Now on bbc news Melissa Hogenboom considers the age old question of free will and what the latest Scientific Research can tell us about how we make decisions. Im placing the electrodes. I chose to be here. This was my choice at least, i think it was. Most of you will believe that you chose to watch this video. We do worry about manipulation by the media and by advertising and by other people and so on. You freely willed it. What is the degree of freedom that you give to this definition of free will . 0ur choices define us. So if thats what were talking about then we dont have free will. But reality may not be so simple. There you go. He chuckles in the early 80s, Benjamin Libet designed an elegant experiment to help us understand the mechanism of Decision Making in the brain. This is the libet experiment. All i have to do is watch the spinning dots and click a button whenever i feel like it then report to the scientist at what time i felt the urge to click. Meanwhile, my brain activity is being monitored. Most of us would assume that our choices register as an increase in brain activity and result in us clicking the button but whats actually observed is a build up of brain activity called the readiness potential a full second earlier than the conscious urge to click. This has been replicated hundreds of times. What are the implications of this kind of experiment . So, the folk definition of free will is that your mind controls your body meaning that your mind is free to decide what to do and send the command to your body but when you consider the libet experiment it means that conscious intentions instead of being the cause of motor preparation is the consequence of an antecedent brain activity so it challenges this dualistic view of mind body causation. And so in my group you know weve gone back and redone all the libet experiments very carefully and we find that you get a readiness potential even in the absence of a motor act like doing this versus that if a person expects something to happen, so my own guess is that the readiness potential is tied up with expectation or anticipation that something is about to happen. The experiment is over. My mind is no longer the controller. Rather, its firmly seated in my conscious brain guiding and responding to whispers from my subconscious. Right, i need some food. Probably we can see that a lot of our decisions even not all our decisions are the result of a prior brain activity and as an example there is an elegant study by the team ofjohn dylan haynes who showed that by using neuroimaging measurements with mri scanner you can actually predict what will be the decision of participants before theyre actually conscious of having taken that decision. This begs the question how can we have free will if our unconscious brain is making decisions before we do . The unconscious is not unintelligent. The unconscious guides us in ways which is itself responsive to reasons. Take the following scenario. Im walking, over eight months pregnant, hungry and very tired. When i listen into what my subconscious is saying, shes tired and hungry, too. Strangely, she wants beans for lunch. Sometimes were influenced badly by unconscious reasons theres no doubt about it because advertisers do psychological experiments to find what were sensitive to and then they set up the environment so we make decisions through unconscious subliminal influences. We know theres lots of examples of priming. Even if we start from the kind of everyday. Which baked beans do i choose in the supermarket . Its sort of quite easy to get from there to a genuine worry about whether you really made that choice freely, when you pick the heinz versus the own brand or whatever it is. Fine. No beans, then . Or am ijust saying that because i feel my subconscious has been duped . That might be a problem, but then that happens with conscious Decision Making too. People lie to us. Once you start sort of pushing the boundaries of manipulation, it starts to be a really hard question. When are we sufficiently in control and when arent we . How can we step outside that and get outside those influences or can we, even . Yeah. No, we cant. I mean, the best we can do is because were human beings and were incredibly clever were able to reflect on all of this stuff. I think a lot of our Decision Making is playing out in this internal Virtual Reality of our imagination and we spend about half of our waking day in there, imagining this versus that and some of those imaginings or deliberations are not terribly consequential like whom to invite for dinner. Others are very consequential. Like whom should i marry or what country should i live in . And i want to argue that our internal Virtual Reality of our imagination is where free will is really active. Its not picking as in the libet test its really an issue of choosing consequential decisions. Right, im still hungry. Im back at the beans but ill take some time to avoid any unconscious bean based biases i may have and deliberate on which to buy. If you want to call free willjust our capacity to make Intelligent Decisions which is hugely impressive then i have no problem with that. In that case, youd want to say we have lots of free will. Other animals have some. Even a tiger can weigh its options so we have the sort of first order deliberation in common with the tiger. However, in addition, humans have this sort of higher level or second order capacity to deliberate namely, to deliberate about our own future self. And heres the strange thing i felt much freer randomly clicking buttons for the libet test than i did when i started to overthink which can of beans to buy or certainly any of the big life stuff where all sorts of constraints are put upon the possible choices i can make. We do have some freedom to act within the parameters given to us by nature and by our society, and then those parameters that we set for ourselves like deciding to learn a new language, or to go to the gym or even to become a better person. When we spoke on the phone, you said you werent sure about free will, and now youre saying you dont think we have it. Yeah. Because im just waiting for additional scientific evidence. Its just that at the moment with what we know, its hard to really believe in free will, um, but perhaps somebody no