36 conservative rebels are backing an amendment to the Online Safety bill that would impose Prison Sentences on Social Media Bosses who fail to uphold child safety. Tonight with the context, jennifer carroll, who served as a republican Lieutenant Governor of florida, and lord peter ricketts, former uk ambassador to paris and National Security adviser. Warm welcome to the programme. On monday, the white house revealed that back in november just before the midterms a batch of highly classified documents were discovered among joe biden� s personalfiles, in an office he had used after serving as the Vice President. We were told the documents were immediately handed to the federal authorities. But now we learn that in december, they found a second batch, not in an office, not in a locked cupboard, but in his garage in wilmington. This morning, the president was touting improved figures on inflation. There was incredulity in the room and not in relations to the improving economic picture. Classified material next to your corvette . What were you thinking . Let me. Im going to get a chance to speak on all of this, god willing, soon, but as i said earlier this week. And by the way, my corvettes in a locked garage, 0k . So its not like theyre sitting out on the street. So the material was in a locked garage . Yes, as well as my corvette. But as i said earlier this week, people know i take classified documents and Classified Material seriously. I also said were cooperating fully and completely with the justice departments review. There are a lot of unanswered questions. The us attorney in chicago is investigating. What were these documents, how secret, how safely were they stored . We know that among the files found in dc was secret information pertaining to the uk. And why did the white house fail to disclose this problem back in november, or indeed on monday, when the reports of the first batch came to light . It is a new opening for the Republican House majority, who are poised to investigate democrats. I think congress has to investigate this. Heres an individual thats been in office for more than a0 years, heres an individual that sat on 60 minutes, that was so concerned about President Trumps documents locked, and now we find him, just as a Vice President , keeping it for years out in the open in different locations. And it puts the Attorney General in a very awkward position. Under the regulations, the extraordinary circumstances here require the appointment of a Special Counsel for this matter. This Appointment Underscores for the public the departments commitment to both independence and accountability in particularly sensitive matters and to making decisions indisputably guided only by the facts and the law. The Attorney General merrick garland. Lets bring in thomas dupree. Hes a former us Deputy AssistantAttorney General. You are very welcome to the programme. 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I think it was an excellent choice by the Attorney General to put someone of robs calibre in this role, and to your point, it seems like Here We Go Again it seems like not a month goes by in Thejustice Department and washington, dc where we dont have any Special Counsel appointed to investigate some sort of wrongdoing. Yeah, indeed so. President biden says he is cooperating. He says the documents that were discovered were medially flagged to be federal authorities and handed over. Obviously that did not happen with donald trump. His lawyers obfuscated, they lied about documents at mar a lago and they obstruct to the discovery of those documents, but the bottom line here is Thatjoe Biden was nonetheless holding onto classified documents as a private citizen. So what are the criminal implications of that . I criminal implications of that . I think you put your vera lynn i dissipate will be the president positive primary line of defence, that the moment he learned these document are being stored improperly and in an unlawful place, he medially reported it and is fully cooperating Yourfinger Medially reported it and is fully cooperating your finger on the president s. The Distention May be lost on a lot of the American Public, who basically ca double standard, that on one hand President Biden was criticising form President Trump reporting these classified documents, after he was no longer president , but at the same time President Biden had kind of done the same thing himself. You President Biden had kind of done the same thing himself. Same thing himself. You said a little earlier, same thing himself. You said a little earlier, here same thing himself. You said a little earlier, here we same thing himself. You said a little earlier, here we go same thing himself. You said a| little earlier, Here We Go Again, and it is not the first time that an official, a senior official, has fallen afoul of this. Hillary clinton, joe biden, donald trump. When it comes to classified information, they are supposed to be a sheer clean of custody, so why does it not work . It a sheer clean of custody, so why does it not work . Does it not work . It boggles the mind how this does it not work . It boggles the mind how this seems does it not work . It boggles the mind how this seems to does it not work . It boggles the mind how this seems to come i does it not work . It boggles the | mind how this seems to come up does it not work . It boggles the mind how this seems to come up again and again and again, and it almost inevitably seems to involve people who really should know better, people at the highest levels of government, who are very familiar with the restrictions placed on the trip and of classified information, and yet they seem to run afoul of the rules on a regular basis. There is supposed to be Chain Of Custody. No one should ever lose track of where a classified document is located. In some cases, it could be another agency in our government, national archives, which is sometimes the agency that sounds the alarm, when they look at their list of classified documents that they are supposed to possess and the relays that some are missing from the list and indonesia looking for them. ~. The list and indonesia looking for them. The list and indonesia looking for them. ,. ,. ,. , them. What are the arguments one ofthe them. What are the arguments one of the arguments them. What are the arguments one of the arguments donald them. What are the arguments one of the arguments donald trump them. What are the arguments one of the arguments donald trump and i of the arguments donald trump and his legal team them up with is he had declassified the documents can he was president and believed he had the ability to do that. That is to be adjudicated. The Differencesjoe Biden was Vice President. He did not have the power to do that. Does that make joe have the power to do that. Does that makejoe bidens position more tenuous . Make joe bidens position more tenuous . , ~. ,. , � ~ make joe bidens position more tenuous . , ~. ,. , �. , tenuous . You know, i dont think so. I do not think tenuous . You know, i dont think so. I do not think donald tenuous . You know, i dont think so. I do not think Donald Trumps i do