to the Tories in 2017 a big remain see that in the e.u. Referendum also voted against Scottish independence and the vote is there of up to to go for go for the s.n.p. Conservatives lose another seat dynamic because a conservative activist the use by date for the totals. Is not a great so far. You know obviously there's still quite a lot of seats left of the clear all of conservative seats we still hold and there are all our seats in play at the moment across Scotland may have a chance of colleagues in a parcel in the borders of the North East. My my home county and their store a lot of positivity and some of those See this is no use it's not a good night but that's of the 3 conservative seats to declare thus far they're all lost I mean to be fair at the beginning of this campaign commentators and pundits they were going to be cleared Oh completely you know that's what's happened up to no up until now yes but you know as I say there are still lots of seats still to go Don Fisher. Seats we are big majorities in. Our way Erick Erick and come lots of other places left to go I think you know we can judge the result at the end of the day once everything's been declared and we could have a filesystem and all that but you know starting to go. Just Albertine sorry Davidson jump in with a quick point West Brom it's eats East which is Tom Watson deputy Labor leader c. Has gone conservative for a while he really early was going to jump to being the same he stood there and he wasn't a candidate but you know we talked about that red wall that meant loans Labor seat their garden and you know that so yeah yeah West Bromwich East Jeff up. Join us in the studio What are your thoughts so far this evening well I mean this excess full application of poll tax needs to vital ingredient you need a credible message and a credible messenger and I think the problem for the Conservative party is quite simply this that Boris Johnson has not played well on the doorsteps across Scotland and the result you know all for all to see on the message I also think that's very interesting as well because get bricks it done has been so successful clearly across wastes of England and Wales and some parts that even the exit poll didn't suspect that they do well but it hasn't actually permitted into Scotland and I suspect that's because when they look at that credible messenger again people are looking around they're simply they may not like everything they're simply doing their nickel Sturgeon had a tough campaign and this is where she was held to account on her own record in government the 2 to beat but they do trust her and trust him to be such an important issue in this election campaign I would wager that most people thought Ok we'll give her well more go will give us simply a go when you say the get back that done message didn't really reach Scotland a lot of the campaigns in Scotland and the billboards you saw was about trying to stop and direct to correct and so do you think that that then is a message that people want in direct no no I don't think so I mean I listen let's try and be reasonable here I think people are willing to look at another referendum otherwise they would not voted for this and be in such big numbers they're willing to say Ok We'll have a look at this. And other one of them will decide but I don't think they're simply should mistake this for you know who is backing for independence is a backing for the mandate to hold a referendum yes I do think it is because there seem to be quite clear in this campaign. And it was started said from the outset this is about 2 things about stopping Breck's it but it was also about Scotland's right to choose in another independence referendum so I do think this is strengthen the mandate I do think people Scott said Ok we're open to that but the half a referendum is a totally different ball game as I know from personal experience Yeah well I don't Mickey do you agree with that with Geoff Aberdeen's assessment there I think it was very clear we put as Jeff said the right to decide on Scotland's future at the center of our campaign on the ports of responded to and they can stay out of it of no it ended after the center of their campaign and the voters have responded to that site not quite clear yet another mind I guess at the 4th minute neighbors had to hold a 2nd then the pain this referendum and were we plan to move forward I thought without process I don't know what's not closely what the people of Scotland who are quick to equate quite comfortable was a mistake not to not to have. It breaks it down as the main thrust given the a 1000000 people who voted leave and Scotland and no political party seems to represent them well I mean we did have a message which was to get Bridget sorted which is you know what people want to listen up and that's not people's experience of going up and down the country this is billboards that we're all about stop local start and go on about independents I mean I think if you listen to any conservative candidate in a selection no only was it about stopping in the way of too but it was also getting Bridget sort of focusing on the priorities that matter but you know what let's be frank when Swayze survey same be candidates in this election said that this was not a vote and dependence that was a break shouldn't you know that the candidate don't and don't for sure against David been there we said very clearly I will not I'm really talking about all the villain there is and what there is no it's very one of them was by lives or whether you or there's a several backing brags that I mean you know. It was a part of the campaign but of course you know and the pain the NZ as is equally a big issue it's a big constitutional debate in school has been since you know you preety 14 it was important we talk. You know because there are hundreds of thousands of people right across Scotland who have probably voters go to concerts or today who do not want to see in our independence of the don't want to see one next year which is what Nicholas started as promised she doesn't have a. Whole you know 11 hours with one of the tours but. It's a trick that works in 20 somethings not what 21000 like I think fortunately this election has been overshadowed by the break that narrative across the u.k. . If there is a 2021 score should in this was all about scores measuring I think it may be there will be a different result. You know the get better drug