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Transcripts For BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240703

Capabilities. And The Americans perhaps the birds, we dont know. Thejordanians and said that they shot some down across their airspace. Between them all day stopped pretty much all of them. There was one Ballistic Missile hit, in Air Force Base South of israel. The israelis, half past six this morning i watch a Zoom Briefing where their main spokesman did for that they were pointedly saying we have video of f 35 is landing at that base was locked up bases operational. So the message from that site is, yes, they try to hit us and we rebuff them. As ever in the middle east its a bit more complicated than that. We the middle east its a bit more complicated than that. We had you on sunda s complicated than that. We had you on Sundays Newscast complicated than that. We had you on Sundays Newscast recently complicated than that. We had you on Sundays Newscast recently and complicated than that. We had you on Sundays Newscast recently and the. Sundays newscast recently and the hi i Sundays Newscast recently and the big question became, what would iran do because big question became, what would iran do because of the attack is not now the question becomes what will israel the question becomes what will israel do . , the question becomes what will israel do . ,. ,. , the question becomes what will israeldo . ,. ,. ,. , israel do . Just to go back for those who dont follow israel do . Just to go back for those who dont follow it israel do . Just to go back for those who dont follow it blowbyblow. L who dont follow it blow by blow. April the 1st, there was an air strike on the iranian diplomatic compound in the syrian capital. The israelis say that was not at diplomatic premise that was a revolutionary guard corps centre. It wasnt actually because i know the building. I passed it in damascus everywhere. Central to damascus. They hit thought. In that building was a very Senior General and less Senior General and various other important iranians. I think it was less the people who were killed, it was more where they were put up that this was regarded diplomatically, it is under International Law as effectively iranian territory. They were going to respond and they said in the very outset. The question is what will they do now. I thought they wouldnt do a full on attack. The question was, was this a formal attack or a demonstration of their will, what potentially they could do, could they do move . It was it was a real hazlitt wouldve attacked big time from lebanon. His brother has got. Ihla big time from lebanon. His brother has not. ,. , ~. , big time from lebanon. His brother has got a i has got. No one quite knows. A thousand has got. No one quite knows. A thousand. Know, has got. No one quite knows. A thousand. Know, ive has got. No one quite knows. A thousand. Know, ive seen has got. No one quite knows. A thousand. Know, ive seen a. Thousand. Know, ive seen a different missiles, rockets, some of which could reach tel aviv or further south the map. Had it been a full on attack it wouldve come from all sides. � full on attack it wouldve come from all sides. , �. , , all sides. That didnt happen. This is important all sides. That didnt happen. This is important for all sides. That didnt happen. This is important for the all sides. That didnt happen. This is important for the newscasters l all sides. That didnt happen. This i is important for the newscasters who are smart bunch and understand, 300 missiles and drones, sounds like something absolutely enormous. But what you are saying is it was significant but if the iranians really, really meant is that they could have unleashed something much more dramatic with the help of their friends in his brother who tend to operate. Friends in his brother who tend to operate friends in his brother who tend to operate. Yes, they operate and the net operate. Yes, they operate and they get their operate. Yes, they operate and they get their weapons operate. Yes, they operate and they get their weapons in operate. Yes, they operate and they get their weapons in their they get their weapons in their backing and their training and their funding from iran. Thats very important for the 300 is law, if it wasnt for the air defence it would cause havoc and kill a lot of people but they have that those defences. Youre also saying clearly some new have been asking, how can you cover this without covering the attack on the rig. The attack on his diplomatic compound in damascus. This is your bread and butter and meat and drink it you are saying to us clearly today this was the retaliation for the attack in damascus, an israeli strike which i havent admitted to. We also saying yes, it was big and significant. However, this is not such a terrible conflagration that it might� ve been. They said in the past they wanted to calibrate this because they want a wider work but they have to do something. Wider work but they have to do something wider work but they have to do somethina. J. ,. , wider work but they have to do somethin. J. ,. ,. , something. Theyve also painted on the attack in something. Theyve also painted on the attack in damascus something. Theyve also painted on the attack in damascus in something. Theyve also painted on the attack in damascus in their the attack in damascus in their statement. This would have unfolded a window statement. This would have unfolded a window of time for us. It was about a window of time for us. It was about midnight that the Permanent Mission about midnight that the Permanent Mission to the un tweeted that this had concluded. They had actually said we had concluded. They had actually said we have concluded our operation, dont retaliate. And they pinned operation, dont retaliate. And they pinned the operation, dont retaliate. And they pinned the strike on damascus. They want to