In two weeks, despite the setback created by that vote. The Daily Express says the House Of Lords will fail in its bid to derail the governments plans for a hard brexit. The times leads with record highs. Highs for stockmarkets on both sides of the atlantic after President Trumps first speech to congress. The i has a Police Watchdog warning about the perilous state of policing which it says is on the verge of a National Crisis because of cutbacks to services. And the daily mail takes up that issue too claiming Tens Of Thousands of Crime Suspects are on the loose because of substandard policing. Now its time for hardtalk welcome to hardtalk, im stephen sackur. For years, the Israeli Palestinian conflict has been stuck, condemned to repeat itself year in, year out. But now, something has changed. The two protagonists remain deaf to each others demands, but there is a new us president , who seems to care little for washingtons long established quest for a Two State Solution. So what does that mean . Well, my guess is husam zomlot, adviser to the Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas. Does the trump era signal the end for the palestinian dream of statehood 7 husam zomlot in ramallah, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you, stephen, thank you for having me. Mr zomlot, you are relatively young for a senior figure in the Palestinian Authority. Most of your adult life you have lived with the oslo Peace Process. Are you prepared to acknowledge today that for all intents and purposes, that notion of an oslo Peace Process is dead . First of all, thank you for the compliment, considering me young. I am well in my 40s. Believe me, when it comes to the Palestinian Authority, thats pretty young. Your leaders 81, most of your senior officials are in their 70s. I understand your relative theory, but i also witnessed the oslo process as a young man. Witnessed the demise of the implementation of that Peace Process. I think, if you are talking about the process itself, yes, it has been discredited. All along, since 1997, we should have had a state according to the oslo accord, israel should have withdrawn from all the territories it occupied in 1967. In fact, what happened ever after was the deepening of the occupation and the spread of the colonial settlements and the besiegement of the people in gaza and what have you. You are right, the process has failed miserably to deliver the outcome and to many, many people, it was a process actually designed to prevent the outcome, process that was going in the opposite direction. But the hope and the aspiration and the goal of two states, a State Of Palestine under the 1967 borders, the hoped for two states that live in coexistence and peace with each other and form a bridge between east and west, is a hope that remains very firm in the hearts of the millions of palestinians and israelis and remains to receive the interNational Consensus, has been seen in the last Un Security Council resolution only a few weeks ago. But you cant hold onto hopes that are unrealistic, thats not doing your people any good. If oslo and that means of getting to a Two State Solution is dead, maybe you should regard it as a healthy tonic, in a way, that americas new President Donald Trump said, and of course you know these words well, he said, im looking at a Two State Solution and a one state. And i like the one that both parties like. I can live with either one. So in other words, we now have a new situation. We have an american president who, first of all, doesnt seem to care very much about what happens in israel, palestine. And simply leaves it to the parties to get on with it. He doesnt care if theres a two state or not. In fact, hed take a One State Solution . Stephen, wed like to hear from President Trump what he exactly means by One State Solution, really. This is rather interesting, we want to listen to this proposition. All what we had is this one sentence and this is in complete and its not enough. Our future hangs on this one sentence. The plo official, the Palestine Liberation Organisation official platform, until 1988 was one Democratic State for all of its citizens, in the historic land of palestine for muslims, christians and jews. But that platform had to be compromised simply because there was a condition by the international community. In fact, by the Reagan Administration on the plo that we must abandon our dream of a one Democratic State, diverse and respecting the rule of law for all of its citizens to a Two State Solution. And we did respect that condition and we endorsed the Two State Solution, according to the us and International Requirements for peace. And you know, it took us so many years to get to that national equilibrium here in palestine to establish a National Consensus on the Two State Solution and on accepting and recognising israel on 70 of our land. So. Before we jump into another conclusion, we have too studied the history. The One State Solution was always a nonstarter in israel. Israel has totally, utterly rejected such a proposition. If israel