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BBCNEWS BBC July 3, 2024

Israel says hamas gunmen often pose as aid workers. Not this time. Its army today said the killing of seven aid workers in air strikes this week was a grave mistake due to mistaken identification, errors in Decision Making and a serious violation of army procedures. The convoy belonging to the Charity World central kitchen was struck in central gaza late on monday night. Survivors running between the remaining vehicles before being hit again and then again. The army said its forces had mistaken the bag one passenger was carrying for a gun after Spotting Gunmen at the warehouse earlier. It was a visual confirmation of a gunman, first of all, on one of the trucks that then conducted shooting from one of the trucks. And when they indeed reached the hangars, there were more gunmen identified on the location. And it led basically to the entire miscalculation, misidentification and the failure of what should have happened. Israels army said the aid was picked up by lorry atiopm. The armed figure was then Spotted Firing from one of the trucks before the convoy moved on with other vehicles to an Inland Warehouse where Drone Footage showed more gunmen getting out of one car. That vehicle later moved north to another warehouse while the three cars from world central kitchen turned back to the coast where they were hit in separate air strikes minutes apart. The army has fired two Senior Officers who approved the strikes, but world central kitchen has called for an independent inquiry, saying the idf Cannot Credibly investigate its own failure and that systemic change was needed. Other aid agencies say this was not a one off mistake. This is notjust an incident. This is a series, a pattern of incidents that have been going on for months and months now. Were now up to the stage of having 200 humanitarian workers killed. Were operating in an environment of complete impunity. It is a deliberate choice to allow these attacks to continue to happen. One former Major General pointed out that Israeli Forces have also killed their own compatriots in gaza. It was a huge mistake. Unfortunately, many, many other mistakes were made. For instance, israel killed three israeli hostages that managed to release themselves, and nevertheless, they were killed by israeli soldiers. And of course, no one believed that we killed them deliberately. The difficulties of getting aid to gaza was already deepening rifts with israels allies. The killing of british and american nationals has shifted the debate. The Port Of Ashdod is less than 30 miles from gaza, but for the past six months its remained closed to aid. Now this port and the nearby Erez Crossing point have been prised open by a stinging us demand that israel find new routes to get aid safely into Northern Gaza or risk losing american support. Israel says its war is with hamas, not gazas civilians, that its fighting one and feeding the other. But aid workers accuse israel of seeing them as targets and aid as a weapon of war. Lucy williamson, bbc news, ashdod. Earlier i spoke to tal heinrich, a spokesperson for israels Prime Minister on how she sees the need for more humanitarian relief. There is no immediate starvation in gaza. This is what agencies starvation in gaza. This is what agencies are starvation in gaza. This is what agencies are telling | starvation in gaza. This is i what agencies are telling us time and time again, we speak with several organisations, they tell us that starvation is imminent. Children have already died from starvation. Well, i can tell you there are 3000 calories per day per person entering gaza daily, even if hamas steals half of that i acknowledge we acknowledge that there is a challenge with distribution of aid, which for which israel is not responsible. Nevertheless, we want to make a smoother mechanism. The attack on aid workers has further complicated the humanitarian situation in gaza. Earlier i spoke with adam ramadan, Deputy Director of Rebuilding Alliances, a nonprofit that operates severalFood Kitchens in gaza. Thank you for being here. I want to ask you, we heard in that interview from the spokesperson for Benjamin Netanyahu who said theres no immediate starvation in gaza. What is your to that . Its very devastating to hear. We hearfirsthand from our partners on the ground that due to the halted operations from the world central kitchen and anera, we have seen an increase of more than 20 of families searching for food. They are desperate to feed their children. The situation has not gotten better, 200 trucks entering gaza is not enough and we need to push for more land borders to open and aid to come to gaza. Simply 200 trucks a day is not enough. We really need more. To be clear, the word starvation, what have you seen on the ground and what is your group seeing . Are people starving . We are seeing reports in the north that people, children specifically, are dying of malnutrition and starvation. Our partners find it very difficult to find any Food Commodities or even trying to purchase anything in the market is hard to come across especially in the north. In the south, with our partners with the World Food Programme we are getting kitchens to provide hot meals daily but we need to push for more food convoys to enter the north. The situation in the north is very dire and we are seeing reports of children dying of starvation. One of those newly opened