Hello I'm Doris Mitchell And this is clicker today origami robots award winning learning Tanzanian style on your phone or indeed any other device where as an eye I retreat in remote Norway and we have 2 studio guest telling us not to throw away our tech when it goes wrong repair it instead that's the message isn't it Bill Thompson expert nice to see you again by the way how are you very well and fully repaired you believe that's good to know yes I didn't know you were broken but I had a pail of diet and I left side is gone and we've all had it terrible Ok so 1st let's discuss this then Bill is that the quote of the big story that's come out over the last few days Europe and United States they just become a few terabits per 2nd closer haven't they which is thanks to this new undersea cable it's just been completed it's not actually online yet so this is a you know it's an impressive piece obsolete it's been done many times before but it's always impressive So tell me about this linking Virginia and Bilbao kind of transoceanic cable all of that is true as an already the body of Maria cable is finally be called created 6400 kilometers up to 3.3 kilometers or depth it's owed by Microsoft and Facebook but if you've built by tells us which is a subsidy of teleporter crude spade and the key thing about it is it is more south it is south of the existing transatlantic cables so it provides a resilience because we saw in October 2012 when Hurricane Sandy hit the East Coast of the u.s. It struck to cable traffic we reported to the police back in 2008 submarine submarine cable the Middle East was was it was also disrupted is a big issue when these cables go down so they laid this new cable $160.00 terabits per 2nd but it's commissioned early next year slightly south so if there's an adverse weather event or something it is less likely to be disrupted so it should give you more resilient traffic between North America Europe the European continent great and just a really quick way resilience another way in terms of future proofing it there's some change to the way partly that the business model behind it we have what's called the submarine like terminal equipment the stuff at either end of the. Able is built according to this new open cable standard which means that it could be swapped out so you got a cable which would last 25 years but they're planning for up to 5 generations of equipment out of the site so you can take advantage of improvements in technology that'd to increase the speed Ok Phil thank you say from under the seat in the lab and I'm going to talk about an origami inspired exoskeleton robot from mit now and say what it does it Metamorphoses almost like a crap changing cell they call the little robot primer and it dawns different exoskeletons different skins if you like according to the task in hand whether it's walking or running or carrying things it's worth pointing out at this point it doesn't look like the kind of robot you've seen in a science fiction movie is something it's a bit hard to describe but Daniela Russ and I have had a go at describing it as she discussed with me at the recent paper about this foldable bot say I heard a little bit more just now so we would like to have robots that change shape the cars a robot designed or fixed set of tasks performed just asked well but that robot will perform poorly on a different task in a different set of environment so it is better to have robots that can adapt their bodies to what they have to do because then we will have much more flexible machines which brings us to the primer your robot primer almost looks like a little key you have a device shape you control actually by warming it up that's how it changes shape but also by immersing itself in water to revert to original shape so that's how you control its shape and then you control its movement using magnetic fields so they are to you control mechanisms so in some Ai and some computing in a brain to make it do intelligent things and there's the proof of the concept the idea that is that we can make simpler robots for a multitude of tasks by creating a basic robot body heat a basic engine and adding trying to we're exoskeletons for different types of tasks . And that's where things get really interesting isn't it the exoskeleton that goes around this right boss it kind of picks up almost like a clay connects a skeleton that can take all these different forms that allow either to have one shape where it will another state where it can carry things that kind of thing we can make robots with multitude body shapes by creating a basic robot that will be the engine by creating us fleets of very finely tuned exoskeletons for different tasks and then creating the capabilities that enable the engine robot to acquire and remove exoskeletons I can see it working on the lab bench as it were and it's incredible how it can just take almost like a I dunno a crate just shutting its game you know it can shed one exoskeleton and do so without you having to touch it and then acquire another one so it can achieve a different task but I'm just wondering how that would manifest itself in the real world you know we need to move a payload across a river or maybe as part of a humanitarian relief effort I just wonder what the practicalities of it are outside the lab the concept that we demonstrate that at small scale with cell Falding can also work at larger scales but even at the small scale you can imagine interesting applications for example in our previous work we showed that so hold it robots could become origami Minnesotans that you might swallow and they were going to your stomach and do different procedures now imagine that you have a multi-stage surgical procedure what you would do is you would go many surgeons robot the basic minister General walk and then a whole set of tools that the robot would acquire for different phases of the surgery sale at the larger scale I'm kind of excited about the idea of Carice *. Was different body shapes different exoskeletons for example if you need to park your car in congested London you would want a very small body shape for your engine but if you need not furniture then you would want a much wider body that could carry all the lot these types of robot becomes heroes or the robot kingdom you know that warrants a robot could simplify all of its capabilities by taking granite walls different types of coats so they're way more are than what the basic robot was all rigidly designed for and we can do so in a form factor with an efficient and effective approach to designing all these different coats all these different