say. Pinned the strike on damascus. They want to say. You pinned the strike on damascus. They want to say, you hit pinned the strike on damascus. They want to say, you hit us, pinned the strike on damascus. Tue want to say, you hit us, we hate you. Were even. You. Were even. And it is really spokesperson you. Were even. And it is really spokesperson told you. Were even. And it is really spokesperson told us you. Were even. And it is really spokesperson told us this you. Were even. And it is really i spokesperson told us this morning you. Were even. And it is really spokesperson told us this morning on tv that it was a bittersweet moment, better because it was a major attack for that but it had a sweetness because they admitted to deter it. However, i dont want to give the impression that there were any way minimising theirs. At the reason this is so important is that in the history of the very troubled relationship, bitter between iran and israel there is never previously been a direct attack from iran into israel. Why does that matter so much and why does it matter so much and that widerjigsaw . Its and why does it matter so much and that widerjigsaw . That wider igsaw . Its because from the that widerjigsaw . Its because from the outside in that widerjigsaw . Its because from the outside in the that widerjigsaw . Its because from the outside in the middle that widerjigsaw . Its because from the outside in the middle east that widerjigsaw . Its because from the outside in the middle east is the outside in the middle east is very turbulent and looks chaotic. There are actually to some refer to as Rules Of The Game. They operate up as Rules Of The Game. They operate up to a certain level. For example, there is been since the october seven attacks and firing first from lebanon that israel and the two sides have been whacking each other. The Rules Of The Game on that is used stick to military targets. You dont try and kill civilians put up the israelis have actually this year been pushing harder and lebanon. But his brother have been pretty much stayed to the quote, rules to the game for the iniquity that relationships between iran and enmity between iran and israel, iran has this network of proxies, not just proxies analysed, for example the who these in yemen apparently did take part they are nobody� s proxy. They do what they want themselves. I spent quite a bit of time with them and they are independent. They have an alliance with iran that suits both. Where as you can say that militias in iraq and syria are decidedly proxies. They do is they are told. So under these they do is they are told. So under these rules, they do is they are told. So under these rules, ifind it they do is they are told. So under these rules, i find it shocking as a journalist these rules, i find it shocking as a journalist to these rules, i find it shocking as a journalist to hear that phrase rules of the journalist to hear that phrase Rules Of The Game. I think newscasters will he of the game. I think newscasters will be pleased to hear to tell us that under those rules does Prime Minister that under those rules does Prime Minister netanyahu in the Iranian Regime Minister Netanyahu in the Iranian Regime emerge stronger as a result . Im talking regime emerge stronger as a result . Im talking in this twisted rule system im talking in this twisted rule system. Does it make it look like the prime system. Does it make it look like the Prime Minister netanyahu has successfully defended his country and does successfully defended his country and does it make you look look like the iranians and does it make you look look like the iranians for the first time has shown the iranians for the first time has shown they will move beyond proxy . First off, shown they will move beyond proxy . First off, since October The 7th the middle east, the hamas attacks on israel the middle east have been in new and uncharted waters. So old rules dont really apply. There were rules dont really apply. There were rules about the way israel and hamas every few years would go to war with each other. After a week or two thered be a truce. And there will be a deal within the truce about what to come into gaza and things like that. Anyway they were using the area as a boxing ring for each other own purposes at different times. Other own purposes at different times. ,. ,. , times. Irrespective of civilians. Thins times. Irrespective of civilians. Things have times. Irrespective of civilians. Things have changed times. Irrespective of civilians. Things have changed its times. Irrespective of civilians. | things have changed its october times. Irrespective of civilians. Things have changed its October The 7th and things have heated up steadily, steadily, steadily. I think the real worry is that there has been this slide towards a wider, eventually, hopefully not but perhaps all out war in the region. No one has really been able to stop the slide. Here is an optimistic scenario. The message coming out of the west, The Americans, the british and others, allies of israel to the israeli is pretty much as follows ive been talking to diplomats who can confirm all this and its widely talked about is you had a victory tonight, mr netanyahu. Leave it there. There was that attack, The Americans by all accounts do not know about the attack on damascus. The fact that using one of the aircraft they supplies to the israelis, they are meant to have a no surprises agreement between each other. It seems was not triggered on that occasion. But now less than two weeks later netanyahu is able to instead of the headline being about the differences between netanyahu and biden, as its been with gaza the headlines now are, the alliance, the headlines now are, the alliance, the coalition, technological superiority for the update through what they could at us and we whacked it back. Heres the question, was i wrong even set out to do real damage, [and a