To answer that question, is the Energy SecretaryClaire Coutinho and for labour, shadow justice secretary Shabana Mahmood. Hello to you both over there. Theyll both hear how the boss of the governments climate watchdog, chris stark, thinks theyre all in fear. Its London Marathon day so were on bbc two but you might recognise some of the runners how come laura. Just getting ready for the marathon. It will be quite a tough one, maybe not quite some as tough one, maybe not quite some as tough as all the questions you ask way. And with me at the desk, eco warrior and broadcaster Chris Packham layla moran, liberal Democrat Foreign Affairs spokesperson, and businessman lukejohnson former chair of Pizza Express and channel 4, now chairman of gails the bakery chain. Lets start with whats in the news. On our theme today, the Sunday People Sastust stop oil are planning to wreck Holiday Plans by storming airports this summer. The observers splashes with labour shifting to target pensioners trying to stir it up after the tories said they want to get rid of National Insurance over time. The mail has more on the story of angela rayner� s house sale, claiming a key document has been found. The sunday times carries on its Campaign Forjustice for those caught up in the Infected Blood Scandal but has more on a Building Story, calls for the boss of the met to resign after an officer told a jewish man to stay away from a pro palestinian march. And the bbc website this morning leads on the vote in congress yesterday finally approving the 61 billion aid package for ukraine. There is a mixed bag in the news this morning, all three of you, and we will talk look about Climate Change today but we have heard stories about sleaze in westminster continued to dominate whether the behaviour of tory mps continued to dominate whether the behaviour of tory mp5 or the ongoing rumblings around angela rayner. Chris, detailing what feels like an Election Campaign already that politicians are actually able to concentrate on big issues . I politicians are actually able to concentrate on big issues . I dont think they are. Concentrate on big issues . I dont think they are. I concentrate on big issues . I dont think they are. Ithink concentrate on big issues . I dont think they are. I think they concentrate on big issues . I dont think they are. I think they are think they are. I think they are preoccupied typically with a short termism. That isnt prevalentjust in the Election Campaign, when it comes to addressing the Climate Breakdown and biodiversity loss, it is prevalent much of the time. It isnt an issue that can be solved in five year terms of office. They have to think Bigger Picture and longer term and serious investment now. That is what gives us concern. Irate that is what gives us concern. We will be talking to Claire Coutinho at the moment and hearing from chris stark but layla moran, the accusation there is that you are preoccupied with your own business. It is not as i would say. The sleaze stuff it is not as i would say. The Sleaze Stuff Plays it is not as i would say. The Sleaze Stuff Plays in because if someone is suspended stuff plays in because if someone is suspended minister and they are replaced suspended minister and they are replaced and there is a Merry Go Round of who gets what role. Merry go round of who gets what role. I Merry Go Round of who gets what role. I am Merry Go Round of who gets what role. I am learning every time a new minister role. I am learning every time a new minister comes in you have to rebrief minister comes in you have to re brief them on your campaign and this is re brief them on your campaign and this is a re brief them on your campaign and this is a massive thing for my constituents. I have brought a ieiter constituents. 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Certainly for businesses it is a big cost coming down the track so we will raise all theseissues down the track so we will raise all these issues with continue in a few minutes, the energy and net zero secretary but first we will hear from someone else whose subject this is. Now most of our politicians are fond of telling us how important it is to tackle Climate Change. Last year was the hottest on record globally, here were becoming used to seeing wilder weather battering our own shores. British holidaymakers even got stranded by floods in the desert city of dubai just this week. But in the last few six months, well, politicians theyve gone a bit wobbly on their own promises. On thursday, the snp ditched its 2030 emissions goal. Labour has also ditched its pledge to invest £28 billion each year on green energy. And the Prime Ministers big pitch to you in the autumn was to delay some of the governments plans to go green. Heres the rub. It is the law, that the uk has to hit its net zero target by 2050 in other words, to remove as much carbon from the air as gets pumped into it. Of course that means because potentially for businesses and consumers. And the man whose job it is to check up on politicians progress is chris stark, the boss of the Climate Change committee. I met him at the new green Energy Exhibit at the Science Museum in london, and fair to say, he is less than impressed. Let me say from the off that the country has done a lot to reduce Greenhouse Gas emissions, the thing that was when a change. But in our view that it is in the past. We are looking into the future at the things that need to be done if we want to finish the job of getting to the goal of net zero, including