The world's greatest steeplechase you're a senior national disciple. But it's like school's expert. Chris Robinson Alan Oldroyd to head the breakfast in an alibi 1st round up at this week's boxing knees with Mike Castello and Steve Bunce this is a prerecorded programmes to Please don't text or call. 5. Welcome to 5 Live boxing with Costello and bounce Lots to get into day including Katie Taylor picking up another world title last Friday night in Philadelphia an impressive performance from another London 2012 starring Luke Campbell on the same bill and Shirley Edwards defending his flyweight world title this coming weekend in London but 1st stave we experienced a different kind of fight night on Saturday just gone at the O 2 Arena for U.F.C. London don't knock it Mike don't look you know what's interesting is the amount of tweets I got an amount of people on the night that made a comment to me about Castello would be upset now that you're not at your B.M.I. Go respond that I said no and that she did say boy Mike's CHIEF CORRESPONDENT I'm just in charge of T.V. That's we dilute every poll in every now and again yes we did go to see the U.F.C. At the weekend we were guests of the U.F.C. To get that straight we didn't pay 225 pounds but I will tell you it was enjoyable from the very 1st 2nd if it is enjoyable from the moment we got there apart from the fact that our tickets weren't there when we went to get them and I was worried about you put in a chokehold on the games or that you have seats all going to standing what was what about you getting upset about that people weren't happy that I suggested that the fighter should come out to the famous song from the 70s everybody was coming from fighting and I'll tell you what economy Gregor doesn't use that next I'm a Dutchman I loved every I loved every bit of it OK some of it some of the whistling grappling the jujitsu is a little bit esoteric and I've got to be honest here it's a little bit boring those 5 minute rounds can be bored but the crowd love it because they know what's out there but knockouts good I think the sportsmanship. Was fantastic awful in and out so the rings were brutal for a full down hard if we did a great job interview and people are real he was brilliant but they're not he was brilliant interviewing people in the ring A really did and his simple question what we call a certain aficionados of the mixed martial brand in the U.F.C. Set up but what didn't you like about it what did you leave there and go call it was orrible Yeah there were 100 points I was thinking of cheering the night but that the one thing that lost me was I just didn't know enough about what I was watching but it did strike me Steve that's the 1st time in a long time that I've been to an arena of that size with a crowd of that size for a big fight night event in my case boxing and it just reminds you of how privileged we are to be even close as we really rather those people yeah even closer than we were on Saturday night but I thought that the seamless nature of the show was really impressive once a fight was finished Dan Hardy did his interview marched out of the ring and then up on the screens on the screen 6 around the arena so wherever you were sat there was information and straight away on came the video profiles highlights reels and interviews with the 2 fighters who were about to come into the ring and by the way they came into the ring straight away so you had that kind of seamless feel but I did sense there were there were many levels I mean at one stage without really wanting to listen I heard 3 different conversations going on around him behind me by people who clearly weren't interested in what I was seeing in front of them but maybe that's that's the nature of a sport I just don't understand also it was the nature of the night because without trying to sound like an expert I picked the brains of the young expert next to me a kid that used to work for the U.F.C. About 2324 he was there his friend really noticed the mixed martial arts you have seen earlier boxing as well picked his brains and that was good a fight not a fight night OK Don't look at me like that generally be U.F.C. 237 or 2 on the next the next one to be 236 if you needed to win it so that wasn't a pay per view and. That was a way for younger fighters guys earn in their way for men and women if it was a bit of history because Molly McCann Molly McCann That's and I'm from Liverpool couldn't if you're off those Michel she had to damage and she was being attended to by some medics she wants to become the 1st English will ever win a U.F.C. Fight so there was in a bit of history there were 13 fights my last is now OK and this is leading up to the count Michael Bay's been through on the in the good old ways and I'm going all the way so there were there were 13 fights and there were 13 British fighters and that's all down to Michael Bisping it was announced on the night he got 5 minutes down innovation which was moving he was genuinely moved by is announce he is going to be inducted into the U.F.C. Hall of Fame in the summer in Las Vegas he did a fantastic show March around the octagon and then he went off to do some interviews he came into the sport in April 2007 a sorries 1st fight but by blood by Charles has got there I'm not making out I'm an expert end up being at that show for some reason but what's really interesting Mike is that without him then the U.F.C. In this country and this came from several people not just the U.F.C. People trying to sell me their line the guy next to me said the same thing and it basically the quote is something along without base spin there's no US I know you have seen the U.K. Are not the same he's revolutionized and change the face the 1st Brit to ever win a U.F.C. World title and if you think I'm reading here I'm not this is because up in Dublin absorbing a cent and anybody to ignores Michael Bisping contribution to British ball you've been a full if you will moment opinion another of the notes that I'm a slave and we will go on to talk about aero Spence and the rest very shortly because I realize that if people want information about U.F.C. And M.M.A. Then they've got their own polkas but I'm just I'm just working on this and extending the stay because I'm looking at and was all the time on Saturday night looking at ways for boxing to took