exoskeletons that are finally it was a type of task that the robot has to do that's Danny Aiello at mit listening to that Bill Thompson affordable Oregon the right time Danielle is clearly somebody who watched a lot of the Transformers television series and films when she was growing up and thought I want robots that could change and could reshape themselves and as someone who spent a lot of time building those sorts of robots for my son when he was growing up my daughter was very clear on this too. That the problem is really cute I mean overseas it's small at the moment but what it does is really dramatic and really interesting and I think she's absolutely on to something here yeah what about the practicalities of it because it's have a lovely lab bench thinking that there is a video that people can go and see and you can see how the magnetic field underneath is kind of manipulating the robot and then it dawns these different actually skeletons but what about you know if he had that surgical example there for instance you know I mean I think that we obviously some way off from these things being deployed in the field of the wild but the technology is is demonstrably now that you care to have it was which reshape themselves out of magnetic fields and we live with a very rich and complex tech. Logically it restructures So having those particular to make a little a little baby of her tree setting so she talked about surgical robots I think about factory robots that could take all the new tasks and therefore that having just a group she does everything you have both a rote set of having multiple We do want to ask you have a stick which she could do all different colleges a bit like a worker picking up the tools I think that's what. Said For you see how it might work and it will control the environment you can be stable enough to be reliable which is what you really need Ok Mr Thomson thank you so much for that this is click from the b.b.c. In London I'm Gareth Mitchell. Well that's an access for a charming cartel in the language there's case one Heli and the canteen is one of the series Bongo kids and the films I colorful they're fun and educational but there is a tech side of things as well as the filmmaking itself obviously because the whole idea is that they're made pretty much for any device like a straightforward speaker phone or a tablet or a projector in the classroom say idea of going to places where you might not have the very latest shiny gadgets to play them on and the piece is a maze to be easily reversed and as well dubbed in other language so that language is now the audience is children especially those whose education might have been disrupted through being displaced. As an organization happens to be a winner in the latest awards of the world Innovation Summit for education these are the wise awards have just been speaking to the co-founder and c.e.o. Like on so where social enterprise. Recruiting edutainment. That t.v. Radio online program teaching school readiness as well. As for pre-primary in primary school and you say 3 they see a beautiful east of colorful really fun video. Well I've just been learning for instance about the equal sign and you know for greater than 3 and so on and it was really explained in this very accessible really fun way animation is really at the core of a lot of what we do we created these characters who are now household names across East Africa where kids are watching our show and it's through the stories of these kids then I could go to BRACA in one of the shows and then we've got a Keeley and her animal friends and the other shows they face problems and then have to use their brains use their smarts to solve these problems and through that the kids who are watching are learning both about problem solving and South Africa's see and then they're also developing math or science or reading skills that they needed more than to solve those problems themselves in life and what you're doing is bringing the technology side of things in by what making these materials very flexible so they can be and reversions what with just a little speakerphones everything light up to a nice big projector in the classroom the core product is always the t.v. Episode that go out but then those are also written as radio programs and they go out on radio for people who have a regular basic mobile phone they can actually now call in to vote a common listening to the same educational songs and stories from a mobile phone the way that you would call your bank and select from a numerical menu from any basic phone we also have a lot of content that goes out on line you've seen absolutely exponential growth in online viewership from people across Africa over the past 2 years as more and more people are getting access to smartphones so what that showing is it's going to really open the door for us to do a lot more and in response to that we've also developed some apps so we have enjoyed at our kind of deeper more interactive learning available on the Google Play store you must have seen a real hole in the market for this leave us have seen a real need and when you have a lot of children who are displaced children for instance he's and lives and that schooling have been. Reidy interrupted so many kids are in school but the schools are overcrowded teachers are under change in intense media where we're based at 55 percent of kids aged $10.00 to $16.00 failed baseline level tests in math and reading set to the level of an 8 year old so it really is a huge education crisis and we thought Ok well even learning as a way to address this has been used in other parts of the world really well but the problem is people don't have access to computers so what is the technology that people are already use that we can try and lab Ridge to bring localized and fun learning to kids and that at the beginning was really radio and t.v. And now more and more it's becoming mobile phones and smartphones so we create this content we make sure that it's and local language as well as the language of instruction so he so he the English French know how to narrow Wanda and then we deliver it across as many different platforms as we can so that a kid whether they're in a rural village in a refugee camp or in the city and just missing out on quality schooling they're able to access a supplemental learning content to learn on their own time but our goal over the next 2 years is really to get listened to more and more local African languages and to do that we really need these partnerships with the people who know and speak those languages you can take what we