message which has worked through the rest of the u.k. We're getting seats in place with never again before but I think the messaging is unfortunately overshadowed by real insidious today not only about independence done a really important Democratic point here but it's Johnson will use this result as is right to say this is his mandate to take to get to get it done he'll use a percentage of all these go across England Wales and use the number of seats he's got to get breaks it done do you not think it's fair for nickel sturgeon to they say the same then on on potentially a higher percentage of all the high percentage of the seats they say that she can take for her mind well no because they're not ready to tell him it's going to go to Aberdeen North declaring. And I would be North constituency here by giving notice that the total number of votes pulled for each candidate at the away action was as follows. The real. Scottish Labor Party 4939 I could see black men Scottish National Party n.p. 20200. I was. Just pretty clear she's by composer Bell the Scottish liberal Democrat 3 2846 I write and James how to Scottish Conservative a new nest 7535 I see 2 cities and licenses could be marked in north or just going through the us there I think we're good to occlusion coming in Sterling could we take that to see if we can. Oh no we don't seem to have the sterling data loose it's imminent anyway but so Blackman and yeah big increase in karma Janet there and also will run out and he was suspended on tape from the party yeah right Ryan house in Scott's conservatives uncovered a what they said were a face accusations of having made anti semitic an article before because minutes on line that were fading from from years back he was dropped as a candidate by them but at that point he was on the paper ballot paper as Scottish Conservative candidate so even though the party would do support for him he was still the conservative candidate a big increase for Christie Bachmann near the deputy leader out Westminster for the s. And p. And a big drop in there in the labor vote there in Aberdeen north. Of the school as Labor leader is on the line no big. Drop in North big drop all over Scotland the disaster for Scottish Labor is not. Well Bill yes it is a very disappointing result and very disappointed for those very good M.P.'s who we had in parliament from 2017 on Woods who have lost their seats tonight for those very good candidates who stood over many months fighting constituencies trying to win them back for labor but in the end that's proved not to be a successful campaign. To me Carbonneau does that you. Think the difficulty we had was that the campaign was dominated by the constitutional questions around. By the Scottish constitutional question of whether there should be a 2nd independence referendum or not and we tried to break through the din of that by speaking about what we felt were the priorities of the government that we were electing for the next 5 years and you know we think that we've got a decade of austerity with you know large numbers of children in Scotland wanting for children in school living in poverty. Standards we're just going to take a declaration in Maadi. I need returning officer for the u.k. Parliamentary election in muddy constituency hereby give notice that the total number of votes pulled for each candidate at the election was as. If you know Margaret Campbell Trevor Scottish liberal Democrat 2216 I. Be Scottish Labor Party 2432. Laura Mitchell Scottish National Party 21599 Douglas Rose Scott Scottish conservatives and Unionist 22000 was force has hurled at me money for the conservatives here sterling one but I know quen Scottish giving party 942. Fears and remain liberal Democrats 2867. Me to Kate Ross Labor party for Ses and 275 I. Was. Alan Edward Smith Scottish National Party 26 was 'd . was C. Ok. Number of ballot papers rejected 105. And they declared that Allen edits methylated to 7 the United Kingdom passengers an ascent again from the conservatives in Stirling and you also heard just before the Mahdi hold a conservative hold in Maadi and Richard Leonard is the leader of Scottish Labor is still on the line and I was just going to ask about the. Comments of in money your man in Edinburgh so it is said that everywhere he went 11000 of his of his potential voters mentioned Jeremy Corben as the main problem. I saw that tweet from me now to I didn't quite understanding out and I've not had a chance to have a conversation with him I was out knocking doors with him just a couple of days ago but I will have that conversation with him and understand what you mean by that I mean I think the the there is no doubt that there was a large amount of vilification in the media of Jeremy Corbyn and some of that did seem to seep through to people but I think that the the issue that we face and the reason why we weren't successful as it appears we have not been successful in these elections is not simply down to one person would you consider going. Well look I think that Bill the jobs that I'm concerned about tonight are not my own job it's the jobs of those people that are struggling by on less than 10 pounds an hour it's those people whose jobs are 0 hours contracts jobs it's those people young people especially who have got precarious employment that's where my focus has been. As a trade unionist and as an m.s.p. And as the leader of the Scottish Labor Party and that's where my focus will continue to be. The hopes that are at stake because of a hard Bragg's issue is littered Lerner thank you very much I appreciate it well let's just reflect on a couple of the results we've had in the last 5 minutes or so Daniel McCosker. A money Tony is good holding money but very small majority there yeah they're in money you know what we're talking about them part of the breaks are slogans in this election money was our coach later that was you know just about 150 votes off of backing leave so clearly better has maybe potentially had an impact and that constituency in the makes a doing their dogs horses held that seat against There was a bit of a tape to NY and that's. A great thing for Douglas it's a really hard working will claim p. They are and I'm delighted that he's held the seat against against us yeah I would expect a similar result in some of the other Northeast seats still to to clear through which had you know well quite clear according to another says quite clearly voted