to copy the best elements of what we saw on Saturday night and I mentioned earlier that the smooth operation issues went from fight to fight to fight but it also struck me that watching some of those. Yes and I was told that Nathaniel would one of the youngsters on the bill was potentially one of the best ever M.M.A. Artists in this country but those are the types of fighters and that's that we would have crowd that boxing should be embracing and what I like my who also is that the family would be absolutely right I mean the crowd like to the crowd want to we were tipped off about you could see a little bit star quality about him should be robust fine as a welterweight that's the bottom line again I really mean now he's not he's with them you know not look it's not an OS and then he's over there finally mixed martial arts but Mike his record if I'm not mistaken is something like 15 wins free defeats that we would never stand for that and I got to tell you what you made that great point there were 6 televised fights that's 12 boxes in No 6 televised fights only one of them entered the ring unbeaten so 11 of the people had lost some of them multiple not like that one to another loss previous to last one I'm afraid of stats that they are you frightened by the stats that I might know you would have stats. That is like going back to and take boxing because then guys what used to happen here in the days of you know Sugar Ray Robinson 135 before he beat him but generally speaking and unbeaten record wasn't nearly as absolute and in the not too distant past and talking about Sugar Ray Robinson state I can help to go home and do some homework because when Michael Bisping was being on over the weekend up on the screen and I pointed it out to you that he'd spent 6 hours and 5 minutes 3 seconds effort if we said forget it. So you went home and did some homework on mom and Ollie audio and Sugar Ray Robinson go on he. Was 4 did the homework on Ali when I was trying to do was work out exactly how many hours minutes and seconds he spent in the ring as a professional boxer It wasn't easy is it took an awful lot of work but I came up with 26 hours 20 minutes and 25 seconds. 26 hours 20 minutes and 25 seconds don't tell me you did sugary rubbers and you couldn't of thought it might Sugar Ray Robinson was in the ring for 4150 minutes there. About maybe slightly on the slightly over and that works out to $69.00 and a half hours in the ring. Fight time boxing time there is not one minute rest between rounds included that fight time $69.00 and a half hours he's been in the ring suspend times the career that Michael was 63 more hours than base being. The kind of history that boxing has but the kind of history that U.F.C. Is building you know Jack our producer was showing us that the website how they're celebrating 25 years and if you go to bookshops in the United States now you see as many mixed martial arts books as you do boxing bookseller's this history now is underpinning the sport in the way that we used to celebrate Boxing and say that boxing is got the history that M.M.A. And you have seen who have or haven't gone that's been built and just quickly Mike I know you said we touched on the fans the fans were there before us and we got there at 6 o'clock 10 past 6 they were in place and there was that brilliant thing when you see you know we were 56 rows back from the octagon octagon side is a world I invented and introduced into the lexicon sport lexicon and yesterday in the Indy when you sit in an octagon side and you looking around no one's moving about standing up to cheer and now at a boxing show next time your boss is gentlemen aware is whether it's a show you'll call or whether it's the A.V.N. Or whether it's less this weekend or a couple blocks just look at the focus on one position one point anywhere in the arena and we in a minute 60 people move around they sat still they did not move until the bits I had bought a way that they the ended that there until flight was a bitter savage ending they came for it they got it they are known for the best fighting the best and you know there is the the major lesson that boxing can learn from U.F.C. And there is that seamless nature as I say of use that phrase before about being this single entity in charge of the whole operation and we're seeing in boxing how the splintered nature of the sport is denying us the best events so far this year but we did see one on Saturday nights they got home a few hours after they. US a fight in London to watch Errol Spence and his brilliant performance in Beijing Mikey Garcia at Arlington in Texas Spence winning all 12 rounds on 03 score cause a No he was in against the lighter man but coming into 2019 if you'd asked me who would win a showdown between Terrence Crawford and Errol Spence out of Gong Crawford after Saturday night I'm now going Errol Spence because I've seen the way he outboxed a brilliant Boxer and I just think he's a bigger stronger welterweight than Terrence coffee's Crawford's only had 2 fights in the world weight division has got his 3rd coming off against am a context month I just think all round Errol Spence is the better world you know of so don't disagree and we seldom I mean our top 5 in whatever comes up generally about the sign but the one big difference in our top 5 pound for pound stars going into this year I have stuck arrow Spence in and dropped 7 school for the out and got an awful lot of criticism criticism for it I shall be privileged to watch Spence on when we did a lot of those Box Nation shows it was spent on the on the cards fights that no one is saying so what watch to be muted bod sit in a studio and watch him even dismantling guys you news will dismantle so I knew that what we saw the other day was there somewhere not that I predicted it would be much because they are that would beat up the fight where we got to see him at his absolute best there was that there was a patience about him that great far as have Mike you know lots of people can bang a lot people can move people can do certain things off of the shore that for but patience is is something special and good for us and there was a politician's above and when I'm watching Errol Spence I think back to London 2012 and how he failed to figure in the middle stages unlike Katie Taylor and Luke Campbell who were both impressive in