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BBCNEWS BBC News At Five June 16, 2017

The Prime Minister visits survivors in hospital following criticism of her not meeting residents at the tower block yesterday. We are in west london where the number of people known to have died in the Grenfell Tower via has risen to at least 30. The police say they believe the highest total will be higher. There has been dramatic scenes outside kensington and chelsea town hall. Protesters chanting we want justice chelsea town hall. Protesters chanting We Wantjustice and they briefly gained entry to the building where a scuffle drogue out. Protesters chanting We Wantjustice and bring them out. The bbcs dan johnson was at the scene as the protestors stormed the building. This crowd has been chanting noisily voicing their anger and their demands. The crowds now moving towards the doors of the town hall. That is the main entrance to the offices of kensington and chelsea borough. The blood trying to get into the council to make their point directly. People frustrated that Council Members havent been out on the streets talking to people. Some of the people now taking that message directly to the Borough Of Kensington and chelsea. It looks as though the council doors are closed and locked. 0ur Correspondent dan johnson is outside kensington town hall. Lets return to him now. Those doors werent closed and locked. There was a set of doors open and quite a few people were able to get in through the front doors of the offices of kensington and Chelsea Council. They we re kensington and Chelsea Council. They were inside for quite a time. Maybe 100 people. At one point, the crowd pulled back and were read a statement from the council but most werent happy with the response they got from kensington and Chelsea Borough Council this afternoon and some have gone back towards the doors to try to get back in again. In the last half hour, Police Officers have arrived to try and get them out of the office for ea. Some we re them out of the office for ea. Some were able to get up to the first floor, we believe. A scene of. The council came back with a very flimsy response. The people werent satisfied with the answers. The head of the Communications Department said he would come back with something further but he has not yet done so. People were getting frustrated and came back towards the building. We had a whole group of Police Officers in high visibility jackets, as soon they walked in, they created a barricade. That lead to physical confrontation between police and some of the youth here. Have you seen people arrested . have not seen people arrested but there has been a lot of pushing and shoving between police and the public. It was all good until the police came in and created a barrier. But people did force their way into the Council Offices. That wasnt your plan. Absolutely not. They did not force their way in. They did not force their way in. They demanded answers from the council instead of a written statement. What are your demands . What is the priority that the council hasnt come up with . We need to know how many people were in the building during this tragedy. We need to know what the council is doing to make sure this tragedy does not repeat. People are calling for a criminal investigation so that those behind the £10 Million Contract in refurbishing this building that has led to this tragedy. It is clear that people have felt let down and that people have felt let down and that the council hasnt responded quickly enough. We have had no response from the leader of the council orfrom response from the leader of the council or from the borrower or cheese Chief Executive s of this council. We would like commitments on what the council is going to do for the victims of this borough and for the victims of this borough and for all the victims. They have said that there is a Emergency Accommodation available. There will be temporary accommodation available and people will be re homed within the borough or as close to. Is that not good enough . The people are demanding that they be relocated within the borough. The council is not willing to make that promise to say that people will be relocated within the borough. The phrase that the council is using is that they will do what they can to relocate people as close as possible and they are not help happy with that. this all about broader issues of inequality that people feel. Absolutely. We are in the richest borough in the uk. Within this very borough in the uk. Within this very borough we have some of the very poorest people and the Safety Measures are totally inadequate. The council quickly spend £10 million decorating the exteriors of the building to make it look more Pleasa Nt Building to make it look more pleasant for the rich neighbours. The General Public have had enough and they are frustrated, not only about what is happening in the borough but countrywide we have seen the inequality between the rich and the inequality between the rich and the poor constantly increasing. Theresa may failed to go and talk to the families and members of the community who have suffered from this tragedy. That is why people are upset. She has met some of the injured today in hospital. She may have done so but she did not meet the people, the families of the victims. Where does this go next . I have no clue. I hope we maintain peace and order here. We need Firm Commitment from the council as to what they are going to do. Concrete numbers of finances that are going to be committed. The Council Backing for a public investigation into who are behind the tragedy. Specifically demanding to know the contractors behind the building contracts, what happened there. The government has