Picking for the opposition. This crisis is the inevitable result of 13 years crisis is the inevitable result of 13 years of crisis is the inevitable result of 13 years of cutting corners, botch jobs, 13 years of cutting corners, botch jobs, Sticking Plaster politics. And alleuedl , jobs, Sticking Plaster politics. And allegedly. A jobs, Sticking Plaster politics. fific allegedly, a westminster staffer arrested for spying for china. So we will ask this morning, while the uk bakes, how much more can go wrong when the Prime Minister is in the indian son . The man responsible forjailsjoins us. Can the Justice Secretary tell us how on earth Daniel Khalife escaped . The indian sun. Jonathan reynolds, whod be labours captain of industry, is live in the studio too. Jonathan reynolds, whod be labours captain of industry, is live in the studio too. And an exclusive interview from across the atlantic with this powerful duo the uk and the us most senior military men, admiral tony radakin and general mark milley, talk ukraine. Hello. With us on a busy weekend for news, just back from his own visit to ukraine, a national treasure, i think, stephen fry. Salma shah, an adviser whos seen plenty of government crises. And with impeccable timing, the Chief Insepctor of prisons, Charlie Taylor. No surprise lots of The Front Pages go on the escape and capture of daniel khalfe. Theres the independent. The canal path in west london where he was found. The Mail On Sunday has clues about how they claim spooks tracked him down. The mirror says hed bragged that he would escape. And a picture of the terrible earthquake in morocco. We can show you some of the latest pictures of whats happening there. These are prone images of some of the attempt to rescue people from the attempt to rescue people from the rubble, an appalling situation unfolding drone images. And whats getting a lot of tongues wagging this morning . Last, The Front Page of the sunday times, an extraordinay story. A house of Comons Staffer has been arrested on suspicion of spying for the chinese. Lets kick off with that. You worked in the home office among other departments, salma, what will be going on in government now that we know this . The going on in government now that we know this . ,. , know this . The particulars of the story about know this . The particulars of the story about this know this . The particulars of the story about this parliamentary i story about this parliamentary researcher having influence or relationships with ministers with classified information, so they have not already classified information, so they have not already been part of the investigation that led to his arrest. 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In terms of diplomacy with china, people in terms of diplomacy with china, people are in terms of diplomacy with china, people are talking about this being an escalation, so the diplomats will have to an escalation, so the diplomats will have to do an escalation, so the diplomats will have to do a an escalation, so the diplomats will have to do a lot of work to understand that, in terms of the seriousness of this researcher, it is not seriousness of this researcher, it is not about seriousness of this researcher, it is not about exposing secrets as far as we is not about exposing secrets as far as we can is not about exposing secrets as far as we can tell at this point. The prominister as we can tell at this point. The prominister says as we can tell at this point. Tue pro minister says this as we can tell at this point. Tte pro minister says this has been raised at the g20 summit this morning. Lets talk about the biggest story of the week. The Prime Minister. The escape from prison by Daniel Khalife. Stephen, you spent some time in prison as a teenager, and have since volunteered at a deal, what is it like . It is teenager, and have since volunteered at a deal, what is it like . At a deal, what is it like . It is a su ualid at a deal, what is it like . It is a squalid place. At a deal, what is it like . It is a squalid place, not at a deal, what is it like . It is a squalid place, not very at a deal, what is it like . It is a squalid place, not very happy. L at a deal, what is it like . It is aj squalid place, not very happy. I went in to help with dab radio station, which is very well done, and there are other things that come in from the outside, Theatre Productions and so on. They are all charming efforts to raise the sort of Happiness Levels of very unhappy people. But it is crowded, all of london prisons are a very crowded, pentonville was built for 500 and has Something Like 1200 now. It is a pretty grim situation. 