The trade is to make an improved offer by Monday b.b.c. News. You're listening to Weekend on the b.b.c. World Service I'm Sealy Hutton it's 706 g.m.t. Coming up what to eat instead of red meat there are plenty of other healthy Oh turn it to anything that contains beans lentils fruits vegetables whole grains maybe I bet she sausage that has lower salt levels scrambled tofu would be another one or just have another serving of the sauteed vegetables ever right here. We'll hear from the British scientist who wants a government tax to make red meat more expensive because of its apparently harmful health effects but 1st the anniversary will be marking throughout the day commemorations have started across the world to mark this interior of the end of the 1st World War in Australia that trains attended a ceremony at the National War Memorial in Canberra to remember the 60000 Australians who died the Prime Minister Scott Morrison explained why it was important to draw the right lessons from history to learn from the past so that we can better navigate the changing currents of our own times for our own children and for the next generations over this past century I believe the tenor of our conflicts is tended towards upholding the highest ideals of human current to preserve freedom to cipher God democracy to stand against tyranny and we have done so at my great cost the main ceremony in Europe today will be held at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris attended by world leaders including presidents Trump and Putin We're joined now by our correspondent in the French capital Hugh Schofield Hugh can you take us through the order of events today. Yes sure right now outside the palace with a big press corps waiting for the arrival in an hour or so here all of the 60 or 70 heads of state and government who've come to Paris they will be coming to believe they being greeted by President macron and then in about an hour and a half from now they'll be moving off together we think in a one big coach or several big coaches up to the train which is not very far away about a mile away they'll be driven up there but the whole of the shells Lisa has been sealed off there's a very very large security presence as you can imagine and then the heads of state government will take position in kind of special pavilions and ranks of seating which has been set up around the Arc de Triomphe and at around about 11 o'clock the ceremony will begin and it will be quite an elaborate ceremony lasting and I know so part of it military. You know reviewing of troops and the so on part of it very solemn with the president and others paying their respects to the Tomb of the unknown soldier who of course lies beneath the Arc de Triomphe and he's a soldier from the Great War from the 1st war then they'll be readings and recitals and some music and all of its lasting and a speech I should add from the president mackerel. Attended as you were saying by all these heads of state and government including President Trump and Putin the Turkish leader you know a really stellar cast if you can call it that you've arrived here to to mark this very solemn and important memorial and you mentioned Donald Trump and lot of mere peers and do we do we know any more about whether they might have a bilateral meeting. Where they they certainly haven't had anything formal We they were both at a dinner last night at least I understand they were both of them last night is in fact fatal communication about who's doing what there's a guard a dinner hosted at the museum they all say they also museum last night and certainly Donald Trump was supposed to be there and maybe Putin it's possible that there are encounters going on as often happens when there are gatherings of. Leaders on an informal basis you know what they call stand up meetings little huddles of the does it get together and talk it's not impossible that at some point that could happen between Putin and Robert it will not be any kind of a formal set down with an agenda or anything like that but that is that was never part of the plan and I certainly think that President Metro is reluctant for anything diplomatic to overshadow the main purpose of the day which is to commemorate indeed it tension will be turning though at sea the Paris Peace Forum wanted to present Micron's initiated the opening meeting of that form What's the aim of the conference. Well indeed and after after. The ceremony the attention will move to this. Peace for him which is in another part the Catholic the levee Let which some of the leaders will go to America will get out of it Putin will get there don't trouble not to go there. What the forum is it's hard to really put your finger on them. I'm sure it'll be criticized for being a kind of 3 day discussion group with lots of panels and a lot of verbiage but not much in the way of concrete action obviously if you talk to people who are organizing it they say absolutely not it is a way of promoting the idea of multilateralism of the importance of nations Corp rating and finding ways to work together at a time when there is a drift to unilateralism to a strong man government and competing nations in the same way they would say that the world Kristie the head of the 1st World War There are 2 very competing worldviews here one obviously has one and believes in in multilateralism and this idea of working together and I think he's trying to bring over to his side. I don't trump who have got much more in the kind of competitive nation state side of things this piece for his obvious Lee intended to push the from the French agenda but I think it will be open to criticism for being little more than a you know a load of kind of. Talking panels between like minded groups of people Q Thank you that was Hugh Schofield speaking from Paris and a reminder you're listening to Weekend on the b.b.c. World Service as always I'm joined by 2 guests who are with me throughout the program today I'm joined by Georgina Godwin she says I'm Bob Wimborne broadcaster and journalist based in London and Peter Oborne he's a British writer journalist and political commentator Let's big to learn a little bit more about both of you Georgina as we've said You're from Zimbabwe What do you make of what's been happening there since the coup and then the election earlier this year well we can't call it a coup because had it been a real coup then of course the African Union would have had to have got involved everybody was very very careful to to call it to call the event something else nobody's quite sure of the nuts a placement possible end of the not a coup but that