So tonight we have a quite amazing story about debt and how one man got out of a huge amount of debt it's such a compelling story I'm delighted begin to be talking to him about his journey without also this evening going to be talking about palm oil and the issues there in also Carty for Christmas we'll be chatting about that and we'll be talking about the return of some facts to India all of that to come with me tonight show this is Yasmin call on B.B.C. 3 Counties radio. About goodness face. kitchen thinking that I could sing like. Unfortunately what actually comes out of my mouth face is more likely something that would make you is blade but I'm a trial I think that's the way to look at it. Kicking off the show that night with most of MUST on the if you've just joined me welcome along. With the B.B.C. 3 Counties radio I'll be doing very well on this Sunday evening in Iraq top warm now more than 80000 young people in the U.K. Could be living with undiagnosed heart conditions and around one and a half 1000 young people a year die suddenly in the U.K. From these inherited heart conditions that's according to the British Heart Foundation 18 year old man was lucky to have his his inherited health condition diagnosed when he was 7 years old he has hypertrophic cardiomyopathy Now this is where the muscles of your heart become thickened and sadly this makes it harder for the heart to pump blood around your body both Manville is Brother Man and on. His mother in the deep have the condition H.C.M. a Man of a joint me on the line now good evening. Signs are in a trance thank you for talking to his man via Kinney can you tell me as far back as you can remember what happened when you realize that something was wrong. Initially it was actually my older brother who was diagnosed with a condition. When here even 16 I was wrong having 8 years of age because when he was I know we were we were told I was genetic so me my mom I kept on her at all for the next couple years after that and I'm the one your resources are in you and your brother man and when he was being diagnosed what had led up to that well how did you notice something was wrong or how did he know she something was wrong it was his 16th past day who you regularly used to play rugby for a school team he came home when it was a really feel himself while reading it and then. He collapsed and my friends are taken to any who had been. Tested and then recited or popped in right he was told he has this condition. And I know you were young but I wonder if you can recall it must have been terrifying to a see your brother in this situation and then to learn and again as a 7 year old trying to get your head around what this even means that that this might be something that you had. I mean at the time I was. I was aware that I would have had it honest at that age I couldn't even remember in the sense like why he was in there for all I knew he was suddenly in the hospital that was quite a shock because he was rather relieved even to drive on being one of the healthiest of the family. From back then I remember he was quiet it was more shocked than anything else because it was so sudden and as you say it was a single birthday he saw I feel this discomfort and he is from being for me absolutely healthy the sudden he is he is Ivan sounds like he was in hospital it was just cause and very tight the best thing to go on. So for me brother going into hospital I presume they did not B.C. They diagnosed it and then talk to the family that this was something genetic and that you needed to did your mom hear. That that identified my mom as the carrier that they had seen the traits. And somehow to see Jesus and I cast alive and I could see that I had the gene it like in me but it wasn't like there was a evidence for it so he actually I mean he's young to the symptoms tired I think that was when I was like 9 timing time right and were you aware of what it meant and I. Just I mean at that age I was my understanding was I have a heart condition that up until the point of when the symptoms aside coming I have to be honest 2 hours housey 2 hours fine it was only after when it hit me then obviously them I don't understand these other facts so you would use presumably you know running around like any other child. Like disease and suddenly get landed with this and how was it medication but what did they say gee what more impact did it have on your life straight away. So from the age of 11 on rates I've . Been basically in and out of hospital size of of starts by my best day leaving the hospital. Due to me having like my 1st lessons which of arbitration. From the from the age onwards till till now well now this year and the last year of In Touch are in my whole high school years I have in the toe of the 5 years I should be kind of a new being able to attend maybe one year into not even last gosh it's not easy and just little Thanks on your life here the fact is fact in my school life is like in my social life but our one point it did affect my I could say my well being of course being hit with something so sudden out that I was very like how or where I don't know what to do here half the time when it is and it just is a lot of pressure and as a young person thinking I'm missing school everyone else is you know having the social aspect of things as well as school hours and how did you cope with sort of trying to keep your mental health buoyant. My mum has always been a very good kind of role models way because of because of the fact that compared to my brother her and me have gone to a lot more of the stimulus in terms so I always feel as my mom is going through this now it's my turn around would always be there every step of the way supporting me making sure I get. So so your mom is faced with a situation where she knows she's the area and both her sons are affected and a new symptoms presumably things like as you say that prevented you from doing normal things palpitations breathlessness that Asian recklessness. Just minus kind of dizziness our on point and it was a call to the point that I couldn't really get out that form for a majority of the day and what kind of treatment have you had and what is what is possible have even had I believe a different paper later when you have to. Have a nicety who plotted a Me and mom on a mixture