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And the last few hours Kalai has been brought to a standstill by protesters wanting the migrant camp known as the jungle to be claims to lorry drivers follows a blockade in the main motorway reach into Cali and local people have been taking part on foot they say they feel increasingly threatened by the tactics of the migrants who are desperate to get to the U.K. Will talk about that in around 20 minutes time for the 2nd half of the program we're also going to be discussing claims by former and current Paralympians that increasingly more able bodied athletes are being allowed to compete in an effort to win medals but let's begin today's program speaking to voters in Hong Kong after new generation of pro-democracy activists won political seats but China supporters will continue to hold the majority of seats on Hong Kong's Legislative Council but those pushing for greater democracy say it demonstrates the real Will the people have for change will amongst those elected is Nathan law who helped lead the umbrella protest back in 2014 calling for self-determination to speak to a couple of 8 is now a crane I Edwards bass pro democracy voters current I 1st of all tell us how life has changed in Hong Kong or otherwise since those umbrella protests a couple of years ago. Well. I can feel like the party protesters. You know used to you know just peacefully protest and then they would just go to work but like after like umbrella and then I realized that you know like being peaceful we've got might not be like might not get what we want so we have to use other options so like they are in some kind of new ideas like maybe like it might be some new ideas coming up like. Going a little bit violent maybe well maybe and then yet that will be one of the options so that's why there was a riot. Earlier this. February because. We realized that peaceful protests might not have to same function as it used to be an edge which would you say that in line to these different tactics to achieve democracy that the have been more concessions from Beijing as a result. I mean thanks. For that I completely agree that the mood in Hong Kong has changed among the past. Acting. Like. But I think one me one needs to. Bear in mind. A number of. So-called confess the pro-democracy. Democrats. They've been elected back into the right to carry into the legislature and I think at this stage at least it might be putting too high to say that. Any more practical people. Again. And. For example made them both He's not really a. Violent I think a Type A quiet has been insisting on peace peaceful means so far as it's possible I think that would be. What happened now happening now here. Yes. Crane Why do you think you were you surprised by this result because that would just said some of the more conservative pray democracy people retained their seats it was an old the new more radical generation you were talking about before say we have surprised by the result. Not to talk because you know I actually thought last night I actually voted for you know those that Democrats who the results and not exactly the radical ones but most of my mates you know they were pretty upset about the results and then but but I understand as long as. The new Democrats were elected last night so I will be happy with that but I understand why the red like the people like my base they were supporting you know this kind of a little bit of rock movement they were really upset and I could understand why they were they would be really frustrated because they didn't get enough votes to get their voice into the. Into the. I want to bring in Bernie's Chan on this who is a journalist based in Hong Kong but nice let's talk a little bit about about the value saying that frustration the crying his friends were feeling is quite a sort of splintered democracy movement if you like his intent. Yes in the last year or 2 years there's been a lot of pro-democracy parties that have formed which is a very good thing for Hong Kong it it shows that people are more politically active more politically aware and a lot of them are young people as well but the thing is when you have an election like this then there is the high chance of splintering the vote and so at the last minute like say on Friday night there were 6 candidates who volunteered to step down now technically you cannot step down because your name is already on the ballot but they were saying you know if you vote for me. My chances of winning are very slim so I suggest you vote for this other candidate so this kind of strategic voting happened I think that's why we saw so many people voting late at night because all of a sudden you know parties were saying please vote for this person so they kind of rushed out and did their last minute voting and you say there's been a sudden increase in the number of people standing as democracy candidates particularly young people why is that. Oh it's definitely from the Occupy protests that we saw 2 years ago it definitely woke people young people up and they really wanted to take things into their own hands because they were tired of the pan Democrats they felt like they weren't really listening to them and weren't really doing what they wanted them to do so they thought felt like we have to take matters into our own hands and start forming our own political parties and now you see some of them actually voted into power Edward would you agree with that to the young people were suddenly woken up as Benes puts and. Yes I I think that's true at least to some extent I think