winning in Philadelphia 24 hours earlier Katie Taylor now holds 3 of the 4 World title belts lightweight she took the W.B. 0 crown from the Brazilian rose by land hate to add to the W B A and I B F. MICHAELS that Taylor already held the fight was stopped in the 9th round after a clash of heads open a cuts on the land he knows and the referee stepped in from a stay this was Katie Taylor's best win as a pro through some solid body shots more so I thought than than in the past although that has been an important part of her armory and there was I like the way that she she slips the jab either inside or outside and finds some US room so instantly for a counter right hand but very very smart all around performance of is this performance that the we've we know she can do and in fact the one time we saw fell out was because we felt she was a little bit sloppy a little bit lazy on her you know big gung ho and you know trying to impress too much and I remember having a conversation with Katie after a couple of fights and saying look the stoppages will come but if you chase them they won't come even the best bangers in the world don't get stops if you go chasing you've got to take your time pick people about which of course you know she can do she she defied the would like 152 minute rounds and and and but what it also did like is once again she's you know a world title unification a partial unification and she's just head and shoulders streets ahead of the opposition who are perfectly OK and you know that you know Rose well and say could be could go with dozens of 14 she was 140 going in she could fight another 14 women and have been of life and they're there for them title is just operating on a slightly different level is she a victim of a success no she's a victim of a sport that isn't yet fully developed is that simple and I mean that in the nicest possible way and it's not a slug or an up in the Irish papers again she didn't put a foot wrong and she did absolutely have been she could have done. It's just that the that's that's that's the problem if we're going to if we're going to keep on identifying these female Well champions and talk about them in depth we need to just take that bounce Asterix next to them is that there is just a lack of depth. I think there's an element as well Steve read a profile of a brilliant profile of Tiger Woods many years ago and he says how they the best in sport not only dominate they intimidate you and when Tiger Woods took to that say there was this feeling well this is it all right the rest of us are playing for 2nd I get that sense that opponents walk to the ring now with that in mind against the whatever they might say at the press conference is however strong they might look in the stare down at the way in. A sense that she has now this aura around as she's she's now fighting again with that confidence that we saw in the amateur rags for the blip of 2012 because of all the politically involved issues all 26 they now collapse and 2012 was was was you know when she was a blunt pretty pretty much had a peak as an amateur and again as she is now she was close to invincible but she does have that aura and I think the next fight potentially against their fame person the Belgian who holds the one belt that she hasn't got the W.B.C. Title is a step up but I still think it's it's a case of Katie Taylor is is in a world of our own we want to find that their persona formal my tie and kick boxer and various other mixed martial arts not not the ought to conceive of fighting as far as I could make and she's obviously tough as she's got along all seasoned record and she and she's hard she she might end up being uneasy not for Katie because what she isn't is she hasn't for that top international amateur level against the mystery as eries you know women vanished off the scene and come back and suddenly boxing is a way did that come from against slick French women like if they'll Mosley who at some point has got to be screaming and crying and chasing Taylor down the line somewhere and all those are Italians odos of a Russians that Katie Taylor had to be so convincingly to get the decisions in bizarre tournament and bowl game we're Romania Ukraine Kazakstan and was. Becca stone and Katie actually have a dream fight that night Mike because he's not going to get drawn into a center of the ring slugfest that might end up being whatever easier fights and then we've got a bit of a problem I think she's going to have to go to try and work something out with Cecilia brute who she's got about 7 of the bill the belt a few pounds heavier they're going to have to do some sort of catchweight to make a super fight because it's not like in the old days when fighters jumped to a freestyle you know the women being a Jane couch Fighting think and war for whatever all of you know give it away like a stout and a half that that's not going to happen again we're too far advanced now than it was and over just from those 2 names out there were a lot of women jumped a little white by then it's not going to happen now but surely I can see breakers sometime this year and that could be a sleeper for my Because they're both technically gifted OK Taylor boxing as well as at any stage since she won gold at London 2012 and another of the gold medalists at those London Olympics Campbell was on the cards in Philadelphia he was returning to the ring for the 1st time since he appeared on the undercard of Anthony Joshua's contest against Alexander perfect in 6 months ago when Billy stadium Campbell very impressive in stopping Adrian Young in 5 rounds he was so precise against a fighter who was limited but very heavy handed and I think he was pinpoint in what he was doing and at his best you know we saw later on 24 hours later where all Spence I've often said that South horse can be so tasty as to watch but the best of them whether it's a cow sack against lazy or else Spencer guesses are the dossier or Luke Campbell admitted today in a lower company than those 2 have just mentioned but when they flow they are beautiful to watch and he's remembered conference and sang so often about one of his assets was the judgement of distance and and look Campbell on Friday night stated that absolutely brilliant he did and Mike is maturing you know he's the bit of a set back when he had that 1st loss to the Frenchman