have and then by simply recording some narration over replacing a couple of images they can create a truly localized version for kids in their country need to learn so that's nice like on say a Belgium's were like I can study make is that the the theme. Of and go kids a bunco kids is it's just a catchy you know and I don't some massive muscles watching it so what you think of this whole idea and this has got some pretty ambitious plans that say and I hope that they fulfill because there is a desperate need to this would be Tiriel crucially bit here that is a locally sourced it is made by people who actually understand the issues you know work in the local languages also who's just dropped in from about for really the interesting to get what she said that in the piece we just. It was that they live through radio or television to online and mobile and that's reflected a shift in how people get information and of course if you have a displaced population it may be quite difficult to set up a t.v. And stuff like that but it's actually easier and easier these days to reinstate a mobile network to get access to about have it delivered by building the tools by building the application so they work ill or quite basic phones they're reaching the backs with possible population but it quite a structured way so it's a really important I think salute humanitarian issue to that takes advantage of what technology could do there to deliver something that a lot of people really need and as you say really catchy Absolutely and it seems to well it does know its audience I think that's really crucial and they and that's sorting out the content but more worrying about what kind of shiny platform they're going to exhibit it comes from a very different place it's not you know can we get it up in the App Store that will sell a 1000000000 copies of make us rich it's how can we best use technology to be the lead of these young people who believe who are desperate circumstances who really some help and support to continue their education so they don't lose all their lives Johnson thank you because going to go now to the remote wooded valley in Norway that was the backdrop of the movie x McInerney in which filmmaker Alex Garland imagines a future of embodied artificial intelligence Well last week over there the imaginings continued this time not for a movie but by real life thinkers interested in what ai means for us all and one such ever so I have a think that's clear left a doorway I retreat happened to be Mr Bill Thompson and he reported from that I did well I took the opportunity you know you go anywhere you take take a recording device with you to interview some of the people as with because they were really a remarkable 2 people and sampled by a friend of mine got caught and De Barge who had this idea of a year ago that he would read out the hotel that had been used for terribly some of the key scenes of its macular as a carrot to bring a bunch of really clever people to to the far doorway you know you fly you fly get you. Get a car and to talk about issues of Ai which is exactly what we did. I met where I have no stance on artificial intelligence got no idea what to think about it my is it good or is it bad what to do about it what the opportunities I think the only way I figure it out is talking to people and so that's why I'm here Ok and Kate Davran from the Department of computing at Goldsmiths University of London I want to explore more of by high we should be putting more into the design and high we should work out whether or not things should be human so that the degree of humanness is something needs to have to get reports so I'm a designer and I come from Portland Oregon of u.c. French as you can hear I walked from the q. In the in a vision as a designer My name is essential para from Los Angeles and I think I came here really to explore a sort of the trans relational intersections of spaces which are not usually explored in these conversations in 1st synesthesia mirror neuron based Ai can we ask ourselves questions that break ourselves out of the anthropomorphic bias that I see is so prevalent in the field or even in the discussion around it. My name is Andy Bird and I am the founder and managing director of a creative agency called Clear left I'm a designer I'm fascinated by how technology and people interact with each other over the next 10 or 20 years is the rise of artificial intelligence and robots are going to be a clear kind of defining point in future technology and I think at the moment a lot of people who are defining that future are the engineers the programmers and they're looking at the art of the possible which is always really really interesting but. Not necessarily focused as much I think on how the products and concepts are designed actually get used and their effect on humanity and so what I want to do is I want to bring a group of people from a much more diverse background than just computer programmers to a beautiful location to consider some of the the mall and kind of design implications to get a real mix we've got. Researches in artificial intelligence we've got designers from big tech companies we've got agency people we've got people that are focused in doing research around design ethics and we have Yeah we have a whole interesting bunch of people artists and people of varying the ages and quirks I am Amber case I'm here because it's good to be around mountains and things in nature that are older than humans so that we can think about how long it takes to actually make stuff and how unstable our technology is I keep hearing about these Ai retreats where people go in they say we're going to archive an entire industry and say what's really important they come to the exact same conclusions again and again and again including in the 1980 s. And nothing ever comes of it nothing ever happens and nothing ever gets out of it but here I think we actually got a little bit more done possible the 1st off we do build some great I'll probably last for like 5 years anyway and be horribly biased and hate it and will say why did we do this this is so done and I think right now the whole hype about it is just because it's really easy to write a story about everybody getting replaced because people endlessly get worried about this since what the Industrial Revolution or maybe even the agrarian society onal we're going to get replaced what is our meaning and value as humans will look around you it's humans and humans are meaningful and valuable it's culture it's art it's music it's language do we really want to automate that I don't come at this