About from the post office, knocking this report and you decide not to read it. Is that what youre saying, mr. Miller . I didnt read it. Ive made that very clear to this inquiry, but i didnt read it, and its a matter of some regret to me. Mr. Miller one of two things arise out of that youre either lying through your teeth or youre a complete incompetent, which im not lying through my teeth. Right. So incompetence, if you wish to say that. Yes. Or do you agree its incompetence not to read a report . In these circumstances. I am not happy that i didnt read that report. In the afternoon, a former Chief Executive of the post office was questioned. David mills told the inquiry he hadnt been made aware of problems with the horizon it system during his time as Chief Executive, between 2002 and 2005. We would wear internally that it was necessary to develop a process to develop challenges to respond to horizon. It develop challenges to respond to horizon. ,. ,. ,. , horizon. It would have meant that we would have problems horizon. It would have meant that we would have problems that horizon. It would have meant that we would have problems that arise horizon. It would have meant that we would have problems that arise in would have problems that arise in that we would have problems that arise in that we were not aware of. Can you exlain that we were not aware of. Can you explain why that we were not aware of. Can you explain why you that we were not aware of. Can you explain why you want that we were not aware of. Can you explain why you want aware that we were not aware of. Can you explain why you want aware of that we were not aware of. Can you | explain why you want aware of that. You might guess i think i can. 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As we wait for the inquiry to start any minute all. As we wait for the inquiry to start any minute now, all. As we wait for the inquiry to start any minute now, just all. As we wait for the inquiry to start any minute now, just a start any minute now, just a reminder that when we come to seamer, hers is one of many issues that came to the fore. Yes seamer, hers is one of many issues that came to the fore. That came to the fore. Yes thats ri. Ht that came to the fore. Yes thats right when that came to the fore. Yes thats right when we that came to the fore. Yes thats right when we came that came to the fore. Yes thats right when we came to that came to the fore. Yes thats right when we came to that came to the fore. Yes thats i right when we came to when we right when we came to when we spoke to a lot of victims not all of them have had their convictions overturned. The government has introduced new legislation that is aiming to overturn all these convictions byjuly but in the meantime, even for those who have had their convictions overturned, they are waiting for our financial redress and i say should financial redress and i say should financial redress because some of the victims here have said that they dont believe that compensation cuts it. They cannot be compensated for years they have lost and the pain and hits to their reputation that has been taken over the years and for the absolute Mental Health problems and also Health Problems that they had as a result of this experience. Part of what you heard there from seema is echoed from everyone else. Apologies just wont cut it. It is echoed from everyone else. Apologies just wont cut it. Apologies ust wont cut it. It begs the apologiesjust wont cut it. It begs the question apologiesjust wont cut it. It begs the question whether apologiesjust wont cut it. It begs the question whether there apologiesjust wont cut it. It begs the question whether there could l apologiesjust wont cut it. It begs l the question whether there could be prosecutions of other people involved in this who wrongfully prosecuted in the future. Absolutely. That is one of the Big Questions that victims that they keep putting to officials, in fact the post Office Minister has said that he believes that once evidence has been established, that then afterwards those who were responsible, in the post office or more broadly, should be prosecuted for this and that some should eventually go to jail. Of course, victims here feel enough evidence has come through, but of course that is the reminder that that is not the role of this inquiry. This inquiry is trying to get answers, get evidence and understand how all of this could have happened. I believe the inquiry is just starting now so we can take a listen. I the Inquiry Isjust starting now so we can take a listen. The Inquiry Isjust starting now so we can take a listen. I am going to take ou we can take a listen. I am going to take you through we can take a listen. I am going to take you through the we can take a listen. I am going to take you through the oath today. | we can take a listen. I am going to i take you through the oath today. Can you hear me ok . Yes i can please can you hear me ok . Yes i can please can you hold up the bible and repeat after me . I swear by almighty god. I swear by almighty god. After me . I swear by almighty god. I swear by almighty god. That after me . I swear by almighty god. I swear by almighty god. That the swear by almighty god. That the evidence i shall swear by almighty god. That the evidence i shall give. Swear by almighty god. That the evidence i shall give. That swear by almighty god. That the evidence i shall give. That the i evidence i shall give. That the evidence i shall give. That the evidence that evidence i shall give. 