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BBCNEWS The Papers September 13, 2020

Because of the pandemic. Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. With me arejoe twyman the co founder and director of deltapoll uk and the broadcaster, Yasmin Alibhai brown. Hello to both of you. First, a quick look through tomorrows front pages. Final virus warning a sombre headline on the frontpage of the mirror, with medics warning that a new coronavirus peak is inevitable within the coming months if improvements arent made to the track and trace system. Meanwhile the paper says ministers are considering telling 4. 5 Million People to shield. The independent says the partys over with a picture of revellers on the streets of soho ahead of a new lan banning gatherings of more than six from tomorrow. Meanwhile, on the metro, the tale of a student who was fined £10,000 for organising a party that broke existing covid rules he says he invited 25 people but its reported that more than 50 partygoers turned up to the house in lenton, nottingham. Gps are being told that they must see patients face to face. Reports the front page of the telegraph. The paper says a letter to every gp in the country, following growing concern that too many patients are shut out from surgeries. 0n the front page of the daily mail, figures showing the impact of the pandemic on hospital admissions with reports that during lockdown, admissionns for seven major illnesses were down by 173,000 compared to the same time last year. For cancer alone, admissions were down by 137,000. Elsewhere, thethe Financial Times reports that bp is warning that Global Oil Demand could peak within the next few years, signalling a decline in the fossil fuel era earlier than anticipated. 0k, ok, so lets start our chat. Joe, yasmin, lovely to see you both. I was wondering if you could pick us kick us off with the front page of the guardian, the showdown for tomorrow morning. Was it me orjoe . The showdown for tomorrow morning. Was it me orjoe . Yourself, yasmin. The guardian front page, the big story on sunday has been this build up, i suppose, story on sunday has been this build up, isuppose, of story on sunday has been this build up, i suppose, of whats going to happen with the brexit bill and the guardian is kind of picking up the guardian is kind of picking up the story that there is internal dissent now, internal to the tory party, the justice dissent now, internal to the tory party, thejustice secretary dissent now, internal to the tory party, the justice secretary was dissent now, internal to the tory party, thejustice secretary was on the andrew mar show saying at one point thats, you know, if it reaches a point, he is a lawyer, where he is a lawyer cannot supports the breaking of International Law, then he would resign. He said that quite reluctantly, but nevertheless, there is a kind of growing despair, i think among borisjohnson supporters, but here is my prediction. It will be all right on the night for Boris Johnson. Prediction. It will be all right on the night for borisjohnson. It a lwa ys the night for borisjohnson. It always is. Joe, would you agree with that . Well, i think with the majority of 80, you have to have quite significant backbench dissent and then backbench rebellion for it to actually make a difference, so to a degree, i think this bill will pass, but i think this is really only the beginning of the difficulties that we have around brexit. Already we have seen over this weekend both sides blaming one another, both sides accusing the other of misleading the public. This is going to get extremely messy over the next few weeks and months, and there is no guarantee as things stand at the moment that the outcome will be a positive one for anybody who is involved. Quite how the public then responds to that will be an extremely interesting question, because what we are seeing so far is that your view of this whole situation, if indeed you have a view, which most people probably dont, if you do have a view, its very much influenced by your view on exit generally, and brexiters generally speaking are in favour of what the government is doing and those that wish to remain are against it, but having said thats, we have had, tonight, for instance, people like geoffrey cox, the former attorney general and former brexiteer who said that he would abstain in this bill. Of course, abstaining is one think im actually voting against it as another, and as i say if youve got another majority of 80 community a lot of people to vote against it. We will stay with the brexit bill enter into the front page of the this obviously following the commons made by thejustice secretary earlier today on the andrew mar show, saying that he will quit if there is an unacceptable breach of International Law. What do you think unacceptable would look like, yasmin . You knowl dont know. He isa like, yasmin . You knowl dont know. He is a lawyer, swear to abide by the rule of law as did several others, as did our attorney general, andi others, as did our attorney general, and i dont know whether one can set 1s own definitions of what is a cce pta ble 1s own definitions of what is acceptable if you are a qualified barrister. You know, you cannot trim the law to suit a political purpose. Soi the law to suit a political purpose. So i dont know. He will get onside. Of course, he will. But i think what a lot of people in the lords and of course people likejohn major, even Michael Howard who is quite a rabid brexiteer have expressed unease about office. Its not about brexit any more, i think this is about how far british people are willing to let their ancient democracy and its pillars be crashed, trashed. Thats what were talking about here now. Yasmin commutes on very resigned over the. I am. I am. Yasmin commutes on very resigned over the. Lam. Iam. Well yasmin commutes on very resigned