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BBCNEWS Outside Source September 30, 2020

To ensure a more orderly discussion in debates to come. We will also update you on the discussion on the others doorstep. Well also update you on the esclating conflict on europes doorstep. Azerbaijan is refusing to end its military operations against armenia, as it demands full control of the Nagorno Karabakh region, and the human cost is mounting. And at the latest covid i9 briefing, the uks chief scientific adviser has warned we dont have this under control. If us president ial debates are about informing voters about policy and showing a watching world how democracy works, then what we saw last night was a failure. For 90 minutes, the pressure america is under was laid bare. Msnbc called it a dark event. Cnn called it a hot mess, inside a dumpster fire, inside a train wreck. The interruptions and insults cast such a shadow over proceedings so much so that the commission which organises them now says it will bring in new measures to to ensure a more orderly discussion of the issues in the next two debates. Well, in the coming minutes, were going to work through the key moments and the fallout from an infamous night starting with donald trump passing up the chance to condemn White Supremacists. Do you want to call them what do you want to call them . Give me a name, give me a name. White supremacists. Go ahead. Who would you like me to condemn . The proud boys, White Supremacists and. The proud boys, stand back and stand by. But i tell you what, ill tell you what, somebodys got to do something about antifa and the left. So he didnt address White Supremacy, but he did tell a far right group, the proud boys, to stand by. Well, hes now clarified. He says he has always denounced White Supremacists. And heres what he said about the proud boys. I dont know who the proud boys are. I mean, youll have to give me a definition because i dont really know who they are. I can only say, they need to stand down, let Law Enforcement do their work. Lets be clear, he didnt address White Supremacy when asked to join the debate ended refer to the boys. And did refer to the proud boys. Earlier, the Senate Republican leader Mitch Mcconnell was asked about the president s handling of this issue in the debate. He said the president condemns White Supremacists in the strongest possible way. Washington post columnist brian klaas sees it differently. Its not that he just didnt condemn it. It that he gave an instruction to this group, as though he was their leader. He said to stand by as though hes waiting for further instructions, if there is election related violence. So i think the intentions and the polarisation around the election are so great, and President Trumps language is so explosive, that im very worried about violence around the november elections. Joe biden was asked about those concerns today. Heres what he said. If in fact we win this election, this president will step down. Its a lot of bravado. He has no alternative. The American People will not stand for it, no agency would stand for that happening. My message to the proud boys and every other White Supremacist Group is, cease and desist. That is not who we are. This is not who we are as americans. If you dont know of the proud boys, this is a group that was founded in 2016. Its far right, anti immigrant, and all male. And there are strict membership protocols. In order to join, members have to declare that they are a western chauvinist who refuses to apologise for creating the modern world. Theyve become notorious for violent confrontations and have frequently faced off against opposition groups. Facebook, instagram, twitter and youtube have all banned the group. Facebook says it consideres it a hate organisation. They continue to use private social Media Channels like telegram and parler, where they are reportedly celebrating mr trumps refusal to condemn them. According to us media. The other group referenced in this segment of the debate was antifa. Thats short for anti fascist. Its not a Coherent Group and more a loose affiliation of mostly far left activists. And some antifa activists have a track record of using violence to make their point. They have been prominent during some black lives matter protests and have frequently clashed with opposing groups and police. To be clear, proud boys and antifa are relatively small a few thousand active supporters at most, some think even less. But their willingness to use violence means they get a lot of attention. So remarkably, one issue was the president refusing to condemn White Supremacy. The next issue is how Moderator Chris Wallace struggled to contain Donald Trumps continual interruptions. Heres one of many examples. Were moving on. He didnt take them. Mr president , no. Can i be honest . Try to be honest, its a good thing. No, he stood up, he stood up. No, the answers to the question is no. And he threatened ukraine with 1 billion. That is absolutely not true. You know what, youre not. Stop. Youre going to have. Hes on tape doing it. Not true. Gentlemen, i hate to raise my voice but it seems to be. Chris, hes on tape. I hate to raise my voice but why should i be different than the two of you . The country would be better served if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions. I am appealing to you, sir, to do that. Well, i am too. Well, frankly, you have been doing more interrupting than he has. Well, thats all right, but he does plenty. Well, sir, less than. Does plenty. Less than you have. Lets please continue on. It was always going to be difficult. One columnist for the new York Magazine tweeted. People are hating on Chris Wallace but i think there was no way to moderate this debate effectively. Anne applebaum of the atlantic argues that was intentional. She tweeted. The point of trumps performance in that debate was to undermine confidence in