matter in the field neuroscience, neurobiology or physics will find a new experiment. Wait, why did she say physics . The laws of physics suggest that if something happens its caused by something before it and so tracing all the way back to the big bang the laws of physics tell us how one thing one event will lead to another cause and effect. In this scenario, there are two choices i could make, but when i knock over the big bang domino right at the back, it would result in a cascade of events that inevitably leads me to making choice a rather than b. This is determinism the view that all our choices in life are in some way fated to happen. Now, since we and our brains are after all only made of atoms theres nothing else no magic extra then our brains are subject to the laws of physics so in a deterministic universe where one thing follows the other surely when we think were making free choices its just the laws of physics playing themselves out. Its just that our brains are so complex that we can never predict in advance what someones going to do or even what we ourselves are going to do so we have the illusion of free will. Name a woman and you might say oh, i dont know youll name someone, and i say, ok, name a woman politician, and you might say oh, i dont know hillary clinton. Then ill add a third criterion. Name a european woman politician and youll say theresa may or, you know, Margaret Thatcher or Angela Merkel. I would say a fundamental mistake the determinists make is that they think of causation in general and causation in the brain in particular in terms of what is sufficient that this event in the brain is sufficient to cause that event in the brain. If causation in the brain is, however, criterial and theres lots of different ways to meet any given set of criteria, then causation is not a matter of sufficiency that if this happens, that has to happen its a matter of adequacy. Why did you say, say, Angela Merkel first as opposed to Margaret Thatcher . I would say, well, that comes down to chance. Its not utterly random, right . When i said to you, think of a woman european politician, you didnt say frog or, you know, truth or democracy. You said, you know, whatever you said. So, it was not utterly random, but it was constrained randomness within those criteria. 0k. Now ill add some randomness with turbulence and well see that knocking over the big bang domino could result in either choice a or choice b. There are some criteria, though the blocks must all be the same size and not ducks. Still, it could be argued that that randomness we added with the turbulence even though incredibly complex would still obey the laws of determinism. Heres a pattern of energy. Its a rhythm. Tap along. Keep tapping. In a second, i will cut the track and you should carry on tapping. That pattern of sound caused a pattern of activity in your brain which resulted in a pattern of movement in your finger, but not all of you would have kept to the rhythm exactly and there would have been those amongst you who refused to tap at all. Rebels. So, patterns of energy that trigger patterns of energy may not cause a predictable effect. Patterns of energy dont obey the traditional laws of physics. What evolution has done is taken matter and made it sensitive to patterns of energy. Lets go back to those dominoes. Lets zoom into this part here thats happening inside the brain. So, this pattern of dominoes will result in either choice a or choice b depending on turbulence but in the brain the pattern is not fixed. If i find choice a morally repugnant, i can change the pattern so that only choice b is ever possible. My abstract morality which is itself a pattern of information will shape the decisions i make. So, i think that evolution created a whole new kind of physical system which we call life which is rooted in patterns of energy triggering patterns of energy and paramount to that is our consciousness which is, ultimately, a kind of pattern of information realised in the brain that allows us to model the world and ourselves in it. But what if our future already exists . In what way then are the choices we make ever truly free . The block universe is an idea in physics that developed pretty soon after einstein came up with his special theory of relativity where he said that time and space have to be unified. You cant talk about three dimensional space and one dimensional time as though theyre separate things. Theyre part of one four dimensional space time. So, the block universe isa bit like. Imagine space was only flat only two dimensional, and then the third dimension is time. So, think of a loaf of bread. The time axis is along the length of the loaf and space are the individual slices. The block universe says that its not just the present time that exists. The past hasnt gone and been forgotten and the future hasnt yet to be decided. In the block universe, all times co exist. Theyre just different slices of the loaf. There is no universal present moment. In this scenario, it doesnt matter which of the domino simulations i pick because every single frame of that animation already exists and will exist forever. There can only ever be one outcome. Weve done many, many experiments over the last century since einsteins theory of relativity and we know this is really the case. If the future already exists if its already set as it were even though we havent experienced it yet then that suggests that we have no free will. Is that not a bit dangerous to go through life thinking, oh, it doesnt really matter what decision i make because its all set in stone anyway . Would that not have a negative impact . I mean, i think it can engender a certain kind of worry about, you know, the meaninglessness of human existence or the futility of going through life as though were making all these choices and determining our own path and really were not determining our own path. But actually, we cant see the future. We have that illusion that we have free will and that is powerful. In fact, that is good enough. For all practical purposes, we are making free choices. The fact that once the future has arrived and we can turn back and say, it was always going to be this way hasnt detracted from us feeling that we were making free choices to begin with. So, i dont feel depressed