or so an indication is that voters especially young is more willing to take a part more towards the special practical and to the political spectrum the election. To appoint outbreak and they knew how to receive the speech and I suppose I should just in principle as a principle I think Mark that Clinton do you think that the the pro-democracy movement as a whole needs to what to get the more we had that from the nice about the splintering effect pretty meat that reaches in in the frustration you're talking about your friends or experience well to be honest it's really difficult for the. Democrats to work with each other because you know like I usually have a surf like on Facebook Twitter. And then like we used to like there are some kind of. You know like companion I must say between you know the. The pen and the local as we call them locally as there where there is so much there was so much of PAC. Between these 2 cams so I know exactly sure how they can cooperate what some of them take some of them they can't but if it's those hot cold local days they will not but they would know they were they were well they were actually happy they were actually be happy to see it pent them for. Whatever reasons but nice commitments. Yes they're the pro-democratic camp there's many different maybe we can describe them as different shades and they have each of them have different ideologies so as he was explaining some of them don't get along with the others so it is possible that the when legislative council isn't session it's going to be very hard to get everybody to work together especially to veto a particular bill maybe because they all have different views but what about the idea of the great too good. There is that idea but as you said earlier some local lists are very particular very strong headed and really want to follow their particular direction so be very interesting to see these rookies when they're in the legislative council to see how they managed to find their way in the Legislative Council they might have to you know give in and yield or they might be headstrong so we'll have to see how they they do in the Legislative Council and pretty when I do a do you get a sense in Hong Kong since those umbrella protests that people feel safe to speak about democracy than they did before the umbrella movement. I would say it's quite the contrary people stance really feel they face. Today expressing their B.S. . On the other hand people far more willing to express their fears is respected as. A safety pin to speak. And I think that must be to do with where something in the nation. That that was prevalent church during the Occupy movement maybe I'm president when the Beijing government simply simply retreat to listen to the people can come well I think. There are more where more young people are talking about the market for democracy and I think back I think but the thing is that the government is also at the same time trying to stifle our voices well take this election it's like sample and then like a month ago there were like pros independents can like they were they had never election rights they had the candidacy like the 9 by the election committee so this kind of you know this kind of thing actually. Worsen the situation because the government tried everything to. Do to a like people young people from having a say. For help from having their say in the political future. All of you stay with us I want to play a conversation I had time just before we came on at with pool Leahy's from the cowling West districts in Hong Kong he can join us live but he gave us his reaction to the election results Well I'm quite satisfied with the results because of the pandemic outside they have retained their veto right after this election and there's been a lot of talk about those votes because of the Ha you Paul Paul and it has been quite worrying whether this veto power would be retained but. It looks as if that it was a success and it wasn't as bad as I expected it to be now obviously there's been lots of attention on the people who were involved in the umbrella protests almost a couple of years ago now and that cool for greater democracy and independence from China and some of those including Nathan will actually winning seats were you surprised that they were elected. I'm actually not too surprised by that because I think they have represented the voice of many young Hong Kong hours. Throughout the umbrella movement when they have gained the support because many Hong Kong has aren't satisfied with the way that the legislature is constructed right now and that Hong Kong autonomy has been lessened increasingly even in these short 2 years post brother movement and so I think even though they're young and they represent the younger voters more I think they have won the support of a large fraction of Hong Kong as for gardeners of their age but of course the majority will still be pro Beijing politicians so will this actually make any difference realistically to life in Hong Kong. Well I think the fact that they have their veto power will well give us some bit of hope at least that there are these Democrats or a word here towards even local lists or those that are involved in the umbrella movement being in the legislature at least gives us a glimmer of hope even though Beijing is giving excerpting more pride more and more pressure on the legislature and and whether or not they could give a change. Realistically it really depends on how they collaborate with within themselves and we could just wait and see. In their coming meetings as well what was