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And what we found him expected inspected wandsworth, even worse l inspected wandsworth, even worse at weekends inspected wandsworth, even worse at weekends hie inspected wandsworth, even worse at weekends. ~. ,. ,. , weekends. We will get into that in a cou le weekends. We will get into that in a coule of weekends. We will get into that in a couple of minutes weekends. We will get into that in a couple of minutes with weekends. We will get into that in a couple of minutes with the weekends. We will get into that in a couple of minutes with the justice i couple of minutes with theJustice Secretary. Lets remind ourselves, Daniel Khalife has been caught, but how on earth did he escape . This drama has opened up an argument about exactly what is going on in the whole prison system. Manyjails in england and wales are full to bursting, 61 up to full according to the governments and figures. Star shortfalls continue to have a devastating effect. Despite recent however, there are still 10 fewer officers than in 2010. We new Justice Secretary is the man charged with fixing all of this, alex chalk, welcome to the studio for the first time. We cannot talk about Daniel Khalifes alleged crimes but we can talk about wandsworth prison. Whether enough staff on duty the day he escape . Whether enough staff on duty the day he esca e . , whether enough staff on duty the day he escae . ,. ,. ,. , he escape . Firstly i want to thank the metropolitan he escape . Firstly i want to thank the Metropolitan Police he escape . Firstly i want to thank the metropolitan Police Forces he escape . Firstly i want to thank the metropolitan Police Forces in l the metropolitan Police Forces in hand. I also want to stress that these are very rare events. When it came to light, i initiated two investigations, an investigation first into the circumstances of his escape but also the issue of categorisation. But i also asked for an independent investigation so that when we get those conclusions they will be rock solid. I am able to see that it will be rock solid. I am able to see thatitis will be rock solid. I am able to see that it is clear that the relevant Security Protocols are in place, in other words protocols about the headcount that must be made after goods are unloaded from a lottery, for example, about the searches that should stick close to a vehicle before it goes through the airlock and police. Those protocols were in place, second to your specific question, the relevant Security Staff were in place. So question, the relevant Security Staff were in place. Question, the relevant Security Staff were in place. So there were enou h staff were in place. So there were enough staff. Staff were in place. So there were enough staff, they staff were in place. So there were enough staff, they did staff were in place. So there were enough staff, they did follow staff were in place. So there were enough staff, they did follow all. Staff were in place. So there were | enough staff, they did follow all of the rules including a vehicle searches . The rules including a vehicle searches . , searches . This is the point. The real question searches . This is the point. The Real Question Is, searches . This is the point. The Real Question Is, were searches . This is the point. The Real Question Is, were the Real Question Is, were the relevant protocols followed to the extent they should be . That is precisely we need this investigation to get to the bottom off, because this clearly was a very serious matter, very rare, much rarerthan was a very serious matter, very rare, much rarer than 20 years or so ago, but we have to get to the bottom of it, and those investigations are in place. But we know that very investigations are in place. But we know that very regular investigations are in place. But we know that very regular basis, investigations are in place. But we| know that very regular basis, there were not enough staff and once with gill, a recent report said that actually, more than 30 of Prison Officers were either absent or unable to work. Staffing has been a huge issue. The unable to work. Staffing has been a huge issue huge issue. The numbers are ticking u , huge issue. The numbers are ticking u, it is huge issue. The numbers are ticking up. It is worth huge issue. The numbers are ticking up, it is worth reflecting huge issue. The numbers are ticking up, it is worth reflecting an up, it is worth reflecting an additional 4000 or so since 2016. Hang on, it is still down since 2010, that is a real falloff, hang on, it is still down since 2010, that is a realfalloff, and in recent years it has started to take up, lets make that completely clear. ,. ,. ,. , clear. You are right, and i want to do with this clear. You are right, and i want to do with this point do with this point very specifically. Since may 2022, the numbers have gone up by 700 in that time, but heres the really important point, the so called attrition rate, the rate at which Prison Officers leave, is down by a very meaningful amount, because we have done really important thing is to address that. The Prison Service pay Review Body Recommendations have been permitted. We have also invested £100 million to improve security, every Prison Officer having body cameras, which is important because in potentially volatile situations, you can dial down the temperature and ensure that what might have escalated de escalates, is to view our Prison Officers who do an exceptional job. Officers who do an exceptional ob. � � , officers who do an exceptional ob. � v. ~ officers who do an exceptional ob. � � ,. ,. , job. But lets talk about wandsworth job. But lets talk about Wandsworth On job. But lets talk about Wandsworth On that job. But lets talk about Wandsworth On that day. | job. 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