but the truth is, russia holds the cards when it comes to this question of energy supplies and gas distribution, because ukraine, for years, has become dependent on the income that comes from being the servicer of russia's gas exports to europe. even today, you still get billions of dollars — at least $2 billion a year — from transhipment fees. you haven't weaned yourself off that — you should have done, and now you're vulnerable. i think i have a rather differentjob. i will explain what i mean. so, before i came back to naftogaz in 2014, ukraine naftogaz, my company, was paying on average $5 billion more for russian gas supplies then we were getting for transit. so money was going from ukraine to russia. what we changed, what my team changed at naftogaz, is that, yes, again, we made russia pay more for transit, and, again,