promised a public enquiry. Happened there. The government has promised a public enquirym happened there. The government has promised a public enquiry. It will not get to what the people want. We have had previous public enquiries and the outcomes have not been satisfactory. People are demanding a public inquest and independent investigation to understand exactly what happened and people are calling it corporate manslaughter. David lammy, mpfor it corporate manslaughter. David lammy, mp for haringey has called for the same thing. We need to see an independent body who will enquire and bring to justice those who are behind the inadequate provisions provided in that building. Thank you. We appreciate your time. Good to talk to you. You get a sense of the anger and frustration that exists within this crowd. They are struggling whether to voice it here or whether to push again into the Council Offices. There are still hundreds of people outside the council determine to get their message through. Listen to what he is saying. Someone took the panel to the council two months ago and showed him. That is what he has said. They were able to see people dying but they were not able to rescue them. Why . We need these answers from the system. As that is why we are here. Do you hear that buzzing in the sky. That is a helicopter. The bbc cut is out because they dont want to hear the people. We need to be heard. We need to be heard. We have things to say. We are in pain. We have been brought by. The police work and serve to protect the people. Dont do that. Professional. They talk over each other they are not releasing the number of people who have died because they do not know where to put the bodies. Staying with these extraordinary pictures outside the town council of kensington and chelsea. Sheer grief. You have maintained hundreds of tower blocks. I have, and in the 19905, tower blocks. I have, and in the 1990s, i carried out links with new worm following Research Carried out ona worm following Research Carried out on a block that collapsed in 1968. We had a National Survey of tower blocks, buildings above five stories in height in england, scotland and wales and northern ireland. And we received hundreds of responses from te na nts received hundreds of responses from tenants associations. 0ver received hundreds of responses from tenants associations. Over 50 failed to meet on a basic, simple check list of worthy fire doors working . Were they actually there in the building . There wasnt cladding on the outside of these buildings then. This has added a new dad mentioned. This has added a new dimensional. I was also the architectural Expert Witness advising the tenants and the families of the people who were killed in the Lakanal House Fire in southwark, at the inquest. The other person who acted with me was rodney king. Sorry to cut in there. When you talked about the basic rule is not being applied, whose responsibility was that to make sure the buildings we re was that to make sure the buildings were safe . Was that to make sure the buildings were safe . In the case of lacanal it was the london borough of southwark. They didnt do it. No submission was made over Building Regulations. This year, they were fined, they were prosecuted by the London Fire Brigade and fine, i think, it was £570,000. The guilty councillors and officers didnt pay that. That was added to the rent bill of the te na nts added to the rent bill of the tenants and Peoples Council tax. So those who should have taken responsibility didnt do so, youre saying. Sam, cani responsibility didnt do so, youre saying. Sam, can i ask you. They had acted. Im sorry to speak over you. We have heard in the last three days many people saying we dont need another review. We dont need another enquiry. We know what happened. Do you feel that you know what happened . Happened. Do you feel that you know what happened . I think anybody looking at those photographs with the knowledge of that block, on fire, with the knowledge of the Building Industry would know why. The regulations, the Building Regulations which cover fire, proof document be, the coroner at the inquest for lacanal recommended to eric pickles that section was com pletely eric pickles that section was completely rewritten because after Hearing Evidence on it, over nearly two days from an expert that she appointed, she apologised to the court and to the jury over the evidence that had been given by her expert because she said it was totally incomprehensible. Now, that hasnt been followed up. Why . Why havent the government done anything about those things . The other thing was that she recommended sprinklers we re was that she recommended sprinklers were fitted in blocks like this. They have to go in new buildings. If there had been a Sprinkler System in this building, there wouldnt have been a fire by the time the fire brigade got there. The cars it would have been contained in the room of origin. Because it would. Have been contained in the room of origin. Because it would. Many thanks for your time. We are going to have to leave it there. The pictures that you see are over kensington and chelsea town hall where a protest of many hundreds of people has been taking place this afternoon. Dan johnson was people has been taking place this afternoon. Danjohnson was on the scene as the protesters stormed the building. This crowd has been chanting very noisily, voicing their anger and making specific demands of kensington and Chelsea Council. It looks like now the crowd is moving towards the doors of the town hall, actually. If we just spin around and look. That is the main entrance to the offices of kensington and chelsea borough. It looks like people are actually trying to get into the