was almost exactly a year ago and then of course the elections happen now that the coup we were told was needed to target criminals but but actually I mean the people around McCarthy are still many of them of still demagogue is gone the regime itself is exactly the same and his right hand man for 40 years very very little has changed and now the economy is once again spiraling out of control I'm afraid that life has has not got better of his and weapons mostly because the government lacks legitimacy none of the international observers signed off the election is being utterly free and fair the opposition as I think people probably know challenge the result in court even though it that the court let the results stand the opposition don't accept it this is a government that totally lacks legitimacy and without that legitimacy is very very hard to get anything done to get international recognition to help the economy so I'm afraid that Zimbabwe is in not a good position the tool worse off than it was a year ago are you hearing any personal store. As from those on the ground in subpar way what are they telling you know feel very little in the shops there's a new tax 2 percent on electronic money transfers basically it's a way for the government to steal money straight from your bank account so people don't want to bring any money into the country and it's very very difficult I've been following it very closely and we thought I thought actually God monster unquestionably is would be much more pragmatic and sensible and lucid unlike Mugabe and his last days and he would actually help to restore the economy that's the surprised that he's gone downhill again and you're really making a move back with this these government bonds now and ceasing to work you're going to go back to that measure inflation which happened in the About 10 years ago and I think it's really troubling extremely troubling and people are in absolutely dire straits no water there is a cholera epidemic no electricity in many parts of the country of course the health system has completely broken down basic jugs aspirin and things are not available it's a really really bad situation and of course the the choice here is you can say we can do blame apportionment or we can do problem solving you can say no you're not a legitimate government you're genocidal maniacs we're not going to work with you or you can say we've got child makes him let's all get behind the house very hard ultimately our remaining credibly hopeful about Zimbabwe and good people I sent back when people even after 20 years or more of horror of wonderful people and of course the resources of a great and the infrastructure is still complete could mean with the roads and so on and the fabulous tourism things it almost needs just a click of the fingers and the political situation to get right and I think it will really take over but it needs the corrupt people at the. Talk to go but you can't if you're corrupt How can you investigate yourself which is what's happening at the moment Peter Oborne I want to get your thoughts on a on a far different country that's facing also facing a tough financial situation at the moment I understand you recently returned from Pakistan yes I went on a government sponsored visit actually with 2 or 3 other journalists. And we were given a whistle stop tour of the country really fascinating having a common ating in an interview with the new prime minister Imran Khan and how did you leave the country how did you feel when you left had failed but its prospects. I feel again I maybe as I feel I went to go under we took us to got the new poor woman to pour in the Arabian Sea where there's going to be the link with China and we were given a very very good briefing about God and there's been an awful lot of rude things written about it mainly by new conservative Washington think tanks about how this is a sort of piece of Chinese. The Chinese take over no impression I got a tour I thought I could be the chairman of the Port Authority was a very pragmatic down to earth but Luci. Other Baluchi and you can see how this will become a massive on 3 person in years to come and bring enormous prosperity and I think so a lot of the problems of terrorism because the because it was it was it will bring prosperity and give people jobs and all the rest of that and I think it's very exciting Ok Well thank you I'm so glad that both of you are with us for the next for the remainder of the program just to remind you you are listening to Weekend on the b.b.c. 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A reminder of today's main news 14 more bodies have been pulled from the rubble of a town in Northern California that's been devastated by wild fire and a day of commemorations marking this in teen or 3 of the end of the 1st world war is taking place with Australia and New Zealand the 1st countries to honor the war dead and now let's turn to the sport now there's a new name in the Asian Champions League trophy Alister Ross joins me from our sport desk this game and to run is likely to be better remembered for what happened in the stands than on the pitch are you I think that's fair the 2nd leg of the Asian Champions the final actually And the goal is between Iranian champions Persepolis and Japan's Kushal Kushner who wears their name on to the trophy for the 1st time in the club's history thanks to the 2 know when the 1st like but you are right about an historic moment in the stands because Iranian women haven't been allowed to attend football games in the country for more than 35 years but Iranian media reporting that 850 women were among the estimated 100000 people in the stadium they were in a separate stand but at the very least this does appear to be authority of the country's very hard line position on this issue in the past. On the subject of derbies there's a big one in the Premier League later what chance do Manchester United have of being the 1st English team this season to beat Manchester City Well I mean much like it was last season United was struggling last season to match city and yet they won this fixture 32 at the time plus I suppose you know if you can take a lot of confidence from their late come from behind win away eventis in the Champions League and made week that said Pep Guardiola is Manchester City side to have an awful lot of confidence as well top of the table and they've scored 6 goals in each of the last 2 games have the feeling we know exactly what you have to do that doesn't mean you know you are shut the whatever. Yes no good talking but of course that is no we're still we can prove that