some very difficult topics like how we heat homes for how we deal with the industrial emissions in this country, what we do with farming, transport systems. It is in those other areas that we see the gap and that gap is what we refer to when we talk about the lack of leadership. We need to see stronger policy in other areas despite the fact other parts of the world are playing catch up with you kate. The risk of uk we will lose the race just at the point when you want to be at the head of that. The point when you want to be at the head of that point when you want to be at the head of that. The premise ditched some of the head of that. The premise ditched some of the measures head of that. The premise ditched some of the measures and head of that. The premise ditched some of the measures and slow. Head of that. The premise ditched some of the measures and slow down what you have been talking about in the autumn. What was your honest reaction . It the autumn. What was your honest reaction . , , the autumn. What was your honest reaction . , ,. , reaction . It was presented to the count is reaction . It was presented to the country is a reaction . It was presented to the country is a step reaction . It was presented to the country is a step back reaction . It was presented to the country is a step back from reaction . It was presented to the country is a step back from going| country is a step back from going too fast on this transition and in the speech itself he talked about the speech itself he talked about the need to reappraise lots of the steps that take us to net zero. My honest answer to that is it set us back. I think we have moved from a position where we were really at the forefront pushing ahead as quickly as we could on something i believed to be fundamental to the uk economy, beneficial to the People Living in this country, whether you care about the planet were not and we are now in a position where we are trying to recover ground and one example of that, the diplomatic impact of that has been immense. We have lots of contacts with other countries around the world. It doesnt matter that there were detailed policies within that speech that you could say were very much in line with net zero. The overall message of the world took from it is that the uk is less ambitious and climate than it once was and that is extremely hard to recover from. Was and that is extremely hard to recoverfrom. The was and that is extremely hard to recover from. The trouble was and that is extremely hard to recoverfrom. The trouble is was and that is extremely hard to recover from. The trouble is the rhetoric from this has definitely changed recently. De rhetoric from this has definitely changed recently. Rhetoric from this has definitely changed recently. De think climate chance is changed recently. De think Climate Change is absolutely changed recently. De think Climate Change is absolutely a changed recently. De think Climate Change is absolutely a Personal Change is absolutely a personal priority for the Prime Minister and you think rishi sunak cares about this very much . I you think rishi sunak cares about this very much . This very much . I take him on his word. He said this very much . I take him on his word. He said it this very much . I take him on his word. He said it was this very much . I take him on his word. He said it was a this very much . I take him on his word. He said it was a personal i word. He said it was a personal priority and made the switch in Downing Street where he made that very point but i think he has not clearly made it as much of a priority as some of his predecessors did. Certainly borisjohnson. And theresa may was the Prime Minister that put net zero interlock. I would prefer a course to see the head of the government really take a Leadership Position on it because every other bit of government feels the pressure to then act on that and thatis the pressure to then act on that and that is when the good stuff starts to happen. That is when the good stuff starts to ha en. � that is when the good stuff starts to ha en. That is when the good stuff starts to hauen. ,. , that is when the good stuff starts tohauen. �. ,. , to happen. And that is not happening riaht to happen. And that is not happening ri. Ht t to happen. And that is not happening riuhtt in to happen. And that is not happening right try in your to happen. And that is not happening right try in your view. To happen. And that is not happening right try in your view. It to happen. And that is not happening right try in your view. It certainly right try in your view. It certainly feels more right try in your view. It certainly feels more difficult right try in your view. It certainly feels more difficult now. Right try in your view. It certainly feels more difficult now. In right try in your view. It certainly feels more difficult now. In the l feels more difficult now. In the Civil Service certainly. The machine is producing lots of policy but it is producing lots of policy but it is isnt clear how that should be presented to the public. That could really do with some clarification. Labour also has been attacked by some on their own side for not being ambitious enough, ditching their 28 billion target of spending on green projects. Do you think also keir starmer should be older on this agenda . I starmer should be older on this arenda . , starmer should be older on this arenda . Starmer should be older on this arenda . ,. ,. ,. Agenda . I do. You regularly hear ed miliband talk agenda . I