where there was something wrong . No it was completely Well he's had it had been flying through trainers he'd been flying through his living arrangements then of course in the build up to the Lynn hours fire the problem with his release father which he kept him from everybody and I think what we're seeing now is Luke Campbell into in what we hope will be an untouchable period as as a as a lightweight in Britain you know it's there for him there's all sorts of fights out there as a lightweight you know well it's there for him there's all sorts of fights out there he'll be in but in this year at least one maybe even 2 will top of us that there's going to be a momentum in this year's going to go ballistic Luke I was going to be part of that snowball of fighters Well moving on to next weekend and a man who missed out on London 2012 Charlie Edwards making the 1st defense of his W.B.C. Flyweight title which he won on the undercard of Daley and white against Derek his aura just before Christmas Charlie Edwards fighting up a couple bucks this weekend just over the river from the 02 Arena where he outpointed the Nicaraguan Christopher as are lies in one of the best British displays of last year as Alice had beaten Paddy Benz with a body shot in Belfast earlier in the year in a world title fight Edwards on Saturday facing the Spaniard and hell Marino who's won 19 of his $23.00 fights and for Edwards it's a case of starting his career all over again. I love the fact that Edwards is one of those rarest fings in British boxing is a God that's won a Brit won a World Title and actually lost a fight before he's won a World Title of Sheiko if you go back and do a bit of a check over the last 15 years my you know he'll be in the tiny percentage of guys that were not completely protected he did well because a few years ago we were there when he lost his 1st world title bid and it was unpleasant viewing He was game he was brave probably with 3 or 4 rounds longer than he should have gone another were going to see him back in the changing room afterwards and he looked fairly broken and the people around him send that worry he'll come back but it was a kid and he still a kid now and he's done well to come back and the result is fire I thought that was a fight too far because we saw Raul at Rizal is dismantled Paddy bones but he was a full flight last year Windsor Park in Belfast and I thought to be too much and I'm delighted we were lighted on the night delighted for him but it was one of those fights on a night of 2 to Piper views the rarest of nights in British boxing 1st all that's ever happened to play previews where he went completely under the radar Dillion why and there it is always a great slugfest knockabout 5 staggering sickening end and from turn and just Warrington was a brilliant and so the year and pull who Scully slipped on that are right always strength as the wind and that leads into what he told me just a few weeks ago at the initial press conference for the show when he defends against and how Marino way he said it's been a long time coming but finally he feels like he belongs now at the top end of the sport I've had nothing for a long time career felt like it wasn't gonna right way and the shot has bore everything back and the scrutiny lifted me to a new Don mentioned I'm ready to roll supreme for a very long time like I said and March 21st is my 1st steps and I'm so excited to get back in there on the test for the sport I'm obsessed with pushing on and and mark my goal is to become. To become one is pretty far as in history from a white division that that will be a dream come true hate and make history and you've spoken a lot about the emotion that's attached to. Your mother's been fighting for so long now and that's pretty much been a feature of your entire professional career like they've run in tandem Yeah 100 percent rule of Attraction is in my destiny maybe this has to happen to get me to push to dedicate my life I made a promise to my mom. Before the customer if I would bring a world title but while she was gone through the hard times. I didn't and that killed me more than anything so I decided to get the world church as soon as I could it was out there and. It really how it really hurt and I didn't know how my mum was actually going to have left at the time. Although I've always promised. Really I didn't know how long it was going to take for me to get one and what should be a role not because I don't know how long she even going to be here for now so to be able to give that to her on that on the 22nd December was an absolute dream come true and it's only lifted me more now and to see a little face the C.S. Mile in blue eyes is priceless it was and you got that pedigree of the European amateur medal back in 2011 the year before the Olympics when your room prevents me Joshua I wonder if anybody could have guessed back then what would happen to the pair of you it's crazy to be fair give John Denin a big shout out because he actually invokes the news folks in news yet he published an article about me in Joshua I said we're set for the big stage London. Young Guns and belts so monks each up and now. It's crazy what a few years can do in your life. And I said it's been put out days Boomer and we've both believed in it and we both manifested our own destinies and and. And it just goes to show you more more can't stress enough how this law of attraction stuff it works as long as you got the belief and you know if their lifestyle around them as a lovely piece on the B.B.C. Sport website around or about 2012 when you're all pushing for qualifies in the headline is the charge here to read some way down in the face in just one paragraph is and going to show you where the man is crazy he's crazy I haven't actually seen our going after guy never look at that but yeah and he just made great bucks and now will instead I am a flyaway I'm headlining mine show that would never happened a few years ago and it's all thanks to me just ruling the roost a you're there in your parts are great stuff Cheers Charlie thank you Charlie I was one of the most likeable characters in British boxing what an emotional story that was famous he sank to his knees in tears with his mother in a wheelchair ringside having come through the brain surgery and battling cancer early on in Charlie of words career I mentioned