great Giant Haymaker on israels chen . Did damage, land a great Giant Haymaker on israels chen . On israels chen . Did it know that it would be on israels chen . Did it know that it would be shot on israels chen . Did it know that it would be shot down, on israels chen . Did it know that it would be shot down, in on israels chen . Did it know that it would be shot down, in other. It would be shot down, in other words . It would be shot down, in other words . ~. , � ~. , , words . We dont know. This is wild speculation words . We dont know. This is wild speculation. There words . We dont know. This is wild speculation. There is words . We dont know. This is wild speculation. There is a words . We dont know. This is wild speculation. There is a precedent, | speculation. There is a precedent, in january of speculation. There is a precedent, injanuary of 2000 leading iranian general who was the man who did more than anybody else to build up this web of alliances at the iranians of god, he was assassinated by The Americans in baghdad. And the retaliation that came from iran was very substantial attack on an american base in i wrong. But they show The Americans they were going to do it, basically, they said let it be known. So it happened the american soldiers and Service People were in shelters. While there were wounds and injuries no one was killed. And trump at the time the president drew a line under that. It might emerge in the coming days, how did they know so clearly The Americans what they look like was going to happen . Biden came back from camp david to be in washington, to be in the Situation Room when all of this was going on. How did the iraniansjust of this was going on. How did the iranians just let of this was going on. How did the iraniansjust let it of this was going on. How did the iranians just let it out somehow that they were going to do it now at this point . We dont know all of this. These are the kinds of things that go on in the background. Like eelin an that go on in the background. Like peeling an onion. Still a very sobering moment. Peeling an onion. Still a very sobering moment. Very sobering. Were talking sobering moment. Very sobering. Were talking about sobering moment. Very sobering. Were talking about the sobering moment. Very sobering. Were talking about the details, i were talking about the details, lets not minimise this, iran launched a retaliation for israels attack, a major attack on israeli soil. They did that because they classified the attack in damascus as effectively an attack on their soil because it was diplomatic. The israelis absolutely deny it was diplomatic. On your programme this morning, laura, you are there iranian government saying it was in iowa gc outpost. That iranian government saying it was in iowa gc outpost. Iowa gc outpost. That attack occurred in iowa gc outpost. That attack occurred in a iowa gc outpost. That attack occurred in a place iowa gc outpost. That attack occurred in a place that iowa gc outpost. That attack occurred in a place that wasl iowa gc outpost. That attack i occurred in a place that was not iowa gc outpost. That attack occurred in a place that was not in embassy, occurred in a place that was not in embassy, not a consulate. There was not any embassy, not a consulate. There was not any kind embassy, not a consulate. There was not any kind of diplomatic mission. It was not any kind of diplomatic mission. It was a not any kind of diplomatic mission. It was a military position. The people it was a military position. The people there were active members of the iranian people there were active members of the iranian forest. They are im sure the iranian forest. They are im sure seeking harm on israel. And all of this matter sure seeking harm on israel. And all of this matter so sure seeking harm on israel. And all of this matter so much sure seeking harm on israel. And all of this matter so much because sure seeking harm on israel. And all of this matter so much because itsl of this matter so much because its the first time that iran has done this directly to israel. In israel is that the pot to see part of the middle east, iran is a regime, which is not popular in his own country for the iranians are usually unhappy about that. You shouldnt forget that. �. About that. You shouldnt forget that. � ,. ,. , about that. You shouldnt forget that. � ,. ,. ,. , that. Its a brutal regime. They are not actina that. Its a brutal regime. They are not acting in that. Its a brutal regime. They are not acting in this that. Its a brutal regime. They are not acting in this way that. Its a brutal regime. They are not acting in this way because that. Its a brutal regime. They are not acting in this way because of. Not acting in this way because of demand. We should not confuse, when we talk about food in russia you should not talk, all russians are happy for them what we have to remember is following your commentary over the years, if you think about October The 6th iran was looking isolated due to the increasing Normalisation Momentum that was happening. With increasing Normalisation Momentum that was happening. That was happening. With the ossibili that was happening. With the possibility that that was happening. With the possibility that saudi that was happening. With the possibility that saudi arabia | that was happening. With the possibility that saudi arabia would normalise relationship. It seems no accident normalise relationship. It seems no accident by normalise relationship. It seems no accident by many that October The 7th launched by hamas, and i like proxy 7th launched by hamas, and i like proxy of 7th launched by hamas, and i like proxy of iran came at the time just exactly proxy of iran came at the time just exactly the proxy of iran came at the time just exactly the way there couldve been a move exactly the way there couldve been a move towards

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