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Studios in central London a new missile test from North Korea but this time Pyongyang says it's an intercontinental ballistic missile will be analyzing what this means and how world powers are reacting about his top story today also how gene testing can help fight cancer and we hear from the young Mexicans deported back to Mexico despite growing up in the United States I still remember that day that that moment when I was at the border with Mexico at the International Bridge where I could actually see where Mexico started for some reason I just started tearing you know my hopes my dreams my entire life I thought the u.s. Was also my country pretty much the kids you know just like a criminal. You can hear that special report in about 45 minutes from now lots more coming up this hour stay with us but we begin with North Korea and it is possible we've reached a milestone moment in the country's efforts to develop its nuclear program Kyung Yang says it has successfully tested an intercontinental ballistic missile if true the range of an i.c.b.m. Would suggest that it may now have acquired the capability to put the u.s. State of Alaska within range the launch increases pressure on President Trump who previously said Pyongyang would not develop a missile that had the potential to hit the United States in a tweet following this latest launch Mr Trump urged China in his words to end this nonsense once and for all China's response was to call for calm and restraint will be taking a detailed look at what this means for stability in the region relations between North Korea and China and what we might now expect from the United States will begin with the news of the launch as it was announced on North Korean state television she's only going to get elected then at that are looking into doing it but it was parked out years old are there any head or you got evidence there you get the news reader that is outlining the details of the successful test firing of a newly developed i.c.b.m. Saying it reached an altitude of 1741 miles and flew 933 kilometers in distance Well the South Korean military has already warned the North that it faces destruction if it continues to violate international rules and launch test missiles Let's go straight to South Korea now and join our correspondent Steve Evans Steve before we look at how the South Koreans have responded let's just go back to what exactly the North Koreans are saying they have done and what makes this significant and different to previous missile tests. Then answer Roger that you heard 1st this used the word Intercontinental and that is a key word because President Trump said that an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of hitting the u.s. Quote it won't happen so that would be significant if it were true. And it is also and all the usual verbiage about the supreme leader supervising the launch and there are lots of pictures of the launch and there's no doubt it's happened and the trajectory was monitored by the u.s. By Japan and the South South Korean military so there is no doubt that this is a step up in technological ability in that the thing was in the air for nearly 40 minutes the apogee height it reached was much higher than previous launches the lateral distance traveled was greater and from that experts can calculate the likely range and they're putting that likely range at anything from upwards of 4000 kilometers 6000 kilometers takes it to Alaska and there are some u.s. You know academic experts who say that the range could be there so it is a step up the announcer also said that they have the capability to strike anywhere on the globe and no outside experts believe that but there is no doubt that he's progress certainly in terms of medium range missiles and conceivably in terms of intercontinental ballistic missiles though there are other bits that you need to put in place before you can do that bit of striking. Cities on the West Coast of the United States with nuclear weapons like a warhead has to be small enough it has to be. Proofed there has to be materials so it can re enter the atmosphere they leave the atmosphere and return they have to be capable of returning intact to explode on target they have to be accurate enough so it doesn't follow that we are at that stage yet where they have an effective long range nuclear arsenal but this test does everybody agrees illustrate a step forward Ok so this step forward has resulted in what kind of response from the South Koreans the nearest neighbors to North Korea and of course significant United States. Yeah I was going to say in a way it's it's almost irrelevant to South Korea because North Korea has the conventional artillery and the nuclear ability to strike South Korea but we have a new president your president moon came in promising dialogue with the Northeast still talking about for example North and South Korea having joint sports teams in the Winter Olympics coming up in February he harks back to the so-called Sunshine Policy where there's communication between the 2 halves of career where he now finds himself in difficulty in that today he convened his National Security Council to try and work out what to do about it. That doesn't mean that he is now on the same page as President Trump because there is still a very different attitude in South Korea to conflict with the North for obvious reasons the conflict would be on this peninsula they would suffer it. Steve Evans our correspondent in the South Korean capital Seoul joining us live thanks very much well let's broaden the political picture somewhat and look at China a key and critical North Korean ally there has been a call for calm and restraint to ease tensions on the Korean Peninsula from Beijing the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Jang also stressed that North Korea's actions violated international law and he called on Pyongyang to refrain from further tests I knew where you all went 3 told here the u.n. Security Council resolutions have very clear rules about North Korea launching missiles China opposers North Korea's violation of these resolutions with the relevant launches and we urge North Korea not to resort to actions that violate these relevant resolutions and return to talks to create the necessary conditions for peace. So what might China actually do in response to this latest test by North Korea is an associate at the Carnegie Ching Chua Center for Global Policy based in Beijing the Chinese foreign ministry has already responded by condemning the test but even if China is willing to impose large stronger sanctions against North