over the. I am. I am. Well done for picking it up. Ifeel we over the. I am. I am. Well done for picking it up. I feel we are, over the. I am. I am. Well done for picking it up. Ifeel we are, you know, the brexit thing is almost a sideshow that the judiciary, the rule of law, you know, the media, everything that maintains a democracy is now just everything that maintains a democracy is nowjust being kicked aside. We will not recognise this countrys system in ten years time, and that really breaks my heart. Echo to come i will put a spin on this, a lot of people have compared the strategy taken by borisjohnson with that going on across the atla ntic with that going on across the atlantic and that of president trump, you think he has learned lessons there and hes just going through whatever he wants . Sorry, could i just put through whatever he wants . Sorry, could ijust put that through whatever he wants . Sorry, could i just put that to joe, sorry. I would say that that is one interpretation, but i think its inevitably more complicated than that, what would they talk about if it was an unacceptable breach of International Law, but he hasnt justified what would be an a cce pta ble justified what would be an acceptable breach. In the united states, donald trump tore up the International Act regarding iranian sanctions and the whole Nuclear Weapons treaty, was thats an a cce pta ble weapons treaty, was thats an acceptable or unacceptable breach in Robert Bucklands eyes, we dont know, but donald trump certainly thinks it was reasonable. 0f know, but donald trump certainly thinks it was reasonable. Of course, its worth pointing out that negotiations are never presented as easy. I think if its got to the la st easy. I think if its got to the last minute in december and everyone decided that this has been a relatively straightforward process, fio relatively straightforward process, no one would have gone home happy. Its in everyones interest, but particularly in the interest of borisjohnson and particularly in the interest of Boris Johnson and his administration to make these negotiations look as difficult as possible, and in turn, to make him and his team look as strong as possible that is in their interest. They want people to perceive them in that way, even if that isnt the reality. That is what they are searching to do. It would not surprise me if this whole thing is simply another particular stage of this game over brexit that weve been playing now for so long that point we will stick with your line there about reality, and still on there about reality, and still on the front page of the daily a hard reality for some withjob the front page of the daily a hard reality for some with job losses that could be the highest since the 90s. Yes, i think the Economic Cost, i think we are already come i was talking to some economists thats, you know, we are already in the beginnings of a recession and the furlough scheme couldnt carry on forever. The Economic Cost and the job losses and what that will lead us job losses and what that will lead us to is i cant predict, i cant predict. We are entering the most chaotic historical period since the second world war, and im not sure we have a government thats capable of getting us through it. Im not sure none of us know whats going to happen. They certainly dont. They are asjoe said, playing some kind of sophisticated game. Its unforgivable, really. Joe . The knock on consequences of unforgivable, really. Joe . The knock on consequences of covid 19 are really only beginning to be felt, really only beginning to be felt, really up until this point, a lot of concentration has been played to the health impacts, how many people are being admitted to hospitals, how many people are losing their lives . Of course, the longer term consequences of of course, the longer term consequences of which the economy is just one part are only starting to be felt. Every Government Department really is going to be in turmoil over the next few months, and potentially the next few years dealing with the knock on effects of this. We have seen the Justice Department for instance have a huge backlog of legal cases that need to be dealt with and cant be because of the crisis. We are seeing reports of the crisis. We are seeing reports of the crisis. We are seeing reports of the department of health and gps having trouble seeing patients face to face and also the number of people being admitted for serious illnesses that arent covid related dropping through the floor compared to last year, and we only last month saw the impact of covid on the education system. The trouble with exam results for this year may be out of the way, but in 12 months time, we are going to have the same problem as people who potentially have missed out on half of their a levels come to set their exams. How the Government Departments deal with this is going to be extraordinarily difficult because there are no easy answers. 0k, slightly running out of time, but you have brought up covid, the front page of the daily mirror talks about a final virus worry so you might warning and heading into a second peak in the coming months if you dont sort out the test and trace, the Prime Minister starting up a system, but if we look at the front page of the daily mail, if you could head to that, yasmin, revealed, locked on blow to uk health. There are loads of things going on, but one thing has to be said, that testing and tracking promised world beating, do you remember . We are going to be world meeting, has been a catastrophic failure. It is such a failure we should feel ashamed as a country, and the daily mail says there is a backlog of all the other serious illnesses that require treatment and has been denied or delayed for a very long time, including you know, cancer, heart problems and so on. Will the National Health service be able to cope with the second