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Reaching out to absolutely everyone in the area. Plus weve learnt that girls as young as nine are seeking surgery on their vagina because they are distressed by its appearance. Some critics say it is similar to fgm, but not everyone agrees. Female genital mutilation is clearly not a procedure that we can support in any way, shape or form. Procedure that we can support in any way, shape orform. To even use it in the same sentence as libya Plaster Surgery is not only unhelpful, but it is unfair. Labia Plaster Surgery. The law is very clear. I see it is the same thing. We should not be mutilating bodies for cultural reasons. Our full exclusive reporter after half nine this morning. Hello, welcome to the programme were live until 11. Throughout the morning, the latest Breaking News and developing stories. A little later in the programme well hear from a woman called laura, who was a victim of the rochdale paedophile and grooming ring from the age of 13 until she was 17. She has never spoken publicly about her story before, but tells us how she believes shes been repeatedly let down by police. Do get in touch on all the stories were talking about this morning use the hashtag victoria live, and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Our top story today the foreign secretarys added his voice to the growing calls from within the cabinet for theresa may to lift the 1 cap on pay rises for Public Sector workers. The limit is due to be in place until 2020. But a Government Source said borisjohnson strongly believed pay rises could be achieved without putting undue pressure on the public finances. Lets speak to our poltical guru norman smith. Holeable, norman. Michael gove said this could be done without necessarily Raising Taxes, hello, norman. Boris johnson has necessarily Raising Taxes, hello, norman. Borisjohnson has said something similar. How do they think it could be done . They have not actually said how it could be done, which i imagine is what the chancellor is thinking. Namely, it is all very well to call for an end to the Public Sector pay cap, but how will you pay for . The Institute For Fiscal Studies said it would cost around £6 billion to end the pay gap, saw an awful lot of money, but thankfully all the actually all the signs are it is hard to see how the government can stand by it. We have had six Cabinet Ministers either publicly themselves or through sources saying basically they think the Public Sector pay cap should go. Downing street meanwhile have been sending out rather conflicting messages. They certainly dont seem to be raining in any of these ministers, so when you put all that together it would seem to me, if you are in a Pay Review Body, youre going to take the comments of the likes of borisjohnson, Michael Fallon and others as a green light to go above the i pay cap, and bear in mind already last year when the teachers Pay Review Body reported, they said there should be a significant rise above the i threshold. The nhs Pay Review Body said they didnt think the i threshold. The nhs Pay Review Body said they didnt think the 1 cap was sustainable, so when they hear ministers saying, you know what, maybe Public Sector workers should have more, the chances are when report this time they will be recommending increases significantly above the i pay cap. Recommending increases significantly above the 1 pay cap. Thank you very much, norman. Much more on this to come. Wherever you work, Public Sector, private sector, should the government gets the i pay cap, and if so how should any pay rises be paid for . Where will you get the money from . You chancellorfor the morning. Annita mcveigh is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. Thank you. For the first time in nearly a decade, more nurses and midwives are leaving the profession in the uk thanjoining it. The nursing and Midwifery Council says working conditions, workload and poor pay are some of the reasons given. Sara smith reports. For years, the numbers registering to work as nurses and midwives have been going in One Direction up. And, with increasing demands on our health service, that has been crucial. These latest figures showing more staff leaving than joining should, according to the Healthcare Union unison, Ring Alarm Bells with the government, and could signal a staffing crisis. Between last march and this, the numbers on the register dropped by more than 1700. Over the following two months, there was a more dramatic move, the number going down again by more than 3000. It is only a small proportion of the total number of nurses registered, but it is the significance of the downward trend which is causing concern. There is great demand for the right standards of care to be delivered across the uk. If the numbers continue to fall, then clearly some action needs to be taken to reverse that trend. In a survey of staff who had left, for those not retiring the biggest factors were working conditions and disillusionment with the quality of care provided to patients. Low pay was also mentioned. The highest proportion of leavers were british nurses. Of eu nurses surveyed, a third quoted brexit as a reason for going. In a statement, the Department Of Health said it has launched a National Programme to ensure nurses have the