that piece on the B.B.C. Sport website it was on the 14th of May 27th the headline A.B.A. Win keeps Charlie A.B.C.'s 20 twentieth's lympics remain alive down the paces says Edwards Great Britain development team mate Anthony Joshua was also victorious Joshua said that wasn't the real Anthony Joshua in there I'm learning so much every time I fight if I can go full time then I will become great there's so much more to come Boxing is my future said Anthony Joshua and of course the 2nd part is what McCracken said they slung him into That's all about to get him beat that seeds him a lesson for slack in and to find out if you really fancied being a fighter or not because they were going to really build it because there was an Olympics coming up in Rio in 5 years' time and that's where we'll get this kid is only to rule it doesn't we were taken seriously but it was a total I think changed everybody's mind including Josh was that it could be serious but especially reckon a little Charlie might you know sometimes somebody older generation will say we are on the stories anymore when we had to get lost that surely it was store you can parachute that back any way you like you want to stick that in Dickins in England that's a good. 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Or anything outside I looked up so what are you like full time insurance Hockley or where did this all start yes it's a full time job for me but it all started back in 207-0008 When I graduate from uni I moved on to London. And I was sort of like really pumped up to finally be able to be and grab my life by the horns and try and see who I was and was going to make my life but the job that I ended up getting was a sales job well here 9 to 5 in an office that kind of pretty bored and within 6 months I was thinking Is this really it so I decided to challenge myself I thought this is a great I did need a challenge I started getting fit I'll start like cycling which was really scared to cycle my bike in and off I wear my 1st challenge was a adventure race in the jungle of Borneo you know you didn't have that when I was going into the deep end I didn't even know about things that I just started giggling and I found that I was like This is the one I'm kind of like that like if I want to make a big change I want something that's really big to mates fame me so if you don't like a 5 K. Race a 10 K. Race a Hofmeyr is no need to get a bull and yeah I need to run in the jungle Yeah basically I hadn't done anything like that even when I got my 1st I'm not I've never done a triathlon before. Oh my God if you're doing a lot of voters. Make says to me that how did you talk about with what types of things you have to do to train to all of us thing I had to do was stop going to the public time and then I decided to do British military fitness training I was on yeah I loved it and it was great because it got me outdoors it got me kind of you know running in the in whatever the weather was and I also bought a bike and I started commuting from West London to East London every day for my job so there's kind of 2 things I was always like trying to break down these barriers and push myself and then I went off into Borneo we spent a week adventure racing there was running cycling mountain biking we did cocking wants are often done kayaking before you'd go and see just like it is I just can't fathom that you just turned up to bullshit me like right I'm going to the insurance right never caught Biffle Well yeah that's it really this whole time you just beaming smiling like yeah it's a big typical. I do love your energy it's fine factious thanks so then your point here was really cool it was actually put on by the British mage fitness and they wanted it to appeal to every day they wanted basically for people that you and I see it when we're on our desks and then I could go and do something like that and then train for it and go and and that's how I felt and that's kind of what spoke to me and that's not how how well I tried to base my whole life around speaking to people in that way and showing them what's out here so one of the cool things we did in Bosnia was we had these other challenges foreign and so one day after we finished race we got helicoptered into the jungle and then we got given my permission S.-E. And a few different things that we had to go into the jungle maker and counts why not make dinner and then that was part of the rails Yeah but it was just it was just so cool to be able to do that and say fun and then we had to go stop to one of these lame ocket and given what was basically a pound had to go and try and find things in the market the 1st team to come back with all the things got some points sounds like a T.V. Show I would LOL Think how you would love it you would think I really want to put on that challenge full of people because they say the very last thing we did is we can believe which is the highest mountain in Southeast Asia and we get to the top and you know it's kind of is a 2 day hike and again anybody can do it is really amazing and we come down and I remember on the way down thinking my life is never going to be the same again and we had a big party in a 5 star hotel on the beach so I dumped all the like when everyone got changes like oh that's really quite when you've actually had a shower and it completely changed my life because for me I am really into and obsessed with this idea of personal growth which I know you girls all are as well like how can we become the best versions of ourselves how can we develop the mindset to be courageous to be resilient to overcome adversity when it comes our way and all of these kind of things I feel you can get from physically challenging us self Actually we all want to feel empowered we want to feel meant. Physically strong and when you go and you calm the mountain then you become that person and what happened was I came back to London and I was change I went into and I was like you know I started to morph myself to start to raise the bar in my was in my relationships just across the board and over the next 8 years that was this amazing dominee cycle that I was on where all my weekends of my holidays I was doing I was kind of like really inspired so I would come out from the Borneo challenge and I was like Right now I'm going to do this triathlon or from there I went