peak, which many doctors i think a survey shows a huge number of doctors predicting this backlog. Its an unimaginable scenario for the National Health service. Yes, im going to take you to the front page of the express, please, joe. This front page, linked with what we were just talking about, lives at risk in Cancer Research cash crisis. These warnings have been sounding for months, havent they . Yes, thats right. Charities across the board, not just medical charities, but all different types of cherries have faced a real Funding Crisis as a result of a drop in donations since the covid crisis began among cancer uk research workers, they could be losing up to 4000 researchers that need to take place. Impact of that is enormous, 137,000 fewer people have admitted themselves for Cancer Treatment this year compared to last year because of covid. So the knock on impact of all of this whether its on the Research Site or the treatment side is enormous, and how the hospitals and how the nhs generally deals with thatis and how the nhs generally deals with that is a question i dont think anyone has the answer to. Lets go straight to the front page of the guardian, sentences were deadly drivers to be tougher. Yes, but we have been here before. We have been here before. So it seems to be an obscurity to put on the front page. Its a recycled story. We have had this thing going on and on, so i dont quite get the point of it, but yes, that is the next cycle of lets be tougher on bad drivers. I think this is part of the discussion with Robert Buckland ona number of the discussion with Robert Buckland on a number of justice the discussion with Robert Buckland on a number ofjustice issues, joe, could you figure finish this up for us. People who get death by dangerous driving a certain circumstances are sentenced to 14 years, maximum of 14 years, the suggestion is that they should be extended to life. I dont think it would help much in the way of serious objections from f and the members of the public, and indeed this was driven by campaigners and victims of this problem. Yasmin,joe, i yasmin, joe, i shall see you again at 11 30 p m. For now, thank you very much indeed. Thank you and for thank you for watching. Up next, its click. Hey, welcome to click. Hope youre doing 0k. If youve got kids, then i hope the whole back to school thing is going as well as it can do. To be honest, here, it is a little bit like that. Hows it going with you, lara . Its tricky, isnt it . I remember going back as a young child as though it was yesterday, when clearly it is not, and i think, as parents, we relive that experience through our children. Yeah, we certainly do, we certainly do, and, lets face it, education is just going to feel different this year. It is also going to be different depending on the age of the kids. Really Young Children will probably be asked to bubble within a year group. Older children will be asked to follow stricter rules. And universities, well, theyre facing a whole world of challenges. Yes, theyre getting set to reopen, and for many, there will be some in person education, but the role of Remote Learning is going to be more important than ever. But for some courses, its notjust about listening to a lecture the practical is just as important. So i took a trip to an empty University Science department, to see how virtual labs could transform education as we know it. Lets go. Please wear a lab coat before entering a lab. Wheres my lab coat . Oh, there. Most will be learning via a laptop, but, for some, Virtual Reality will place them in the experiment. And today, i get to be a science student. What type of molecule is shown in the picture above . Ill go for dna. You are a genius. Im a genius 0k, it was one question. I just want to press all the buttons. But not everything goes right first time. Modules like this can let students learn about dangerous subjects safely. Meanwhile, others let you bend the rules of reality. Lets use an Inverted Microscope to have a look at some cells. Im actually inside a cell, which is, of course, not something you could do in real life. Weird. And the simulations give students access to expensive kit, that not all universities could afford. In real life, this microscope would cost around £150,000. At least this means more people can actually interact with this, albeit virtually. The Vr Experience was a bit glitchy, and another obvious issue is that not everyone has a vr headset. But for universities like this one, its the pc version thats proving vital through the pandemic. 0bviously when covid came along, we wanted to bring the virtual lab into every students home, in the context of an online seminar, where its led by an academic, and theyre asked questions, theyre checked on their knowledge as they go through the workshop. Globally, over1 Million Students have already accessed labsters tools, and the company says that the pandemic is accelerating adoption. As an example, the California Community College System that has 2 Million Students, based on the urgent need, we entered a partnership with them in less than one month, and now theyre rolling out to hundreds of thousands of students right away. Whether donning a headset or on a screen, users could also do a spot of surgery, go on a field trip, or even visit mars. If you want to keep exploring the lab, feel free to do so. You can say hello to our iguana or have a look. Theres a rodent. Is that a mouse . 0k, there are some things id rather only see virtually. And learning through vr isntjust for students. Professionals have been doing it too. 0mar mehtabs been finding out how the Emergency Services have been putting these to good use. With Emergency Services being stretched thin, and social distancing in place, it means face to face training isnt as easy as it used to be. But that doesnt mean t

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