Aid Routes Into Gaza is in the north. Will these new routes make a difference, what kind of impact would have . It will have a huge impact on we will be able to ramp up and open new kitchens in the north. Our partners are more than ever dedicated to providing meals to the families of gaza. To give back to the community, no one wants to see that people suffer of starvation. Despite the huge security risks, we are continuing operations and doing whatever we can to continue cooking on a daily basis. The fact we are able to bring more Food Commodities to the north and open more kitchens, we can definitely reduce the risk of starvation in the north. Your group actually operates across gaza but i believe one of your kitchens is very close to where this strike on seven aid workers took place. I wanted to ask you, how does Rebuilding Alliance Co Ordinate with the idf and how do you ensure the safety of the workers on the ground . First, Rebuilding Alliances wants to express our deepest condolences for the tragic loss of the team members that lost their lives from the world central kitchen. Its such an unfortunate event that after taking the Safety Precautions and closely collaborating with the idf that they was still targeted and its such an unfortunate event that happened, and attack actually, i dont want to call it an event. I reporters at the World Food Programme bring commodities to our warehouses so we are not directly in contact with the idf. We ensure our partners safety that are on the ground, cooking and operating in kitchens. We work closely and monitor their Safety Concerns daily. We are doing whatever we can and securing our warehouses and securing the locations and any possible move or invasion of rafah, we have a plan to move them out safely. Joe biden taking a much harsher tone with Benjamin Netanyahu, speaking by phone and pressuring israel to do something about the humanitarian situation in gaza. What did you make of the tougher tone on the white house . The government of israel must respect International Humanitarian law at the end of the day. It prohibits the targeting of humanitarian personnel. The role of aid workers is to alleviate the suffering of the people in crisis and along with the safety of the aid workers, the safety of civilians they are feeding. That is huge, israel must comply with international law. There is no doubt behind that. Adam ramadan, Deputy Director with Rebuilding Alliances, operating a couple of dozen Food Kitchens in gaza along with the World Food Programme. Thank you forjoining us. Thank you. To get some analysis on the idf� s operations amidst increased pressure, i spoke to Emily Harding at the center for strategic and international studies. Thank you for being here. We are now five months into this conflict. We are seeing israels military facing increasing pressure and criticism. What is your assessment of how the idf has been prosecuting this war . I think aggressively is the main word you could use on how the idf is prosecuting the war. It is in israel definitely go after this idea that they were going to completely destroy hamas, we are not entirely sure what that means and what metrics they may use to measure whether or not they have done that. Its difficult to destroy an ideology and you can only go up an ideology and you can only go up to so many people but we have seen them aggressively pursue these objectives. fine have seen them aggressively pursue these objectives. Pursue these obectives. One of those would pursue these objectives. One of those would likely pursue these objectives. One of those would likely be pursue these objectives. One of those would likely be at pursue these objectives. One of those would likely be at least i those would likely be at least capturing the masterminds of the attacks on october seven and so far those two masterminds are still unaccounted for. What does that tell us about the reality on the ground and how difficult an operation this really has been . Its an extremely difficult fight, israel those guys extraordinarily well and they have fought here many times before. They understand its a dense urban environment with a large civilian population and unfortunately hamas has little regard for the lives of palestinians like they have little regard for the lives of israelis and im willing to use abilities as human shields. That meant the fight if youre nearly difficult they are willing to use civilians as human shields. Willing to use civilians as human shields. ,. Human shields. Several attacks on the lebanon human shields. Several attacks on the lebanon border, human shields. Several attacks i on the lebanon border, resource tracks in syria. We are hearing the us is on highlight for retaliation from iran, how likely is that . Is it at risk of becoming broader . Its likely is that . Is it at risk of becoming broader . Its a very delicate of becoming broader . Its a very delicate movement of becoming broader . Its a very delicate movement to | of becoming broader . Its a l very delicate movement to be sure. The israeli strike on the iran diplomatic facility was bolder than some of the other strikes we have seen because it was a diplomatic facility. It was a diplomatic facility. It was also a irg sea bass so they sought as justified. In this moment, the condemnation of the world is on the idf following on the strike on the aid workers and they also would have to know that trying to retaliate against israel right