at leave we would expect the same there I mean by and from back in as one to watch because it was a in our constituency that you know obviously the you know the lever mean votes were done by constituents or done by totally or been by the bucket was estimated of voter to leave an interesting one to watch and yes I'm hopeful that we can continue you know you're going to need some of these these seats that we've got we've got some very hardworking local M.P.'s there don't put it in coach I'm telling each constituency hereby give notice of the total number of votes pulled but each counted it. Was as follows. Rosmah call Scottish Conservative in on this is common in the community c.t. . I ask your counsel McDonnell scorched National Party s. And p. 24100. I James Daniel Smith from a Scottish Labor Party one frozen 192 was. I Susan Madi squaddies liberal Democrats 2166. That's an s.n.p. As an experiment it was Julie don't want to return to m.p. For Cumbernauld because I think I'm going to look at least a swing from Labor to the s.n.p. Of 9.3 percent and that seems to be reflected in a lot of these sort of central Scotland Lanarkshire type of seats Ilsa. Yeah I mean I think if we're looking at all of these together what we're seeing you know if we're thinking back to that exit poll number that we have in our our minds what we're seeing is the s.n.p. Is performing well it's obviously having a good night but it's not yet at the levels that we would expect if the exit poll prediction of $55.00 is to be right so the the s.n.p. Are doing well not as high as the exit poll predicted and not as as well as they did in 2015 there are some exceptions to that and some of those exceptions are the constituencies that had particularly small margins for them either ones that they had to surpass to take the seat or ones that they were holding onto and there their vote has in fact surpassed exit the exit poll predictions for them so in general I think that original caution that we sounded about the exit poll prediction was likely to hold but there are some interesting inconsistency is there in terms of where the s.n.p. Is managing to exceed expectations a c. Generally carbon to speak in a slim to none of you can take a little bit of audio is coming through his speech his acceptance speech live in Islington has received to save all across this country. The issues of social justice and the issues of needs of people will not go away just because bricks it is dealt with in the way in which Boris Johnson presumably plans to deal with it the moment all those issues will come back center stage in the debate on the fundamental labor message about justice and equality within our society is going to be one that is there for all time because it's the very core of what my party believes in and what I will always advocate on behalf of my constituency and on behalf of my party. Also make it clear that I will not lead the party in any future general election campaign. I will discuss with our party to ensure there is a process now of reflection on this result and on the policies that the party will take going forward and I will lead the party during that period to ensure that discussion takes place and we move on into the future of the German court in confirming that he is going to stand down and I think we can go to. North think we have a result there have we. I know nothing from Glasgow North Jeff Aberdeen Jeremy carbon. It's never been an ever go off yes it's early in the morning and I was weak you know I think you know as soon as the exit poll came out the writing was on the wall for Project McCollum is this was last through the dice I think the most important question most pressing question not just for Politics at Westminster but also for Scotland as well as how does the Labor Party reposition itself following this is this an experiment with momentum running the party there that they seem to have done for the last we while since Corbin's can rise to power in 2017 or is this a little bit more fundamental shift that's going to be needed to bring back to winning elections it's worth remembering apart from Tony Blair the Labor Party have not had a majority in 50 years if you take him 20 but at the question not New Labor that moderate pitch to the center that center ground the Labor Party haven't had a majority in 50 years so what happens next the Labor Party is very important for both British politics because politics as well you know Burnside you wonder who will replace them and who will try to take control of the party in this and we've talked before about a break up in of the Labor Party and a new centrist party and you would we You'd think then that maybe this is the time then. Here maybe. That wouldn't be my feeling of what would come from this I mean we've we've heard lots of small splintery break up the attempts recently and just look at these results they've come to absolutely nothing you know none of these small breakaway parties look as if they're doing anything huge chunk comune are who have the Labor Party to join the live downs or so you know he's he hasn't been away I don't see an appetite for I think. I think that's not the way it's going to go I think the fight will stay within the Labor Party and I think it will be I think it will be pretty hideous I think we were seeing earlier I think they're going to I think they're very likely to choose a woman leader they're very far behind the. The rest of the parties on this so be really interesting to see who comes forward and if there is anyone who can even begin to knit together the 2 factions and just be someone that the people on the doorstep could warm to you know Corben was such a hard sell with certain kind of metropolitan English areas to find someone who can even begin to start appealing to Scottish voters that is going to be an extremely big ask I think to David just how to come in fact and fasten a few interesting results 8 in the rest of the u.k. The exact Goldsmith there a cabinet minister has lost his seat to the day Dominic grabbed the forensics tree as hell drawn by his majority is gone down from 230028 less than 3000 a lot of people were thinking that maybe Michael Portillo more they did yeah so the Dems went hard at that seat just clung on and Jeff was talking about Tony Blair a moment ago sage field Tony Blair's old seat is now a conservative. And there's one other Scottish. R

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