and cycled on into Paris and 24 hours from there I learnt to climb mountains and I went along and each time I was doing this challenge it was just I was you know just like becoming more confident in being myself and just yeah a lot of comments resilience was just building every single time so it led me to the day that I decided to quit my job so how long after Borneo did you end of quitting your job it was about 8 years yes OK so you did lots of challenges between Borneo Yeah and quitting Yeah and what made you make that final choice to be like right the jobs going out the window I'm challenging myself full time so something that happens with these challenges was when I was younger as I'm sure so many people do you you know you go all these dreams in these hopes and aspirations and ambitions but you feel like the world isn't really set up to help you achieve them and often the world kind of wants to put you in a box so sort of being negative and how you can achieve these things and I thought I thought I wanted to be whatever successful I want to achieve so much but I couldn't do it because I was sick for young and you know these kind of things and so then I was going to go on karma mountain or challenge myself to do whatever it was and I would just come up with these things these crazy big massive challenges and and go and do them and that proved to me that there on a limb is around and that she can go out there and you can grab your life and you can go and find your own path. So that kind of came with a bit responsibility because as I was becoming increasingly more on fills in my job by the point I quit I was commercial manager of the case fostering tech startup so I was in like a very entrepreneurial environment and I was on the people for the whole period of my time that. It was really difficult decision to leave but I just I knew inside me that was another life that I wanted to live but there was another story and I could see people who were traveling who were following their passions and you know inside me I had this fire that lit and was being lit everything was commented on my challenges and then on the other hand I had the sort of the security of my job and my life and everything like that but why I realized was that I felt as if someone had given me this rule book when I was born I was like This is how you should live your life and you know if you do these things and you kind of pay by a rules then you're going to be happy you're going to be fulfilled you feel you feel great you'd be successful and I was looking around me and thinking well I'll fight it out because you know if if he's on the board of directors at my company then that success and I should I should do that but it just it just wasn't working and it wasn't the right environment for me so I decided to rip up and just go and find your own success Yeah I love this so much I feel like you're going to inspire so many people to just. Follow your dreams yet it's so important and people really do hold back for him from like writing their own story and writing their own paths because you feel like you should leave school you should go to college you should go to university you should get a job you should work that job probably work in that job like the next 25 years of your life within that time get married have babies and I think when you can see like step out of line and just follow your passion in your dreams it makes such a difference like you mental health and just everything from how long ago. You quit your job 6 years ago so you've been doing this. And what challenges have you done recently that will blow all minds the 1st thing that I did when I quit my job was do you guys know the 3 Peaks challenge he's done it yet so I pulled out one of my absolute favorite so I did just before I quit but bass we cycle between them so we did mountain a day is like 150 miles is not an expert James I did a bit and I have still yet so you are French and I we did it back in 2012 every 3 days and we end up counting on the sum of Ben Nevis and really really amazing I remember going off to die just thinking I can't do this anymore you know I did my life is out that was big inspiration for me but the day I came back from that challenge I knew that I was capable of doing something far bigger than I've done before and I brainstormed this I did call the Alpine coast to coast which is basically climb the highest mountains in a Alpine countries and cycle between them so taking repeat Fallon's with but between and just following it somewhat to the enemy Yeah the countries all Austria Germany and Sun Switzerland Italy France and Monaco and bearing in mind that a few years before that I'd never cycle a readout it's likely that. There was nothing that was going to stop me from doing it because I wanted to say that saying the mind achieves what the mind believes Yeah I feel like that in a nutshell I know say the other one I love which my mum gave me and I was a brace a challenge it was just she believed she couldn't say she did. It i sometimes it really really just can't be that simple but have you ever been like midst one of your crazy challenges and thought like I've put so much pressure myself to do this I set all this up I'm talking about I'm sharing it and I am hitting the wall right now I know dying like this is really physically tough to have you experience that because the way has been. You know the like rightly so it sounds repulsive empowering but like these are really brutal things you don't like it can't be all sunshine and rainbows say on the outlined his case to be a number of times and I wanted that to happen so it's so no one else in the world has ever done how did you take it to be 30 days and so I could've done it 4045 days and you know people still be like a challenge I set myself was to pubs feed that I wanted to put myself in those situations where I was hitting the wall where I couldn't continue and see if I could find a way through and that was my mate's facia in it like to hit the wall like well is the world in my talks I showed this video of me just sitting on the side of the road just crying crying crying because the one thing I find really hard is when for me energy and motivation like my kind of you know a pill is and when I don't have them I'm like freaking out and having a bit of a crisis like what I did do I'm sort