With a 5 live news at 5 o'clock I'm Paul cannon Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson says the party should be prepared to back demands for another Bracks referendum if members want it delegates are in Liverpool for their conference a poll of around a 1000 party members suggests most want the chance to vote on any final Breck's a deal our political correspondent in Watson says germy Coburn has also given an interview on the issue interestingly in an interview he's done in the Sunday Mirror Sunday Mirror exclusive and in that interview he too says effectively he respects party members views he would rather have a general election than the referendum but you know if he's all about giving democracy back to passing members if that's really an interview then you go along with it Rupert Murdoch appears to have lost out in his attempt to buy sky US media firm Comcast as one of blind option valuing the broadcaster more than 30000000000 pounds the bid was higher than that one though that the one put forward by Mr Murdoch's 21st Century Fox Company A 19 year old has died after he was shot in East London the man was taken to hospital by friends are the shooting in Walthamstow last night but couldn't be saved divers searching for survivors in the wreck of a ferry which capsized in Tanzania have pulled out a man alive they heard knocking and discovered an engineer who survived in an air pocket more than 200 people are known to have died when the boat sank in Lake Victoria his Tanzania's prime minister Kasim Maje Wanny. 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Up 1st this week the earth's about 4 and a half 1000000000 years old and we've got evidence that life got started here pretty rare. It was up and running within half a 1000000000 years or so but for the next few 1000000000 years things stayed very small and very simple it was just microbes then something special happened because about 600000000 years ago large complex multicellular life as we know it suddenly appears in the fossil record but of these fossils the remains of animals plants or some other bizarre evolutionary offshoot no one could actually tell from their appearance alone but now scientists in Australia have nailed it by achieving the incredible feat of extracting from one of these ancient fossil species called Dick in Sonya the fats and cholesterol that would have been in the tissue when it was alive so is it an animal vegetable or mineral you can rock the can sound is an oval shaped creature that was lying flat on the sea floor in probably relatively shallow water it looks a lot like a big coffee bean with lots of rips and the smallest we analyzed were about one centimeter the biggest 6 centimeters but there were some true giants but we came up to one metre 40 it is a 558000000 year old creature and the Fed tells us it was the earliest animals in the record and they're important of course because if these are big animals the Nao are some of the earliest big animals and effectively they're what gave rise to the life that turned into us. I think those those fossils are the most important fossils in the entire geological record if you have a time machine and you go back to 580000000 years ago go scuba diving you would need a microscope to see anything at all life was microscopic and then about 570000000 years ago those Idiocracy creatures appeared and they became enormous quite quickly up to 2 metres that's when life became big and that's why it's important to know what these creatures actually were so how did you actually decide to pursue this in terms of looking at the facts and how did you get at the facts is extraordinary to think there are facts there which are more than half a 1000000000 years old the idea for this project in fact comes from my Ph D. Student. He contacted me from Russia as a Russian student in 2013 and said Well you often I found these idiotic when fossils and they're almost memory fired they're preserved organically I want to extract 5 molecules from them and that should tell me if these creatures were or were not our earliest animals and I thought it's my stupid do you have ever heard I thought I was totally crazy but I was a very very smart student so I thought well you know you should try it for himself so hard to miss a Ph D. Student you extract that these things and it's simply where it was completely stunning how do you get the facts out of the fossils you can try this at home it's a dangerous and be very difficult so what is your does is 1st it drips Hydrofluoric and hydrochloric acid on them so that the organic matter is lifted up from the rock underneath and then we analyze the molecules using chemical techniques and those fats have definitely come from the fossil there are the vestige of the the fossil when it was in life that's right so you could think are not if we actually touch these fossils with our fingers we would introduce cholesterol which is the whole mark off animals and immediately oh look we found an animal but actually it's our own fingerprints. But we went into extraordinary lengths to exclude contaminants and look exactly where these molecules came from modern cholesterol from us humans is a modern living molecule but what we found is actually a fossil molecule that has changed its structure and where we can estimate Proxima how old it is and the structure of the molecule fitted perfectly the age in the maturity of the rock we found it in so you're saying because we can see this slightly different form of cholesterol that is the signature of complex animal life and it's in the context of this fossil we think it's come from the fossil but could there not be a for instance microorganisms living on the fossil that themselves made this funny form of cholesterol or other organisms that have come along since and lived around the fossil and they put the cholesterol there and you're saying well it's from the fossil but it's not it's from something else all right that's a very very good question what we found a little bit more we can imagine a slip of rock in the middle of this beautiful fossil surrounding the fossil is actually a fossilized microbial Mets because Dick and so on yeah I was living on the sea floor living on these microbial mats that are full of Santa's bacteria and algae and this Mets were also fossilized around the concern yeah so what we did is we analyzed the molecules in the concern you know but also the molecules from the Met surrounding the concern yeah when we compare the 2 there was a huge difference between Sonja was full of fossil cholesterol which is typical for animals and the surrounding was typical of a different type of molecule which is produced by green algae now you have got this you said you can say at this moment in time we've got what looks like this animal it's not a plant it's not a fungus it's not some of these other possibilities how does that change our view of what was going on almost 600000000 years ago and ultimately how that line led to us. It really changes the story how we perceive our earliest animal ancestors when and how they evolved now that we know that they can so when you actually was an animal and probably many of those Idiocracy were animals we know that there was already an enormous animal ecosystem between 570 and 540000000 years ago but there were very peaceful animals there were most of it you Terry and none of these fossils has by marks or predation marks and then about 540000000 years ago those creatures died out and modern type animals appeared and it's actually quite possible that the modern type of animals drove those to extinction by simply eating them nothing ever changes does it York I'm broke there from the Australian National University the paper describing that work just came out in the journal Science the Nobel Prizes show off the best of human scientific endeavor but what