the election and in democracy itself. Mr trump himself has responded. Chris had a tough night. Two on one was not surprising, but fun. Two things of interest to note about Chris Wallace he is a registered democrat, but on the other hand, he works for a network, fox news, thats consistently supportive of the president. Well, as i mentioned earlier, the commission which runs these debates says the rules now need to be changed. In a statement, the commission on president ial debates said. Last nights debate made clear that additional structure should be added to the format of the remaining debates to ensure a more orderly discussion of the issues. Lets get further analysis from the bbcs Barbara Plett usher in dc. After the debate last night, commentators who finally looked visibly shocked said lets stop here, why would you want to make another one of these, what is the point ofmay have this commission saying yes, more structure is needed for orderly discussion, we are considering new tools and we were let you know shortly. They have called for things like the moderator being able to cut the might or to end the debate early if it gets out of hand but bear in mind that the next debate is going to be different formats, it is going to be a town hall format in which ordinary people ask questions, that might be a format which is less likely to be dominated by mr trump in this way because he did seem be very calculated about his barrage of insults and interruptions and so on, it did seem to be a tactic of disruption which even his own people said was too hot. Mr biden has said he is going to continue with these debates no matter what an impact he made quite a lot of money for his campaign during last nights debate so campaign during last nights debate so that at least is an incentive to keep going but you do wonder how many more people are going to keep tuning in at the commission doesnt come up with something that can actually bring order to this and make it a debate rather than a sort of fiasco. And, barbara, im losing count of the number of commentators who are either writing articles are going on tv or tweeting that this is no crisis in american democracy, what we saw last night, what we have seen more generally. We have been covering american politics for a long while. Do you think that is overstating it . Well, President Trump has been chipping away at the norms and institutions of democracy in the past four years but i would say that that has escalated in the last four months in the sense that he has begun to actively cast doubt on the democratic process itself so he has said that mail in voting will lead to massive fraud when there is no evidence that is the case, he has not committed himself to accepting the results of the election if he thinks that there is fraud. He is not even committed to a peaceful transition of power, which is bedrock stuffer democracy so i think the trajectory is alarming. Is alarming. Is democracy, right now, in crisis here . I would say at the very least the foundations of democracy in the us are being tested. Just quickly, how are we looking at the polls at the moment . Mr biden is still up, i assume . That have been a lot of numbers that he has had a very stable lead over President Trump for a while, in the single digits, between six and 10 and also the lead in western states as well. The feeling going into the debate was that mr trump was on the defensive and would need to shift attention away from himself was mr biden and his presumed weaknesses and that didnt happen as we have seen, it was very much centrestage in his destructive practice and some analysis were saying there was no winner therefore joe analysis were saying there was no winner thereforejoe biden analysis were saying there was no winner therefore joe biden is analysis were saying there was no winner thereforejoe biden is the winner thereforejoe biden is the winner because he is out in front. This is one of those moments when the world watches american democracy, and its fair to say a lot of people were unimpressed. Here are some front pages. In germany, der spiegel said the debate was a tv duel like a car accident. The state run chinese newspaper, the global times, called it the most chaotic president ial debate ever. And italian newspaper la repubblica declared that american politics had never sunk so low and that it was chaotic, rowdy and based on mutual contempt. Or you could read the times of london described is as was not a debate in any meaningful sense, but rather an ill tempered and at times incomprehensible squabble between two angry septua genarians who palpably loathe each other. Nick bryant from our Washington Bureau writes. When historians assess the self inflicted harm america did to its International Reputation in the early 21st century, the florida debacle will be on the list, guantanamo, abu ghraib and that first president ial debate. Watched the world over. Incalculable soft power damage. Donald trumps former National Security adviser, general hr mcmaster, spoke to bbc world news earlier, and said the deep divisions on show were harming america. Were acting like were oui own worst enemies. And so, as you allude to, russia in particular is trying to drag us down, trying to polarise all of our societies, pit us against each other, and really amplify these narrow identities in a way that reduces our confidence in who we are as a people and in our democratic principles and institutions, and processes. So all of our leaders, especially those on stage last night, they have to be a heck of a lot more responsible. Because i dont think they recognise the damage theyre doing and how easy they are making it for our determined adversaries. Moving away from the us and an update on covid i9 in the uk. Prime minister Boris Johnson is warning the government will not hesitate to bring in further restrictions if need be. Heres some of a press conference