the team is quite solid from the last month that it's weird to try again and again and again do it and that is one of 4 Premier League games on Sunday Liverpool hosting Fullam Chelsea play Everton and also take on wolves. And in tennis Roger Federer begins the pursuit of what would be his 100th Tor title today yet that is quite a feat to be managed because only Jimmy callers in tennis history has ever reached that milestone in the men's game Federer has not chose to reach 100 titles of course before the end of this season it is the world's top finals we start in London later I don't think it matters really where I went my 100 you know as long as it's going to happen at one point that's going to be exciting I think if I want to hear it's more about winning the World Tour Finals or not but winning my 100th I love playing this event always ever since I qualified for the very 1st time back in 2002 that was a massive highlight in my career to be amongst the best Federer is playing in the light match today the opening game with the tournament will be the 1st ever told finals match for South Africa is Kevin Amis and he plays Austria's Dominic. Alister Thank you well let's turn from sports to less healthy things it's long been established that governments can put a tax on those things that can kill us alcohol cigarettes sugar for example but bad news be tension Lee for those who like an old fashioned meal. Will. Taters. Home. Of that song the American singer Alan Jackson with his country and western hit potato man researchers here in the u.k. They say that such a meal including red meat should be more expensive they're calling on the government to introduce a tax on red meat to take into account the health dangers that because to buy food such as bacon and sausages they calculated that such a meat tax could prevent $6000.00 premature deaths each year in the u.k. And save the National Health Service about a 1000000000. Dollars annually Dr Marko Springman of the Nuffield Department of Public Health adult film universe Oxford University was the lead researcher on the project looking at the effects of red meat he explained to the b.b.c. Why he wants a meat tax we proposed it for 2 reasons one we know it has very negative health impacts for example in terms of having a higher risk of getting cancer or heart disease stroke if you eat red and processed meat so it will send a signal to consume hopefully other healthier alternatives and it would also raise the revenues needed to treat the disease as you are likely to get if you eat right and processed meat stuff and processed meat that is likely to be bad is a number of things that he marinate is in there the high salt levels but also nitrates and some of the fatty acids so it's really a lot of ingredients and that is the reason why not only processed meat has a negative health impact but also red meat and there is really indeed strong mechanistic evidence for causal links between those and cancer for example. He also describes some of the vegetarian meal options that he thinks that meat eaters should consider there are plenty of other healthier alternatives anything that contains means lentils fruits vegetables whole grains would be considered healthier if you replace one by one you can think about maybe a healthier veggie sausage that has lower salt levels or you can make scrambled tofu would be another one or just have another serving of being sorted vegetables ever right here things that's certainly not appetizing to everyone Giorgio look at Kelly as an Italian chef and restauranteur based in London he agrees we should eat less meat but he's opposed to the idea of a tax on it I don't know if the tax is the right way forward Surely education is the right way forward we can see a great return but we talked to kids in the school if you talk to 2 weeks to ratch me this is the problem we can all read take out of the of the spectrum completely. That was Chef George look at Tell Me So let's open up the discussion now Peter Peter Oborne What do you think of a meat tax you see we were discussing the u.s. Midterm elections earlier and this is the sort of thing which makes people want to vote for Donald Trump you know I mean it's the liberal hubris of the mentee my friend Williams was recently sacked from waitress food. Wanting to exterminate vegans and I have to say it makes me feel quite sympathetic to Mr Mr. I mean really what. Is going on here one of the little things is the contempt for farmers the people who devoted their whole lives to sheep and cattle was going to happen to them these these these these lunatic people want to basically put them out of a job then want to deprive us all makers pay for a for a roast beef or a roast lamb. This is exactly the reason why in America this gansey catastrophe happened in America in 2016 when very bossy highly intelligent in my view emotionally closed people try to impose their will on the rest of us just you know I think you are smiling there. Yet so is the decision to take on Peter or not it's oh I mean I don't know we'll have a bacon sandwich later together but let me just say in my head I am a vegan but actually in practice in the Zimbabwean I love Bill song but I do think that in 20 or 30 years' time we're going to look back and will think that the process of farming animals is absolutely barbaric I think we'll look back and not be able to believe that we've done this but at the same time when you look at the dinners and I mean with with grains like for instance there are issues around slavery with that with avocados the cartels in that. America this big environmental impact obviously also to just eating plants and you're absolutely right when you talk about respect for farmers but perhaps the money that is taxed on meat will go to help those people of course they will have lost their Aesop cities by then so I think that it's very important to look at how we manage it in terms of not coming across as the Big Brother that you suggest Peter and and making this palatable to people there's a there's a new museum in moments Sweden called the Museum of disgusting things but what they're actually trying to do there is show people so for instance you know a photograph made from feeding geese and that kind of thing or showing that you can eat insects and I think it's having a big effect just showing people that actually you feel it could be more sustainable the way we live could be more sustainable and it's through education and not through legislation I think I can afford another on the new Princeton chicken farming is absolutely grotesque and horrible and I bet we all favorite own fa