Korea I don't think there is much more that China really can do on the ground the next step that China lie to do is to basically cart the crude oil you supplied to North Korea which can directly destabilize the North Korean economic system which is their own code to destabilize the regime and think China wouldn't want to see that have and also if we really pull to the North Korean government into a situation that there is a high chance of reaching the collapse I'm afraid steering that. They have nursing more to lose and they can be even more provocative and even more reckless so outside of what you've outlined what more in terms of diplomacy can Beijing exert I think Beijing is certainly putting pressure on North Korea to come to the negotiating table as quickly as possible and very important a North Korea seems very interested in having a target suspending its nuclear and in the south tests if we read the official statement released by the Korean Central News Agency today after the missile test there are some very interesting words with one poll and I'm paraphrasing here I think the caller than me sound test as the final gauge to roundoff the countries in your care force and as he also said now they are capable of striking in any corner of the world and therefore this task to will fundamentally put an end to the American nuclear war so that which I think reviews are waiting for the North Koreans to seriously consider stopping any future nuclear and a missile test because they already said they have achieved their goal but on the other side if we look to real capability of this nice hour that was tested today even though it Colly 5 days as an i.c.b.m. Based on that definition but in fact if the current data about these tests is correct then resell won't be able to reach the continental United States so it doesn't really present a quality to Glee higher level of threat to United States in some sense what I'm saying is it is possible that North Korea can now claim a victory and therefore be more willing to talk about freezing is a new Canon is Arkham abilities. And this would be with China being the intermediary because you're not sounding as pessimistic as many other people about this latest development of course this is a very worrisome development however I do believe given that North Korea can now claim victory maybe there is some chance for engagement and in this process of course China is more than willing to be of assistance how both it is Beijing that Mr Trump continues to say that China can do more and it's not doing enough of course Beijing is under constant pressure from Washington to put more pressure on North Korea and China I think has done on large and that has made China very vulnerable to possible North Korean retaliation recently the North Korean media has openly criticized China with some very harsh words but I don't think China is capable of making that final step 2 words competing cutting off North Korea's economic lifeline because the consequences would be unpredictable I'm interested in that notion of unpredictability because there are suggestions that North Korea has been calculating that the uncertainty and shall we say the unconventional nature of the administration in Washington has resulted in it pushing in the way that it has is there a sense that Beijing does fear that things could get out of control I think Virgin is indeed concerned but I think the key difference is Beijing still believes that North Korea is genuinely concerned about its security North Korea is a paranoid of Ken tree so Beijing still believe dads leave North Korea obtains a very sick nuclear deterrence capability North Korea will be willing to consider suspending its nuclear and missile investment but these assessments about North Korean incentives and motivations is now shared in Washington. That was Tong associate at the Carnegie Center for Global Policy in Beijing we will be returning to this story before the end of the program you're listening to the b.b.c. World Service this is News Hour. Coming up later in today's program helping refugees in the Netherlands integrate by swapping recipes. In this chicken Lemon. Oven meal with a lot of lemon juice which is a really Lemon normally lemon chicken broth and soap awful as difficult as food. So with us for that reporter headlines this hour South Korea has warned that if it continues to launch missiles in defiance of international rules it could lead to the North's destruction Narendra Modi is about to arrive in Israel on the 1st ever visit to the country by an Indian prime minister the growing arrival of migrants from Italy to Austria has caused diplomatic tensions between the 2 countries and the Ugandan government has set out strict rules as to how public servants especially women should dress. This is Reza with news out coming to you live from the b.b.c. In London. Let's go to Syria now the city the Islamic state group seized back in 2014 and called it the capital of a self-styled caliphate the u.s. Led coalition says it's Syrian militia allies fighting I as have breached the walls of its historic old city the area has been a heavily defended I especially in the coalition said the attacking force it open to gaps in the wall and this enabled them to avoid established entrance points where they'd have been exposed to heavy fire and targeted by suicide bombers let's hear now from Kino Gabriel who's the spokesman for the Syrian military council which is one of 16 groups that make up the Syrian democratic forces your person is working in a very good way so far of course we are having a lot of that is double the resistance from the counter. Norbert to break the. Horses over them of course they are 'd using mostly tactics by posts more drawn to the rubble down of the mines and other ways course it can but. They are using when they are housing. Owners of that didn't stop our forces from getting a lot of progress this country and so far we have been able to completely liberate neighborhoods in the city. Recently we started in your position let's say from the south and neighborhoods of the city that the operation is working that would were still fresh give me an indication of how many troops are taking part and who's in charge who's coordinating the action that's being taken I think I can assume that something around $10000.00 fighters are taking the operation inside the city so far. Or if they are taking part in good order sources why are the saddest parts of it in the dumper not taking part in this operation during your pager segment the cost of affairs and how much of the resistance that you've encountered is to do with hand to hand combat and how