now may rally support to israels cause again and that is something they dont want. I wouldnt be surprised necessarily if iran waited for a little while to retaliate in a little while to retaliate in a different way but i do think that they see this is something that they see this is something that has to be retaliated for and put forces on highlight is and put forces on highlight is a smart move. D0 and put forces on highlight is a smart move. And put forces on highlight is a smart move. Do you think they could potentially a smart move. Do you think they could potentially target could potentially target israels allies like the us . Its possible. From their perspective they see the us and israel as tied at the hip. They see a us hand when israel acts and vice versa so its possible us forces could be targeted but the man i will be phased towards israel. The man i will be phased towards israel. Within the un human rights towards israel. Within the Un Human Rights Council towards israel. Within the un | Human Rights Council adopting towards israel. Within the un i Human Rights Council adopting a Resolution Calling for israel to be held accountable for possible war crimes, crimes against humanity committed in the gaza strip. In terms of what we have seen and the growing chorus of criticism of israels actions, do you see the attack on an aid convoy is potentially a Turning Point . This could be a Turning Point i think the International Condemnation of the debts of the seven aid workers and the mistakes made on the part of the idf could be a real moment where the Benjamin Netanyahu government has to reassess the direction they are taking the conflict. If the reports are true that the conversation between joe true that the Conversation Betweenjoe Biden and Benjamin Netanyahu was tense yesterday that it may be that this is pressure on Benjamin Netanyahu that could result in a change of policy. That could result in a change of policy of policy. When you see the conflict going of policy. When you see the conflict going and of policy. When you see the conflict going and ducey of policy. When you see the i conflict going and ducey israel changing the way that it conducts the war or its aims . Where Will Israel Go now . The real problem where Will Israel Go now . The real problem with where Will Israel Go now . Iie real problem with the prosecution of this war is i dont think israel understands exact what the goal is and their aims exact what the goal is and theiraims are. Exact what the goal is and their aims are. Going up to this is a way to destroy an entire group is not a measurable outcome and im not sure they know when enough is enough stop you pointed out trying to go after leaders of the group is a logical goal but beyond that, when have you done enough to make israeli feel safe. You have to look closely at what they still want to accomplish and whether or not it is worth the continued criticism internationally and they need to carefully evaluate how much aid they could get into the strip as they see really terrible images coming out of hungry palestinians. Emily harding, director of the Intelligence National Security Programme and Deputy Director of the international Security Programme at the Centre Fortitude your studies, thank you very much for your insights. You very much for your insights landslides and rockfalls are threatening rescue crews in taiwan trying to reach some 600 people in remote areas after wednesdays earthquake. At least 12 people were killed and more than 1,000 injured in the islands biggest quake in more than a quarter of a century. A much smaller earthquake here in the us is also making headlines. Not because of its intensity, but because of where it was felt new york city. The magnitude 4. 8 quake struck around 10 30 in the morning, shaking the city and its landmarks. An aftershock also felt hours later. There are no reports of major damage or injuries. The epicentre was about 56 kilometres or 35 miles away in the town of lebanon, newjersey. Residents of newjersey, connecticut, pennsylvania and New York State reported feeling the tremors. Delegates at the United Nations Security Council were briefly startled by the quake, while several major airports briefly paused flights to assess the damage. Unlike in the west coast which sits on a major fault line earthquakes are very rare in this part of the us. The last one of this size struck new york back in 1983. Live now to susan hough, whos a seismologist at the Us Geological survey. I believe we are both californians, are you there in pasadena or its has was constant. This is a rare earthquake, where are you right now . I, i , , now . I am in Western Wisconsin and im based now . I am in Western Wisconsin and im based in now . I am in Western Wisconsin and im based in california, now . I am in Western Wisconsin and im based in california, i and im based in california, i formally worked in new york. You realise what is rare to a geologist is not quite the same as what is rare to people. When you say earthquakes have happened in the area and there were magnitude five earthquakes in 1880s and 1700s, On Human Terms thats a long time ago. Geological timescales, that is not that long ago. You have moderate earthquakes along the atlantic seaboard. Not like california obviously but they really are not rare, per se, in geological terms. Really are not rare, per se, in geological term

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