council to make their points directly. Theyve been frustrated that they havent seen officials from the council, they havent been on the streets talking enough to people. Some of the crowd taking this message directly to the Borough Of Kensington and chelsea. It looks like the doors of the office are closed and locked. I dont think anyone has been able to get in. Those emotions simmering away these last three days clearly boiling over outside the town hall. Danjohnson boiling over outside the town hall. Dan johnson is still there boiling over outside the town hall. Danjohnson is still there with people who are protesting. Whats the scene now . Things seem to have calmed down in the last few minutes. Things did boil over at one point and there was a set of doors to the council that was opened and a number of people were able to get inside and blocked the foyer a for some time. Stopping people getting in. We wa nt time. Stopping people getting in. We want justice tell time. Stopping people getting in. We wantjustice tell me what answers you want. Who is to be held accountable for the deaths in that tower. It has nothing to do with religion. It has nothing to do with islam. No one has said that. Islamic state about violence. It is about peace. We are normal humans who have missed theirfamily peace. We are normal humans who have missed their family and friends. Of course. The council has said there will be an investigation. The whole procedure is chaotic. Why dont you have faith in it . The whole procedure is chaotic. We are sent from hospital to hospital. Why is there no Community House or Family Members . Why do we have to go and look actively for them . Why do they make is called Family Members . There is no action. It is made by someone on other peoples car. We live in the modern world. Why is it carried out like this rest are it doesnt make sense. We just need the Public Authority to come here and say exactly what the procedure is. Not someone in the westway, or in this hospital. You want them to come and talk to you directly. We need the public authorities to come here. Will you stay until you get that . Of course. We are not leaving until they come out and give us answers. If they were not guilty, why are they hiding . In the beginning is started with peace. Everybody was standing and marching together. When we heard that the police were letting them out through the other door, that is when we became angry. Why are they hiding from us . They are hiding the truth. You get a sense of that anger. It has boiled overfor some of them sense of that anger. It has boiled over for some of them who have gone straight into the council to take the message directly to cancel officials. The police are stopping them from doing it again. Height a few people saying they will stay until they get the chance to address cancel officials directly to tell them that the response they have had is not good enough. They say the responses and quick enough, there hasnt been enough information quick enough, there hasnt been enough money made available for the families affected. This has opened up families affected. This has opened up issues about inequality and the wealth and poverty that exists side by side in this borough. Deep running issues that have existed for many years that have boiled over because of what has happened this week. Very serious issues to be dealt with this week. Its going to be very competitive. The council has a toughjob be very competitive. The council has a tough job on be very competitive. The council has a toughjob on its hands trying be very competitive. The council has a tough job on its hands trying to address the concerns of these people. Yes, indeed. Dan, many thanks. We will be back to you shortly with an update on what is going on. These are the pictures, as you can see just above kensington and chelsea town hall. In a sense this has the focal point for peoples emotions about this terrible terrible tragedy. We have had furious, frustration, grief and raw emotion bubbling over. A little earlier, and johnson who has been there from the outset is spoke to there from the outset is spoke to the person leading the protests. A list of demands that he wanted to put the councils. We requested the council to provide the list or at least the number of residents in that tower block. The council has these numbers, however, their response to this question was this is not a matterfor the response to this question was this is not a matter for the council but for the coroner. Police and other Emergency Services but we understand that this is hugely distressing time for everyone of the victims and we will do all we can with our police collea g u es will do all we can with our Police Colleagues to support people. I ask Martin Fitzpatrick to give me a number, a fixed number, he took my number, a fixed number, he took my numberand he number, a fixed number, he took my number and he says that he will go u psta i rs number and he says that he will go upstairs and try and get hold of the Numberand Upstairs and try and get hold of the number and share it with others today. Not 17 not 17 chanting not 17 i understand that the number we get from the council is not satisfactory. Well, as that protest was going on, i spoke to councillor Robert Atkinson from the royal Borough Of Kensington and the and i asked him if he understood the frustrations of the protesters . Of course i can understand perfectly well why this neglected and not listen to population are furious at what has happened. Absolutely i understand where they are coming from. It is extremely important that the council actually gets a grip of the council actually gets a grip of the situation. And hou

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