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Can you truth shall be the whole truth and l Nothing But The Truth. Can you give our full Nothing But The Truth. Can you give your full name Nothing But The Truth. Can you give your full name please. Nothing but the truth. Can you give your full name please. Yes Nothing But The Truth. Can you give your full name please. Yes its your full name please. Yes its geoffrey longman. Your full name please. Yes its geoffrey longman. You your full name please. Yes its| geoffrey longman. You should your full name please. Yes its geoffrey longman. You should have a reference ,. ,. ,. , Reference Number in front of you. Could i Reference Number in front of you. Could i ask Reference Number in front of you. Could i ask you Reference Number in front of you. Could i ask you please Reference Number in front of you. Could i ask you please to Reference Number in front of you. Could i ask you please to turn could i ask you please to turn to the final page, page a7. Could i ask you please to turn to the final page, page 47. Could i ask you please to turn to the final page, page a7. Yes. Can the final page, page 47. Yes. Can ou the final page, page 47. Yes. Can you confirm the final page, page 47. Yes. Can you confirm that the final page, page 47. Yes. Can you confirm that as the final page, page 47. Yes can you confirm that as your signature and true to the best of your knowledge and belief. It and true to the best of your knowledge and belief. And true to the best of your knowledge and belief. It is. I knowledge and belief. It is. I believe there knowledge and belief. It is. I believe there are knowledge and belief. It is. I believe there are a knowledge and belief. It 3 i believe there are a couple of corrections you would like to make. First amendment i would like to make is regarding paragraph 5354. {guild First Amendment i would like to make is regarding paragraph 5354. Is regarding paragraph 5354. Could i ask for that to is regarding paragraph 5354. Could i ask for that to be is regarding paragraph 5354. Could i ask for that to be brought up is regarding paragraph 5354. Could i ask for that to be brought up on is regarding paragraph 5354. Could i ask for that to be brought up on the j ask for that to be brought up on the screen. Paragraph 53 and 54. If we could scroll slightly up. Thank you very much. What is the amendment . Thank you very much. What is the amendment . Having reviewed the document e37 amendment . Having reviewed the document e37 and amendment . Having reviewed the document e37 and e38 amendment . Having reviewed the document e37 and e38 in amendment . Having reviewed the document e37 and e38 in the i document e 37 and e 38 in the additional documents bundle i can see that there was a matter in which i acted as a Lead Investigator and the Sub Postmaster had attributed losses to the Horizon System during the initial Investigation Stages and until receiving the documents i couldnt recall that. I would like to mention that it was mrs odell. Paragraph 54 you say i have never experienced a situation where a Sub Postmaster attributed shortfall to horizon and now you can see where you were at least involved in this case where you did. This you were at least involved in this case where you did. Case where you did. As Lead Investigator. Case where you did. As Lead Investigator. What case where you did. As Lead Investigator. What are case where you did. As Lead Investigator. What are the l case where you did. As Lead Investigator. What are the other chan. Es . Investigator. What are the other changes . Date investigator. What are the other changes . Date corrections. Investigator. What are the other changes . Date corrections. In. Changes . Date corrections. In paragraphs changes . Date corrections. In paragraphs 58 changes . Date corrections. In paragraphs 58 and changes . Date corrections. In paragraphs 58 and 64. Changes . Date corrections. In paragraphs 58 and 64. This i changes . Date corrections. In paragraphs 58 and 64. This is | changes . Date corrections. In paragraphs 58 and 64. This is the date i visited west byfleet. It is the 14th Of August 2008 and it should be the 14th of january 2008. The further amendment . Paragraph 76. That is ae~ the further amendment . Paragraph 76. That is page 39 paragraph 76 regarding instructions to mrjenkins. If you scroll down to the date. Its over the page i think. ,. ,. ,. , think. Can you see after the email chain. Think. Can you see after the email chain it think. Can you see after the email chain. It shows think. Can you see after the email chain. It shows warwick think. Can you see after the email| chain. It shows warwick emailing chain. It shows warwick e mailing mrjenkins and that should be the 7th of october 2010. Mrjenkins and that should be the 7th of october 2010. Thank you. Are those the only 7th of october 2010. Thank you. Are those the only changes . 