about their counterparts the EEG Nobel prizes they've now been announced and Adam Murphy has been catching up with one of this year's winners every year the Nobel Prize is awarded to the most humanity advancing breakthroughs the pinnacle of achievement but they're not what's really. The ignoble prizes are awarded to science that makes you laugh before it makes you think prizes this year were taken home for analyzing the potential of saliva as a cleaning fluid and for the effectiveness of employees using voodoo dolls against their bosses. But what else wins that kind of prize I got to speak to one of this year's winners James Cole of the University of Brighton about the work that earned him such a prestigious honor I was looking at trying to estimate the counter if it value of the human body but in the context of looking at paper thick sites and human evolution that is to say did ancient humans eat people is that nutritionally useful or does it cost you an arm and a leg so we know from your culture correct that human cannibalism seems to be at least a persistent behavior through our evolutionary journey one of the you know the oldest science that we have goes back almost a 1000000 years now we have a very relatively small fossil record and even within that small fossil record we still see signs on bones like. Bone breakage even teeth marks that demonstrate that this countless and behavior was present what is unclear is exactly why this behavior was done if you compare the calories that you get from a human body which is what my study was trying to work out to animals that we know were successfully hunted by our ancestors light in the end the tile so this is things like whole bison or mammoth even if you know would seem that we actually aren't terribly calorie rich in comparison to those big animals you know the answer calories you get from a human being seems to fall kind of where you would expect for an animal about size but we are just much smaller than a horse or a cow or obviously a mammoth How did you work out the color perfect content of a human being yes or no you know humans were harmed during the course of the study but effectively what I did as I looked at some studies that were done in the forty's in the fifty's that looked at the chemical composition of the human body and they broke down various body parts into its various chemical components and part of that were protein and fat values and if you have protein and fat values along with body weight you can work out calories with your Ig Nobel. How did that come about how did you find out you would warn us it was really quite a wonderful process really so in April I got a very mysterious email to friends in Boston are interested in talking to you and this is what Mark Abrams really does and who's the Ig Nobel person in charge is that they send out offers of imitation to accept the award in case anybody decides that's not something that they would quite like and thankfully as he says in his welcome speeches and things pretty much everybody always accepts but there is always a chance to turn it down personally I was extremely on it and very pleased to have been offered the award because the ignoble stand for scientific studies that I think in a catch phrase make you laugh and then make you think and whilst I wasn't necessarily out to make people laugh with my study I was definitely out to make them think so I was really pleased that I sort of had been recognised on that cannibalism is always going to be a controversial subject in a subject of interest and a slightly left field so it's great that that was recognised in that way and this work is no exception there's some real meat to this story to the more that we can understand our ancestors and even our own species in deep time the more that we can really understand who we are today and how we got here and then understand it can only lead to a better future and hopefully a more inclusive one that takes to account the full complexity and range of of who we are what are the nobles just a silly joke or is there value to them so they have no bells I mean they have a huge audience I think from last year's ceremony almost you know 100000 people watched that live stream so they had no bells had this huge reach and that can only be good for science because science is not just about standing in a lab coat looking down a microscope thinking really deep in about something science is inquisitive it can be fun and they go about this really capture the essence of that in the fun and quirky way that they present them it's science that makes you laugh and then think that was it you know. Laura James Cole he was speaking with Adam Murphy and his ignoble lecture is available on the Improbable Research website along with the other winners if you want to give them a listen and speaking of listening you're listening to 5 Live Science with me Chris Smith still to come socks that can repel mosquitoes and can see the Earth's magnetic field but 1st the results of a study that reports a doubling one of the biggest breakthroughs yet in blood pressure genetics have just been released scientists at Queen Mary University of London have looked at the genetic signatures of more than a 1000000 people and marry their genes with their lifestyle factors and their blood pressures the result is the identification of hundreds of new genes linked to high blood pressure which should highlight new ways to predict who's at risk reveal new drug treatments and even flag up some simple home remedies that are surprisingly effective Marco field led the study high blood pressure fix $1500000000.00 people and it's a major risk factor for stroke and heart attack and we know it arises due to genes plus lifestyle we know a lot about the lifestyle excess sold excess alcohol being over your ideal body weight lack of exercise lack of dietary vegetables but we don't know what the genes are we only know some of them so far so what we've done is to use that data gene technologies to loose a date the variation that's causing elevated blood pressure and what we found as a result of that is $535.00 regions that are affecting and elevating blood pressure in some people and how many people did you look at and which people because we know that people around the world very genetically considerably and we know that their blood pressure risk factors and their response to drugs etc varies considerably so did you look at so we studied over 1000000 people most of whom are of white European ancestry the main component of the study was the United Kingdom by bank which is the jewel in Britain's crown in terms of understanding the genetic basis of disease. That's half a 1000000 people then we combined it with other studies from across the world and that allowed us to reach the number of 1000000 and it is the size of the study and the precision of the analysis that's allowed us to find these low side for blood pressure and when you look at these these genetic regions that seem to be important for blood pressure what emerges and why does this matter HOW does this affect our ability to to diagnose management and better manage high blood pressure so actually measuring the blood pressure this way would not be efficient but what this does do is it gives us new biological insights into why some people's blood pressure a higher than others the other correlations we found in the project were with certain treatments so for example we found evidence that a fairly new diabetic treatment which is very effective at lowering blood sugar that has also been shown to reduce adverse heart disease and stroke that target for that drug is a gene for blood pressure could we take that Manson and use it more often in people with high blood pressure and diabetes so effectively treating 2 things at once so this is about understanding how we can get new insights into