of different medication. And I've had like a few feet implants such as diversity ablations of. The medication it just has been more research helping me to find the right the right combination the has the I.C.D. Help to see that that's where a lot of because it was great as a preventative for in case anything was to happen touchwood I haven't had a problem yeah. It's been very beneficial nonetheless but man the growing up with this it must seem like life is very fragile T. . I guess growing up with this are kind of it's just it's not so much fragile it's more I kind of. Like the good in life like my line and realize that everything should be taken for granted like I've I've had a 2nd chance while being told I have this condition how do I not been told I could have been one of the millions who are affected until it's too late it's made you appreciate everything more. And when you look ahead now what what do you hope for yourself I know you said you've missed the law school what would you like to do. I would just like to live a long happy healthy life I've been given the opportunity to do that thanks it an amazing like work of my dog to people who research well in addition that the B.H. Afrikaner help fund research with our teachers are just being given I could save Office 2nd opportunity to just live life to the fullest while we really hope that is the way things go for you and how's mom and how she brother my mom's good she's received recently in the last she's had she has had a heart transplant which has gone very successfully by the touch was the same his Stinson's are now very as evident and he has been good since the diagnosis. Well we wish you all the the very best wishing you improving good health and thank you man there 3rd person much for sharing your story on the line we also have a doctor. Who is a heart transplant patient and an ace this hello that said hi good evening thank you for talking to us tonight very welcome I'm just really struck by listening to a man with their who you know as we said sort of running around as a young child as anybody else does age having a good time and then suddenly being hit with something that is within them that they had no idea until his brother got tested is quite terrifying frankly it is a very poignant story and I'm so glad you're OK not understanding it up such a young age you know have the tools to cope with it yes but being provided with around half stick support from the organizations he mentioned I'm glad he's coping well yeah he sounds like is yes and as I mentioned around one and a half 1000 young people a year die suddenly in the U.K. From these inherited heart conditions and again it's frightening because no one routinely gets the heart test to do that is not something you do if you're in otherwise good health that is correct but we are quite aware of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and if there is a suspicion of anyone in the family or on Maui extended family are identified and looked at so it's something that in the U.K. Is being diagnosed earlier probably now more than ever because we have we know now that it's it's quite prevalent and screening relatives and immediate family is the way ahead hopefully in the future we'll have some kind of genomic terribly worried it about. Children that they feel racial and the siblings but so. All we can do is identify. People I already treated and this is not something the at the A.G.M. Is not something that is prevalent to a particular group is it or ethnicity not that I'm aware of my angle that it is quite common that usually die goes Holst. A young adult males usually in their twenty's and thirty's. We as doctors are as of a mystery of I know about the 1st sign of any such. A tool that we get we would stop right there an effort to cardiology to help them fully warmed up for the condition Unfortunately it's reasonably easy to diagnose and you yourself as I mentioned in your introduction had a heart transplant you sell it to see. How long ago was that now it's been about 6 of our sales. Cooperated. In May of 2012 and I mentioned in your in in this issue so did it make you coming from a medical background having something is he just a heart transplant or did it make you a worse patient because you knew more or less going on all well it definitely did. Work in cardiac surgery as a niece of the Star I understand physiology really well and it definitely made a huge difference to me because it was a shock not only to my doctors it was a shock to me when I saw here I was diagnosed with how much how little of my heart was actually functioning. But along with my doctors I was able to actually get back to full time work. As a new seduced much before I was transplanted So that's that's a huge crater the doctors themselves but we did know. You know Tim was would reach a point where. I might I will need a transplant I'm glad that point came I was very quickly put on the list and fortunately everything went really well and are now back again absolute time work fortunately being a productive member of society and doing what I always want to do that is being abusive as I did the water I didn't I don't know how to do anything else. Yeah. Trying to. Be more empathetic because I understand it quite well I am some of my patients school too and I'm very much hoping I'm a much better doctor now that I was before. Listen thank you for talking to us night and it's wonderful to hear you in good spirits and good health and we wish you take care we wish you all the best. For that and also before the month thank you so much to both of you for talking to us tonight. 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The this evening B.B.C. Radio right coming up to travel we're going to be talking about the return of fax to India but festival shown more has the latest travel travel. And B.B.C. . Well starting off all the M one southbound Davies curing from Junction 14 it will sink Ames dancey 13 from Bedford to the road works 2 lines have been closed they're all from accidents on the northbound side of the M one there's been another exit which means 2 lanes are closing junction 10 at least natural sparrows done to 11 for Dunstable south traffic Jenny is moving fairly well through that young 40 northbound slow off the direction from Junction 13 M. 25 junction 16 times junction 2 for Beaconsfield and 25 clockwise 2 lines are closed down it's killing off an accident from Junction 16 time to 17 from Maple cross that's causing he's back to junction 15 there for the M 4 and change of seeing around half an hour to get through those delays on the M $42.00. Just before junction for the High Wycombe probably crossed one about. Their problems reported on public transport B.B.C. 3 Counties radio. B.B.C. 3 Counties radio. 