7th of october 2010. Thank you. Are those the only changes . Yes. 7th of october 2010. Thank you. Are those the only changes . Yes. That l those the only changes . Yes. That statement will those the only changes . 19 3 that statement will go those the only changes . I9; that statement will go into evidence and will be published on the inquiry� s website. I would like to ask about your background. You work for the post office for approximately 36 years . Post office for approximately 36 ears . Post office for approximately 36 years . You post office for approximately 36 years . Yes. You started as a Counter Clerk in a crown years . I9; you started as a Counter Clerk in a crown office. Years . Yes. You started as a Counter Clerk in a crown office. Yes. Years . Yes. You started as a Counter Clerk in a crown office. Yes. You clerk in a crown office. Yes. You move to a clerk in a crown office. Yes. You move to a head clerk in a crown office. Yes. You move to a head office clerk in a crown office. I9; you move to a head office in watford and joined the Security Team in 2000 as an investigator . Joined the Security Team in 2000 as an investigator . Yes. You worked as an investigator . Yes. You worked as an investigator an investigator . I9; you worked as an investigator until late 2012, early 2013 with mac it an investigator until late 2012, early 2013 with ma an investigator until late 2012, early 2013 with mac it was late 2011 or early 2012 early 2013 with mac it was late 2011 or early 2012. Thank early 2013 with mac it was late 2011 or early 2012. Thank you. Early 2013 with mac it was late 2011 or early 2012. Thank you. I early 2013 with mac it was late 2011 or early 2012. Thank you. I cant. Or early 2012. Thank you. I cant remember or early 2012. Thank you. I cant remember the or early 2012. Thank you. I cant remember the exact or early 2012. Thank you. I cant remember the exact date. Or early 2012. Thank you. I cant remember the exact date. The | or early 2012. Thank you. I cant i remember the exact date. The job or early 2012. Thank you. I cant remember the exact date. The job you remember the exact date. The ob you transferred to remember the exact date. The ob you transferred to was i remember the exact date. The ob you transferred to was the t remember the exact date. The ob you transferred to was the network transferred to was the Network Transformation team and you worked there until you left in 2016 . Yes. There untilyou left in 2016 . Yes. Can ou there untilyou left in 2016 . Yes. Can you help there untilyou left in 2016 . Yes. Can you help us there untilyou left in 2016 . Yes. Can you help us with there untilyou left in 2016 . Yes. Can you help us with why there until you left in 2016 . I9; can you help us with why you left the post office . Or, can you help us with why you left the post office . The post office . A number of reasons the post office . A number of reasons. The the post office . A number of reasons. The job the post office . A number of reasons. The job as the post office . A number of reasons. The job as a the post office . A number of| reasons. The job as a Network Transformation officer, they were looking for people to take redundancy and personal circumstances also prompted me to decide that was the time to leave. They are the reasons. Decide that was the time to leave. They are the reasons. Thank you. We have our they are the reasons. Thank you. We have your statement they are the reasons. Thank you. We have your statement on they are the reasons. Thank you. We have your statement on screen. They are the reasons. Thank you. We have your statement on screen. Can l have your statement on screen. Can we look at a few paragraphs in your statement. Can we start on page 18 please . Iwant statement. Can we start on page 18 please . I want to clarify a few matters in your statement. Am i right to say that you didnt know what test was applied to those Making Prosecution and charging decisions, in paragraphs 38 . I think it is your evidence that you didnt know what test was applied by those making those decisions. The know what test was applied by those making those decisions. Making those decisions. The general comments there making those decisions. The general comments there must making those decisions. The general comments there must be making those decisions. The general comments there must be sufficient l comments there must be sufficient evidence, i put in my statement further down that it should be in the Public Interest, they were the only two things. 50 the Public Interest, they were the only two things. Only two things. So they had a varue only two things. So they had a vague idea only two things. So they had a vague idea that only two things. So they had a vague idea that