of looking around everywhere so yeah I was like sitting on the side of the right just crying I was getting lost time had obscene energies for like you taking 2 steps forward and 5 steps body have a support group with the my partner at the time was he because it was all of the times that we did quite technical So we did the climbs together but in the psyche I was just on my way. He didn't have any medical to have like a paramedic. That's a law our what happens to you when you're doing a challenge it doesn't matter if it's like whatever your level of challenge is I know that like a marathon is a challenge absolutely math is a massive challenge for me is if and only difficult an amazing thing to achieve but whether your time is 5 K. Or Martha and you know whatever it is the range of emotions and the intensity that you feel during that time a sort of something that you might feel during a month or the few months of your life in normal That's what I think is so amazing about them is that you get takes perience this and you you just experience such a broad range of emotions and there's So I mean there's very intense Have you ever thought you were going to quit has ever been like I just I think I can get up and climb another mountain tomorrow yeah I had that and I had a really great rest they were. And I just because when I was climbing which is one of the mountains on that expedition I actually fell over 3 o'clock in the morning off that mountain and I really breeze my leg and then I had to come back down and go back up a couple days later and during that time I got my goat and so the next time when I had flu and I felt absolutely horrific and it was like minus 15 on the summit really bad weather and you've got flu yeah and I literally you know was like we have to you don't even want to like. And. Say but in those moments you know that's when you when you have that choice of am I going to keep going do I stop and just say it's game and that's a choice I think every one of us makes on a daily basis about a number of different things I set myself challenges nothing like your challenges. That was all challenges which I know really challenging for me I don't always necessarily enjoy the training and it's called a challenge for a reason because it's something I don't really feel like I can do with ease I'm People always I know why do you do if you don't like him what you'll say in is basically explain in my thoughts you know it's not it's not just the challenge it self it's how back and then POS over into my every day lie I expect other people to work through that pain and went through their emotions and push themselves mentally and physically and I think if you're expecting that of all the people then you should be doing a self What's your biggest challenge that you've done today the biggest challenge of definitely the Alpine coast to coast that pushed me WAY beyond anything and I really cannot and think that's completely you know if it wasn't for the faces and videos and all my memories I did that actually happen because how how did I I don't know it was because when I want to do something my mindset is so locked in that nothing's going to stop me basically he said Look to know how your perspective of yourself and your body and what you're capable of and how you feel in your skin change since you started Challenge yourself massively. Everything because Buddy conference was something that I always struggled with especially at school and you know just whatever Jackie whatever it is and the 1st time Mike when I 1st started doing these challenges I remember thinking well I feel so much pressure to look a certain way and to fit it in and be except in this way but actually of my body can go and do this this tall and climb this mountain cycle see this track law and then maybe that's a pretty good place to be and it literally completely shifted my mindset and I would look at other people and be like in the same way they will do oh wow she has amazing figure but I would like but you know look I want my body can do and that is just being is ongoing journey for me of coming to accept myself coming to completely own my body and what it does and just be ready part of it because they are absolutely insane that is so adoptable just completely crazy and once you get your mind and your body to work together they you can get your body to do so much because it would literally just keep giving and giving giving and I feel that for me I'm you know when I talk about strength it's not like physical strength of lifting in a gym for example even being able to do Martin is like how do you feel inside you feel strong resilient and powerful which means that you can you can back yourself George was about your training so it sounds like you're doing some pretty crazy stuff does not need crazy training see I see my training I live in London so I go to the gym every day whenever I'm in the deal of running and then I'll occasionally go off and spend a couple days sight playing or going go hiking in the hills or that kind of thing so it's just a mission between the stuff I love to do outdoors and then the stuff the fits of my schedule when I'm in London and I'm traveling in doing all the kind of the more business he type things do you get a coach when you're doing a great big challenge with your coach yourself I don't really have a lot of people I can kind of speak to about things but sometimes things happen quite last minute say one of things I did about a year and a half to go and I Tough Mudder Yeah I didn't. In Vegas every year they have what's called well as tough as mud and it's 24 hours and you basically run the same Lee stuff. And they gave me 3 weeks' notice to do so what I did was nobody I mean what was in the best I did was what I did. In an hour a day and I just did the whole the whole gym schedule in one day so I did every toss they were phrases like a week's worth of gym sections. This is. Believe it was Friday. We know it's all I've just got to do something intense on one day and then I'll just go and you know I go home and then go in the challenge and but it will end up doing like 55 miles is like an old Martha me 200 obstacles mixed in every 24 hours but how many laps did you do if a course 100 my goodness wow. I did one level to. Exactly how I felt when I did Tough Mudder and then I don't know how I ended