not think Donald Trumps argument carries a lot of weight, although it is true president scanty classified document, there is a procedure they have to follow up which i am not confident was followed in the case of President Trump. One of the argument is twofold, one is that the scale was smaller than donald trump. In this case, it appears to be a smaller document amount than the ones that President Trump took, and number two, by your point about President Biden cooperating, it was an inadvertent error and a fully cooperated the moment they learned of it, which, again, he will try and draw a contrast with the former president s handling. Draw a contrast with the former president s handling. Lets bring in jennifer carroll, president s handling. Lets bring in jennifer carroll, who president s handling. Lets bring in jennifer carroll, who is president s handling. Lets bring in jennifer carroll, who is a jennifer carroll, who is a republican. Does this appointment disarm some of the political criticism republicans have had for the white house and the doj . It would not disarm them, but it would ive would not disarm them, but it would give the would not disarm them, but it would give the white house cover particularly the Press Secretary cover, particularly the Press Secretary cover, that she cannot answer any of the questions considering the council the questions considering the council has been appointed. But i want council has been appointed. But i want to council has been appointed. But i want to advise you that this is a tranche want to advise you that this is a tranche of classified documents that has been tranche of classified documents that has been discovered because it was at the has been discovered because it was at the penn has been discovered because it was at the penn centre, the first discovery, Second Discovery was at his home discovery, Second Discovery was at his home in discovery, Second Discovery was at his home in delaware, and then the third in his home in delaware, and then the third in his his home in delaware, and then the third in his office, and then the third third in his office, and then the third discovery was in his garage. The question lends itself that, who did he the question lends itself that, who did he request authority to remove the documents that were classified . What was the documents that were classified . What was the Chain Of Custody . Who had access what was the Chain Of Custody . Who had access to seeing these documents . And how come we have not seen or documents . And how come we have not seen or gotten a laundry list, like we did seen or gotten a laundry list, like we did on seen or gotten a laundry list, like we did on the President Trump, as to what exactly we did on the President Trump, as to what exactly these documents are . Additionally, why were his attorneys going additionally, why were his attorneys going through his office, as well as his home going through his office, as well as his home to going through his office, as well as his home to gather documentation . Was somebody alerted that somebody. Did it fall into the wrong somebody. Did it fall into the wrong hands . And these are questions that should wrong hands . And these are questions that should be answered by the white house that should be answered by the white house now, because what it is going to do house now, because what it is going to do is house now, because what it is going to do is fester and a lot of rumours and accusations as to the real intent was under the, what do you call it. Intent was under the, what do you call it. Them intent was under the, what do you call it, the. The pen biden centre. Call it, the. The pen biden centre, with all the money that was coming centre, with all the money that was coming from china, what did it go to . Giving coming from china, what did it go to . Giving Policy Guidance in this centre to . Giving Policy Guidance in this centre the to . Giving Policy Guidance in this centre. The American Public is going to be centre. The American Public is going to be more centre. The American Public is going to be more alerted now because of what happened at mar a lago. Do what happened at maralago. Do ou what happened at mar a lago. You accept the what happened at mar a lago. Drr you accept the distinction . There were boxes and boxes of classified documents and mar a lago that donald trump wanted to hang onto. The president has said, i was surprised to learn they were there, and these ten documents, they were mixed up in plans for bo bidens funeral, a condolence letters. It seems as if they are gathered up and sucked in a file and he did not know they were there. What you accept that ex clinician . , there. What you accept that ex clinician . ,. , clinician . That is even more concerning clinician . That is even more concerning. As clinician . That is even more concerning. As a clinician . That is even more concerning. As a former clinician . That is even more concerning. As a former Military Person concerning. As a former Military Person that hold held a top secret person that hold held a top secret clearance, we held a strict adherence secret clearance, we held a strict adherence as to how we would handle classified adherence as to how we would handle classified documents. Once i left the military and retired, my clearance the military and retired, my clearance left the day i left, so therefore clearance left the day i left, so therefore i could not to conduct mentation that had classified or any other mentation that had classified or any other top secret identifications on them, other top secret identifications on them, and other top secret identifications on them, and he is a Vice President had no authority them, and he is a Vice President had no authority to take it with him, but today no authority to take it with him, but today in a briefing at the white house, but today in a briefing at the white house, he but today in a briefing at the white house, he said, or his handlers said, house, he said, or his handlers said. That house, he said, or his handlers said, that he misplaced the documents. That is a very different take than documents. That is a very different take than what we had, that he did not know take than what we had, that he did not know it take than what we had, that he did not know it was there, and now it is an admittance that the documents were misplaced, so a lot of questions still need to be answered. Petei, questions still need to be answered. Peter, jennifer is absolutely right. If you as the former National Security adviser had taken home some documents and we found them in your home several years later, you would be in a lot of trouble. Be in a lot of trouble. Yeah, i would be be in a lot of trouble. Yeah, i would be in be in a lot of trouble. Yeah, i would be in a be in a lot of trouble. Yeah, i would be in a lot of be in a lot of trouble. Yeah, i would be in a lot of trouble. L be in a lot of trouble. Yeah, i would be in a lot of trouble. I would would be in a lot of trouble. I would probably would be in a lot of trouble. I would probably be would be in a lot of trouble. 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