earlier. No matter how impatient we may be, how fed up that we may become, there is only one way of doing this and thats about showing a collective forbearance, common sense, and willingness to make sacrifices for the safety of others. The number of new cases is over 7,000 for a second day in a row, with a further 7,108 confirmed cases reported in the last 2a hours. For a second day, there were 71 deaths. And heres chief medical officer chris whitty warning that case numbers are going in the wrong direction. Theres a general increase across the whole of england. And the same is also true of scotland, wales, and northern ireland, with a few exceptions. But a very rapid increase in particular areas, again, particularly in the northeast and northwest, and areas in the midlands. For more analysis, heres our Political Editor laura kunessberg. This is a precarious moment for the country, and i think its a precarious moment for the government and its not the first time we have had these kind of warnings from the finest in recent days. It is only just over a fortnight since the rule of six was brought in to apply because cases were going up again. It is only a week since the Prime Minister sat at the desk in downing street and gave a very unusual address to the whole country, again, to one that we were in a serious moment, and i think the reason were hearing these kinds of warnings in pretty grave terms time and again is, of course, first and foremost, because there is real worry about the way the disease is spreading, but also because there is a concern about how much the public is really paying attention right now and whether or not there is an element of fatigue after six months of limits in our lives in some way, shape orform. Limits in our lives in some way, shape or form. On limits in our lives in some way, shape orform. On the limits in our lives in some way, shape or form. On the other elements are all of this is also the Prime Minister is working in a less forgiving, more hostile political environment. He certainly has that huge majority in parliament, but as we have seen in recent days, he is less a ble we have seen in recent days, he is less able to rely on support being comprehensive and being reliable for the things that he feels he may need to do in the coming weeks. Thanks to laura for that. Stay with us on outside source. Still to come protests are growing in india over the gang rape and death of a young woman, and how the police have handled the case. Well have the latest from bbc hindi. The World Health Organisation is pledging to investigate allegations from dozens of women that they were sexually abused by aid workers who were sent to the democratic republic of congo to tackle the Ebola Outbreak there. 51 women have accused staff from the who and other aid agencies in an investigation by the new humanitarian and the Thompson Reuters foundation. Heres Deputy Africa editor, anne soy, in nairobi. Ive been speaking to some people that i met when i covered the Ebola Outbreak in eastern drc and i am really surprised that, you know, they were telling me that they are not surprised that this has come out, so yes, clearly, this is something that was going on, this was something that was well known to those who were in those circles. It is shocking because it is coming just a few years the allegations, you know, the investigation in haiti about aid workers there and, you know, the meaty movement that followed, so it is really shocking that it could go on for so long and it could go on at this scale. This is outside source, live from the bbc newsroom. Our lead story is. President trump says far right groups should stand down and let Law Enforcement do their work, after he was criticised for telling one right wing group to stand by instead, during tuesdays president ial debate. Let me update you on the fighting between azerbaijan and armenia. This is over a breakaway region called Nagorno Karabakh and this escalation is into its fourth day. This video was released by azerbaijans ministry of defence showing artillery strikes on wednesday. Were told nearly a hundred people have been killed since sunday. Nagorno karabakh is a landlocked region inside azerbaijan. And even though its recognised internationally as azerbaijans territory it is controlled by ethnic armenians. The region declared independence in 1991 and has ruled itself since then with the support of the armenian government. That has been a major source of tension between these two former soviet republics. They fought a war in the late 19805 and the early 19905 over it. That eventually reached a ceasefire in 1994 which gave armenia full control of nagorno kara bakh and these surrounding enclaves you can see in darker yellow. And while there was a ceasefire crucially no formal peace treaty was reached. So this area is still disputed. And on sunday this happened. There was artillery fire and shelling on both sides. Armenia has accused azerbaijan of beginning a military operation inside the region azerbaijan contests this version of events. And this is an extraordinary situation. As the guardian reports we have a situation where we have trench warfare going on in europe more than 100 years after the first world wa r. In some areas the lines are so close they can hear and potentially talk to one another. Now, azerbaijan hasnt come out and reported any military losses. But we know it has suffered casualties. This pictures are from azerbaijani today. We believe this is the funeral of an azeri soldier. Who was killed in the fighting. This picture was also taken today. Its the aftermath of shelling inside an azerbaijani district neighbouring Nagorno Karabakh. You can see the damage for yourself. The bbcs gunel safa rova is close to the town of tartar where fighting broke out on sunday. Lets hear from her. Throughout the day i have heard standards artill

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