6 evening now the India pride project is a volunteer run organization which aims to return thousands of artifacts which he says was stolen from India during the colonial era he says many of these treasures are in museums across the world protest Patel is a volunteer with the project and joins me on the line now good evening. But even 1st of all potential What made you want to get involved and so just to correct a very quickly it's not just about looting the colonial era there's a huge sophisticated can all network right now across the globe which specialize in illegal antiques and antiquities and so some of the stuff you see in the museums and in particle action is actually being stolen right now as we speak and so to answer your question of what made me get involved I saw a news article involving Angela Merkel return in a very beautiful statue of the Goddess to go which was carved in all of it in Classical period and they saw that don't make any more in Kashmir the whole tradition died when she returned this from one of the museums in Germany to learn the more they. Are are sold just spread my interest around this when earning antiquities and in mice or Google searches I ended up on the I.P.T. Website and. I are into their news page which shows all the success stories aware I.P.T. Is encouraged countries to return stolen heritage and interestingly the U.K. Was not mentioned there at all in contact with them and said look what what's the U.K. Doing if anything the returns from our New Zealand in the set who had. Nothing from the U.K. But more importantly we have got new volunteers in the U.K. Not all got involved yes but I don't know what exactly is your role as part of the project OK so I'm just of the volunteers were all completely volunteer organ of volunteer lead organization and where going to people who are really interested and with passion about and you know. The bulk of what we do is to. Raise awareness and to catalogue where there might be sources of stolen Indian antiquities So my job has been to go to the museums tech pictures of every single Indian piece in there and connect that back to our network operate internationally and we're trying to sort of create some sort of like like a database of images and places where the might have been stolen and we've got other volunteers who are working with diplomats who work with M.P.'s across the globe who are trying to bring about. The return of images we've gotta love our experts as well who are working with us and my work specifically has been about visiting museums cataloging get a piece I'm doing right now is awareness raising including speaking to the counties tonight but also the other major outlets as well a lot of the community here are not aware of this big thing is to to make them aware and all the stories you mention the engine and the medical thing but are there stories of other things being successfully returned. So from the USA we've had around 16 images relocated since 2014 the shadow are 2 very high profile cases where the Met Museum in New York returned stolen images back and we had Canada getting involved in 2014 though a very very high profile case of 2 images of the ship that was stolen by a quite sophisticated network involving one of the biggest dodgy Ardalan as an anonymous returned in 2014 and again I was with the Australian PM and you're more the Indian P M. I think I've mentioned Canada we've had Singer more as well in addition to Indian artifacts We've also had. The crown in France prison macron saying that he's going to work with West African countries to attend some of their art we've had to call been here in the U.K. Say that if you was to become Prime Minister he'd return the Elgin Marbles to Greece as well so there's a lot of buzz around this right now and countries are getting involved and so for us it's a pretty South Asians how important would you say that some of these artifacts and of course the history in the stories around the mall. So you know we're not dead civilization so a mummy in a museum in novels POV a culture that died a long time ago Ours is a living civilization where we will continue seams and we see some of the images that are part of the stories upon the culture you know things that they remind them about at some of the gods including the borders that they tell because they're part of our culture they're the festivals we celebrate today that you know when we go and see these images we're so wonder why they're in a museum famous example one of our. Supporters even to museum the sea as a New York and he saw an image of the god Ganesh and it still had on its forehead you know the Sun Road and the red face that we mounted on forehead with the congressman John then he saw that anyone how an image that looks like it just recently been worshiped just ended up in a museum so we're going to go in on this doesn't look right because we know where these images come from we know the context in which they're prepared so it means a lot to us and I'm thinking back to you know when I was a kid and we are not going to buy individual museums obviously we'll get taken to museums and I would see artifacts from all over the world and I remember my dad was very keen on me seeing things from South Asia because it's obviously our heritage. Is it more about the fact because as you said you describe some of the midst of this matter where they are if as long as their history and knowledge and heritage is being shed so 1st of all I mean these images were not prepared for the museums they were prepared for communities they were prepared for palaces for all the temples churches and mosques they belong in the context in which they were created for and therefore they need to be returned back to those communities who commissioned these works for example ready you have a lot of bronze images from the State of time of the da