rejects the one state. Im going to stop you because you are raising ceremony different points, all of which are important about internal politics in palestine, because you claim you reached a consensus, which of course you havent, because thats why gaza and the west bank are so deeply divided politically, so well get to that later. But one thing at a time, lets stick with trump, because he is the new actor in all of this. You are about to go to washington to be the new Palestinian Ambassador in the united states, representative in the united states. The Chief Palestinian Negotiator said the other day, nobody in washington will talk to you palestinians. He said weve sent letters, written them messages, they dont even bother to respond to us. That must worry you that the trump team do not seem to be interested in talking to you palestinians . Ok, maybe that statement came out before we actually did have communication with the trump administration. There was a very Senior Palestinian official delegation visiting washington only a few weeks ago at the top level. And there was also very senior american delegation from the new administration, one of the closest associates to President Trump visiting us here. You mean cia director pompeo, right . Regardless, regardless. This is important. Hang on, this is imported. You are telling me, oh yes, dont worry, weve got the contacts. Look, the truth is Binyamin Netanyahu has already had a very cosy meeting with donald trump at the white house. Just tell me, whats the extent of the direct personal contact between Mahmoud Abbas and donald trump . This is a new administration, steve and this new administration, by the way, is still in the making, its not even completed yet. This administration also has no fully fledged policy, its not really formed its policy about israel, palestine. Ijust asked you a direct question, what is the direct answer . What is the direct answer . The direct answer, we expect a relationship and we expect to be invited to the white house and the state department, like we have been. We have been a close partner of the us for many, many years. The long held us policy is very well known. The Huge Investment the us has made with us and our investment towards this relative stability is something neither us nor the us is willing to forego and therefore we do expect that. Were not the exception, by the way, we are the rule here. Let me say this sentence, most of all leaders did not have the chance to talk to President Trump. Binyamin netanyahu was the exception there and Binyamin Netanyahu misused that one ear that was given to him and misinformed the american president he wanted to legitimise his illegal settlement activities. He did not get that and it was clear that President Trump asked him to back off, to stop his settlement activities. He wanted President Trump to announce the abandonment of the Two State Solution. He did not get that actually. And all that President Trump said, that hes fine with the two solutions and we want to hear from him more. And thirdly, he wanted President Trump to announce the moving of the Embassy Tojerusalem from tel aviv, tojerusalem. And he did not get that. Yet, we still have a second year of President Trump and we very much look forward to giving him the reality, the truth and the logic of the situation here. All i can say is, you do seem to me to be a wild optimist, because you seem to think the americans are in Listening Mode and they are waiting to talk to you. You just touched upon a very important point, the us embassy, currently, of course in tel aviv, as all International Embassies are. Now, donald trump has made it plain he will seriously consider the idea of moving that Embassy Tojerusalem, even though it seems to have been put on the back burner for now. But, what we do know for sure is the man picked to be the next Us Ambassador to yemen israel, david friedman, not only intends to work out ofjerusalem, hes that very plain, he has a house injerusalem, hes also very closely tied to the Settler Movement and sits on the board of one of the ngos that backs one of the settler blocks in the west bank. And hes going to be the next Us Ambassador in israel. So, when you go to washington and you think you can reach out to the trump administration, its going to be awfully difficult, isnt it . We hope not. We realise all what you are saying and we are worried, indeed we are worried about some of these signals. But we might not be the Strongest Party in this world, definitely as palestinians, but we are certainly the strongest when it comes to our issue. President trump has already said he is seeking the ultimate deal and he even continued saying, for the sake of humanity, and he even said there are two sides to this. Having said there are two sides to this, having said there is little land left for the palestinians, that is President Trump we are waiting to give him the other side of the story, thats number one, its very logical. Number two, because we are invested in peace and because we have heavily maintained the situation at the expense