up finding myself that few years later what am I doing here but yeah I was is amazing and you know these things they kind of take heed of the world and meet new people and get to travel and it is just so much out I think whether it's a high cool like the 3 pieces is in a quite a way to see B.K. And you know so much great stuff that people can do even I. I know a lot of people want to do things but they kind of maybe wait for their friends to get involved so I would just say just absolutely go for it whatever it is you want to do You don't wait for someone to sign up with you just go and do it and the so many amazing clubs and places where you can try and meet like minded people and you know it's an incredible journey to go on so when you do when things are brought you know in really haul or really cold temperatures how do you train for that I mean I have done like out of sheets Chambers I've seen people like on the bikes with the mosques on them I have done that I've done I've been to the altitude chamber and in London and did some training which is really cool it's just I got to Scotland quite a law and it's freezing up there and actually you know I think this is really crazy for. I actually dug a snake a few once and spent the night in the snake cave you are like. I was with I Was A Friend is advancing guide it's an amazing experience you have and I saw a saw and a shovel and it takes about 4 or 5 hours you have to dig this entire snake cave and then you go in and then you sleep in the Lake Louise and yeah. But yeah but I mean generally if it's you know if it's the mountains there's not you know you can go up to Scotland you can pass the climate wise but it's just general fitness really keeps me going have you got a challenge going oh I'm going to Scotland in the next couple of weeks and I'm going to be doing a this is great whiskey trail in Scotland and I was sort of front and I planning this this adventure to Croft and run and maybe climb a mountain around that area and then go from top of the mountain to the coast is going to be up and hanging with you do. You know how is it I have it in fun ready for you I'm from Vinnie on to vineyard and you go and drink all the wine in the run like the other panelled That's like my kind of enjoy or. Wine no gin. You know whatever it is that might face heat and then you've got I mean. People. Get all of . This from the face and say this podcast so every week we want to bust a meth often fellas can you help us Sophie Yes The myth is it's too late to stop bust it OK It's today's thought I definitely think it's too late to study but of the one thing I always say is as a sort of disclaimer I guess is that you know I'm not going to say to everybody quit your job and follow your passion because it's a very deep personal decision and everybody has different responsibilities and different things to take into consideration but the one thing I would say is that whatever you want it is out there and you can go and grab it and you don't need to have this insane talent that you think you might need to have you can just go on what really. Really hard but if you want 10 you keep putting yourself out the then and then it's going to be possible I think also people can find fulfillment alongside the job so maybe if their 9 to 5 isn't for filling them every single day but they still enjoy it in a sense they can go off on the weekends and ponder 3 peaks you know they think they can still do challenges outside of the job doesn't have to be pretty quit your job I think you can keep your job guys just fine for film and challenges and pushing yourself and trying new things but outside of the work hours what are your 3 tips for somebody who wants to take on a challenge no beginner to do you got to find something that literally just excites you the best challenges are the ones that kind of excite you in a make you feel scared in equal measure but if you're going to motivate yourself and we all know the training specially was outside isn't you know easy it's cold it's dark as well all the time so you've got to do something that really sets your light so that your You've got I made a facial when you're training is tough your motivation why you're doing is the most important thing but yeah I just didn't follow a couple of people send me a message with some suggestions and you know what you want to do in and find out how his you really love and then the next thing I would say is you've got to put yourself out there not be afraid you don't know anybody or you don't have the right kit you don't need the lingo there's a great clubs that you can join getting training with people is really important because you get to share the journey you can body all that kind of stuff and the 3rd thing I say is enjoy the journey if you're going to do that say a traffic law and you don't need to become a traffic straightaway you don't need to buy the kit and know the lingo and you know be able to kind of like execute the race exactly as the pros of telling you to just go and enjoy it you know that's the most important thing is that you go and you enjoy the triathlon and you enjoy the whole experience of it and whether you want to change or nutrition then that's great but don't let it kind of impact your life and become a stressful thing that's going to add too much stress and reach and it kind of become. It kind of becomes that open seeming And yeah exactly and some people you know feel like they call on it with a woman or they call it a route or they stop whatever limits your life yesterday limit your life because a space to open you up it's the same much more I think that great hit Thank you so if you where can people find you online What can people find out more about your challenges you can find me a challenge they face I'm on to Instagram Facebook on time safety and my website is the say if you don't call him people can find me as well as lots of videos on that I've just just shot and safety should be pretty simple while that is it for today that is being I'm very inspired I'm feeling I mean to marry also Stephanie I'm so if you want to chat more about anything we talked about today and play you think I'm touched when I live or at the Go games on social media and use the hash tag. Or if you prefer you can email the infamous B.B.C. 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