police speaking to me I just came on and I wasn't able to join us live but it does raise the issue there of what change will come now no and add to it what change if any will come as a result of these elections. Well that's not off your Carnegie thought OK. Well I think it's too early to tell because well of course I'm hoping for the bash like I mean like young new voices can like bring some new things to the next go but I won't be surprised that the situation will be more or less the same like new people but like the same old style of Mexico you know this kind of stalemate every month here it here and there so I'm not exactly optimistic in a way I do it. I'm not very optimistic. I think the way we're talking about how that is going to operate I think we have to remember that a number of election attention is pending. And that is. As good change as to change something because. The kind that night with the campus candidate's faith in 9 could very well be. Elected into next. 2 months time. In some way be the game changing especially as. To who actually was actively involved in the in the. Brady saga so in that case then do you think that bodes of you saying you know to be optimistic do you think that these elections move the pro-democracy movement forward. Well well you know weight like like that penned them to get more feet at the end so it's a good thing a slightly good thing but. But I think like the penned Dems need to like different groups of pendants need to talk more like they need to cooperate more in order you know to to to pressure to put more pressure on a couple of them because right now it's like dependent me some bets and then like the local And I also think about you know the local days. Like those Penn dimes who are out of sight the next Mexico they could put more pressure outside like as an actor as. The journalists have so I think it like this would be like like there are 2 ways of you know like moving Hong Kong forward one is inside the let's go and one is outside and that's I hope like they can all we can all get it together you know we can and we hope you're right he said pretty much the parties need to cooperate more together but of course to get any real change there needs to be cooperation with do you see that happening. Yes Good question good good question but to be honest this one like what you have like of having That is called Beijing like imposing all this like all the precious all the restrictions here and there of course it will be really really difficult and then it's not of course we can all we can all we can only be optimistic and to be honest like you know like we never know what Beijing can do within months and years so this might be this probably might be our last chance you know like to get you know those young people like to into the national because who knows what will happen within floor years like 2020 Resco election what kind of new tricks would have gotten them say what the new tricks of Beijing say. So there are so many options and do it where do you think yes are I agree on I said I I don't see facing. Up I don't think it's going to be our moral one that broke all or our own legs our respective comedies right there I'm not very optimistic about about that but he's Chan is still with us some agenda is based in New York but nice Well what do you think I mean I see the points raised there as the pro-democracy parties needing to work together but equally the needs to be some kind of working relationship with Beijing Well I think there Beijing is definitely going to look very closely at the street these results and try to figure out how they're going to further their relationship with people in Hong Kong and we also have to keep in mind that next year is when the chief executive is elected now he's not directly elected but Beijing can definitely decide which candidate they prefer that they favor and so these election results will definitely affect that decision that we will see next year and do you think that's likely to be more protests on the streets. Well we'll have to see how it goes depends on what issues come up and how the government deals with them so again the government will definitely be looking at these results and figuring out how to proceed from now onwards and so be very interesting it's very interesting times here Curnow What do you think is the election comes for a new chief executive is that likely to push people back out onto the streets. Oh to be honest and nice to be like a trick I think because you know like we all normal average people we don't have like I would vote for anyway because it's more like this it's more likely to be decided by like you know like a small committee or you know a bunch of probation candidates probation committees so I'm not sure like. F. Course there will be protests but I think that will be it will go back to more like a more peaceful way because. I don't see why I really need to like that I don't see why it will be like bottom protests in a way because there are more of the issues at hand anyway Well yeah what about you I didn't yeah I don't think we completely the right to the election important there was a page on Kong because we don't really have a story on who is going to be elected anyway I mean that there are bound to be more private protests but that's absent any more get more scale protests but granted free cheese people attending I'm definitely not you know not a violent one. Certainly I sell you something Mary they shal Edison isn't much keep an eye on him on the B.B.C. 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