of our own legitimacy, by the way. And because the us knows that, we are actually the ultimate partners, if he is seeking the ultimate deal. And there will be in no deal without us and yes, this is not being optimistic, this is being realistic and we have our options. For instance, about the embassy, we did formally, in a letter by the president , president abbas, send to President Trump outlining the danger of such a move, how destructive it would be on the prospects of peace. So were not sitting still, we are waiting, we are preparing, we are engaging and we would like to have the best Case Scenario. But should the worst Case Scenario happen, we are also here to make sure our issue remains to be respected as an interNational Consensus and our rights enshrined in international law. Yes, we are not existentially worried. Ok, you are not existentially worried, but lets stop talking about trump for a moment and talk about your strategy, when it comes to netanyahu. And i think most israelis, as well as people around the world, are recognising this is one of the most right wing governments in israels history, if not the most right wing. Your boss, Mahmoud Abbas, said many weeks ago, he said if israel pushes ahead with this legislation to legalise settlements built on private palestinian land, then he would cut Security Cooperation with israel. Well of course, that bill has now passed and as far as i can see it, Mahmoud Abbas has no intention of making good on that threat, or am i missing something . No, you are missing something because i think that decision was made, and it was even made by the plo central council, and now it has been approved by this very legitimate sort of parliament for all palestinians for the Executive Branch to decide on the timing. Remember, steve, the issue of security is notjust an israeli demand, its notjust an israeli interest, it also palestinian interest and we dont want to see a situation here where we have groups and agencies from all over the region, and you know what is happening around us, just 300 kilometres all around and we want to make sure we deliver such a policy at the right time. Forgive the interruption, but if i may tease out what you seem to havejust said to me, your priority is more in keeping a lid on hamas in the west bank than it is on ending Security Cooperation with israel . We have no lid on hamas whatsoever. Hamas is in gaza and is in full control of gaza. No, thats not what i said. No, but it is the west bank we are talking about, you need the israeli Security Cooperation in the west bank to help you keep yourselves, fatah, on top in the west bank, israel is your ally in that . No, no thats not true. We dont want tojump in the air at this point in time, we dont want to be maximalist at this point in time, we want to make sure that while we retain position and keep our achievements, national achievements, we also look to move forward. Therefore, we will choose, the president will choose the right moment to end, not only Security Cooperation, but Economic Cooperation and reformulate our relationship with israel as occupying power. Well, i want to talk economy just briefly, if i may . You say, yes, we will and security and Economic Cooperation with israel. I would put it to you, you cant afford to. First of all, you need the israelis to hand over the customs and the border revenues that come to you through the israelis. And if you lose those, you are in even worse economic circumstances than you are in right now. Also, the Tens Of Thousands of palestinians who either work inside israel, on the other side of the green line, or frankly, lets be honest, thousands of palestinians work on Building Sites and construction building the veryjewish settlements you say are the chief obstacle to peace. If you stop all of those people doing thosejobs, your economy is going to fall apart . Thats also not accurate, steve. If we are going to accept Substitute Liberation and independence of our own sovereignty, with pieces of bread being thrown on us by the israeli occupation, the whole situation will continue. The Socio Economic situation in the west bank and gaza is simply the Socio Economic situation in the west bank and gaza is simply unprecedented in terms of how deteriorated it has been. All Economic Indicators show some sort of an economic, whats the word . Slaughterhouse, actually. Let me give you some numbers very quickly, about the economic disparity. Because of us having to work in israel, not by choice, but coercion. Our population is around 12. 7 million. We have 95 literacy and we have 70 under the age of 29. This is a very useful, very educated society. And we have very wealthy, natural re sources. Yet, our gdp, i am talking 2015, just quick numbers, is 12 billion, compared to 305 billion in israel. Our per capita is 2800 compared to 36,000. You dont need to go any further. You dont have too persuade me that in terms of economic power, in terms of political and military leveraged, You Palestinians Cannot compete in any way with israel. Believe me, you dont have to persuade