about the fact that my free will isjust an illusion, because for me its very real. But which reality are we talking about . Physics currently has two main theories to describe reality. The theory of relativity is used to describe events at the large and very large scale while Quantum Mechanics describes events at the small and the very small scale. What quantum theory does is it predicts the probability of outcomes. So, now lets add a quantum domino. This domino can be in one of two places, but well only know which one once its been hit by the previous domino. We can run the simulation over and over. Sometimes well end up with choice a and others with choice b. This is a truly random domino and we could substitute this for the turbulence that we added earlier to create a more accurate model that refutes determinism. Now, you can talk about a block universe thats very different. This would be a block universe where all possibilities exist and i think that is valid. Now, take this new notion of a block universe of all possible things in some sense already having happened because theyre possible. Well, in that notion of a block universe, you carve out this reality versus that reality. You choose to make happen this reality where you will in a year from now speak swahili versus that alternate reality where in a year from now youll speak mandarin and that comes down to your own decisions. So, general relativity seems to support determinism and no free will while with Quantum Mechanics the opposite is true. Its called indeterminism and does support the presence of free will. The problem is that both theories work really well at describing their own events at their scale, but not at the others. But which is most true for us . Still, they do agree on one thing that all our choices freely willed or not will echo through space for all time. I guess i think it doesnt really matter whether determinism is true or not because i think even if it is true we can have the kind of control over our actions that we need in order to be accountable. So, now we get to the crux of it. Whats the actual point of asking these questions about free will in the first place . Because humans have the capacity to reason and humans also have the capacity to realise their potential and become a new kind of person, they are moral or immoral in the sense that they became the kind of person that could, for example, kill a girl and they have some responsibility in having become such a person because their own choices led to the cultivation of becoming this kind of person say a murderer or that kind of person, say, someone who will take care of children. So if you offered me £100 to torture a kitten, i definitely wouldnt do it. Definitely wouldnt. Well done, me. But why is it that i wouldnt take the £100 to torture the kitten . Well, its probably partly an external constraint. Like, if £100 was life or death, maybe i would take the £100 and torture the kitten, but its not. So, theres the external constraints, but theres also internal constraints, right . Here i am im the sort of person that doesnt go around torturing kittens for a hundred quid but thats a function of my background, my environment, my upbringing all of those things. If id been brought up in a very different kind of environment, maybe i would have made a different decision. One example of reduced control over our choices seems to be when following orders. The moral behaviour of people can change drastically when theyjust obey the orders of an authority. Emily devised an experiment to investigate brain activity in this scenario. Two participants were sat facing each other where the agent could deliver a mildly painful electric shock to the victim in exchange for money. Sometimes she would order them to deliver the shock, and other times she would not. Even if people know that they can say no and refuse an order specifically in the context of an experiment because in the case of war you can still consider that military are afraid of being sent to, like, the military court, but for the sake of an experiment people should mainly refuse to follow the orders to send the shock to somebody else. And in fact, we have observed that its not the case. Ive tested about 600 participants so far and only five refused to administer shocks to somebody else which is, like, not a lot, for sure. How did the differences play out in the brain between the condition where the participant is free to decide how many shocks versus when theyre told to give shocks . First of all, the sense of agency of agents is reduced when they obey the orders of somebody else in comparison with a condition in which participants are free to decide what to do and thats very interesting because the sense of agency is a subjective experience that everybody has when one is performing an action. Also, by using electrooculography we have seen that outcome processing is reduced when people obey orders. So, it means somehow that when people obey orders the brain uses less resources to process the surrounding environment. Its more like a passive condition for the brain. So, here we see external and internal constraints having a measurable effect on brain activity and inhibiting our ability to freely choose our actions. And its by no means the only situation where this is the case. Weve put people under all kinds of disadvantages in terms of knowledge, education, opportunities even Brain Development because you can show that poverty leads to less in the way of the capacity to inhibit impulses neurally. And having put people in these circumstances through social choices, we then blame them when they commit the actions which theyre likely to commit in any case. In that sense, i dont think we have free will. What im denying is the retributive punishment which is what we do we put them in worse conditions they come out worse not better. In order to do that, some people try to justify the existence of free will. I dont think thats morally justified. I think thats treating the unlucky worse because theyre unlucky. I dont think we have that kind of free will. I dont think that that has to be the case. You dont have to have a punishment oriented notion ofjustice at all. Ithink, you know, for example, the attitude in sweden where you try to cultivate a new way of thinking in a