much of it is using much more bigger military Amerie that's behind it is a very big specially recently at the 1st few days of the operations inside that city we didn't trace through lot of resistance but lately I think I can say during the last 10 days of the operation we have now facing a lot of counter attacks from. Several through 3 since by their forces and militants among our forces and mostly they 'd were using the north for the. Think that the warst weapon that they are using is suicide car so they are using Give them through trade and they are using them to attack or or forces what's the significance of breaching the wall of the old city is very close to the center of the city and wishing to the well parts of the city and crossing the old world if you have that for Asian is advancing and getting to a very good progress and for that I think it means that we are closer to our goal even though that we know it would take more time and a lot of time to finish the operations completely and to fully recover to gain how much time how much time do you think we think like something around 2 months or so would be a minimum you needed to fully but it's a it's also thought that there are about $100000.00 civilians still living inside rock to what extent has that been taken into consideration in terms of the hand to hand fighting as well as the the length of time that you estimate. It might take a minute to overcome the Islamic state group yeah that's what it is one of the major facts that we were using to estimate and to put our plans I mean the existence of civilians inside the city and even previously the former state just in in the country so. That was one of the reasons that the operations took a lot of buy from us because we didn't want to have you opens you know because in order not to damage the civilians and in order not to harm them the advance is now inside the city or forces and our the fighters are taking good care and for the existence of the civilians and they are trying to help them at the time needed and I can speak in about several stories and point that our forces made operations just to save just to help civilians to cross to our controlled areas and to escape the control of the. That was Keano Gabriel spokesman for the Syrian military council one of the groups that make up the Syrian democratic forces. Adoption landlord is offering to reduce tenants rent by $100.00 euros a month if they dedicate 10 hours a month to helping their refugee neighbors to integrate the project in and Hoeven is one of many across Europe in which normal people are trying to help asylum seekers adjust to their new lives Anna Holligan has been to has been to see how it works. Yuri the local is showing us around his neat modest law style apartments inside their city factory where why one room. Is walls are covered in photos of friends and holidays we're here to find out why he wanted to be a mentor you can help somebody I think that's a pretty nice if you can help somebody and 2nd of all I'm also new when I enter over so I didn't know many people so it's also good for me and it's his mentees birthday today 3 years oh made and Drew and then I took over tot mom was a student in Damascus but fearing he'd be conscripted or killed he left when the war arrived and I think it is what it was before and though I have everything I miss from my life and Tom and doesn't speak much English yes and he's still working on his Dutch but he in your ear already share a love of food and music. He may be nice and chicken Lemon potato often meal you know the 1st time I went to his house he didn't know how to write an address on envelope so help the reader to the so basic kind of things cultural differences but he has. I learned him self I can do it all for him . Dutch society is dominated by rules and if you're unfamiliar with them the whole system can be difficult to navigate Yes Mina Fenton back from Trudeau housing says this is where the gentle neighborly guidance can have the greatest impact. If you don't know these rules things can already happened like negative feelings towards each other and I think that's the most powerful thing of this project so it's just a neighbor instead of going to an organization social landlords manager and 30 percent of all hires ng in the Netherlands they're obliged to house refugees to gain the right to stay. Invested 250000 jurors in this adventure and scheme the ice here is to defuse tensions and prevent social unrest which has ignited elsewhere in a country that struggled to accommodate these new arrivals Yeah it would be so great if this project is in need of but it is and Yasmeen is hoping the Dutch might learn something too I really like it that food is such a big thing in their culture that everybody is in fire didn't everything everybody can eat everybody I think that's very nice I really hope that the Dutch people can also learn from. From other cultures there will be creates a report was from our correspondent Holly Dunn in and Hovan in the Netherlands You're listening to the b.b.c. World Service. With new sound. You're with the b.b.c. World Service before the news we get creative I'm looking at this thinking light sky drift transparency from poetry to visual arts a lot of the words in the studio sometimes just likely things are on the look here they'll want to come up with something and literature for for so Russia should do that it was crying all a sure thing because it's very and from Washington we get inside the creative mind to meet a Palestinian rapper when I start speaking Arabic some people get scared all the feminist film a Kathryn's about women is the man who comes and sees the d.v.d. As we delve into the world behind the art how do you simply profoundly connect and say something anyone from the u.k. I don't understand your ex is just like. A fish and she was. Discovered global arts and culture on the b.b.c. World Service. Coming up on News Hour in the next 30 minutes the American based Taxi app firm suffers another legal setback this time in France will be returning to our top story North Korea's missile launch and take a look at the response from Washington and the u.k. Proposal to store genome data for the whole population all coming up after a summary of the latest world news. B.b.c. News with Marion Marshall the leaders of China and Russia have criticized North Korea's latest missile launch as unacceptable in a joint statement issued from Moscow Russia said it also back to Chinese proposal urging Pyongyang to suspend its nuclear tests the South Korean military has warned the North it faces destruction if

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