support they need to continue their vital work. This programme has learned girls as young as nine are seeking surgery on their vagina because they are distressed by its appearance. Doctors say theyre seeing more and more young teenagers who are very distressed with how this part of their body looks even though they have no medical need for surgery. Labiaplasty is an operation which is not recommended for those under the age of 18 because the body has not finished developing. The law is very clear. We shouldnt be performing operations and surgery which is irreversible on developing bodies for cultural reasons. The western culture, the current culture, is to have very small labia minora, for them to be tucked inside the outer vagina lips. The regulator 0fcom this says they are consulting at on how to make energy bills more affordable and easier to switch for the people on lower incomes. Police are continuing to question a man after a 16 Year Old Girl was killed and six other teenagers injured when a car crashed into them in south london. The man whos in his 30s is being questioned on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving after the incident in croydon in the early hours of sunday morning. Several people are feared dead after a tour bus crashed and rushed into Fla Mes A Tour Bus crashed and rushed into flames when it collided with a lorry in bavaria in Southern Germany close to the town of stammbach. They say i7 to the town of stammbach. They say 17 people are unaccounted for and may not have made it out of the coach. A number of flights from Gatwick Airport were redirected yesterday after reports of a drone flying outside the airport. The flight had flying outside the airport. The flight had to circle the airport as a precaution. Sussex police are investigating. The Northern Ireland secretary, james brokenshire, will make a commons statement later about talks to restore Power Sharing at stormont. The latest legal deadline for the negotiations passed on thursday but he allowed the talks between the dup and sinn fein to continue after the negotiating period ran out. The public enquiry into decades of historical child abuse in jersey will report its findings later today. More than 600 witnesses have given evidence about abuse in childrens homes and in foster care. Police recorded more than 500 alleged offences of which 315 were said to have been committed at the haute de la garenne childrens home. President trump has been accused of inciting violence against journalists, after he tweeted a spoof video showing him assaulting a man with a cnn logo Super Imposed on his head. In the wrestling video, hes shown punching the cnn character repeatedly. The president regularly accuses cnn and other Media Outlets of broadcasting what he calls, fake news. Its been retweeted more than 250,000 times. Two people have miraculously walked away with just minor injuries after their supercar crashed into the side of a house and burst into flames. These images were taken by fire crews at the crash site near trowbridge in wiltshire. Its understood it was a Mcclaren Sports Car which ploughed into this home in heywood yesterday morning. No one who lived in the house was injured either. And incredible escape. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 9. 30. Thank you. Bank of england workers are going to stage a four day straight from the end ofjuly, justin, ina straight from the end ofjuly, justin, in a dispute over pay, according to the union unite. So people at the bank are to stage four they strike from July The 31st in they strike from July The 31st in the dispute over pay. 0lly foster is here for the sport. Good morning. The gates open in the next hour or so at the wimbledon club. Defending champion andy murray has declared himself fit. He has had this hip problem and is very short on matches on grass in the build up, but the number one says he should be 0k to go the distance. He is first up 0k to go the distance. He is first up on centre court at one oclock, playing the world number 134 from kazakhstan. It has been a pretty similar story for the british Number Onejohanna similar story for the british number one Johanna Konta over the similar story for the british number oneJohanna Konta over the past week, after that heavy fall in the eastbourne quarterfinal. She hurt her back but she says she has fully recovered. She is seeded sixth at wimbledon and is up in the Number One Court against the taiwanese player. And the tour champion chris froome also went down in this nasty pile up yesterday. He is sixth overall as the tour heads into france from belgium today. The open sta rts france from belgium today. The open starts in just over 12 weeks and Tommy Fleetwood is hitting form at the right time, the enlistment who came fourth in the us open last month won the french open yesterday. This year it is at Royal Birkdale whichjust happens this year it is at Royal Birkdale which just happens to be this year it is at Royal Birkdale whichjust happens to be in this year it is at Royal Birkdale which just happens to be in Tommy Fleetwoods hometown of southport. I will be back with a full update at ten oclock but i know that you, victoria, will be going live to wimbledon in the next 20 minutes or so. Wimbledon in the next 20 minutes or so. Yes, we will. But this morning well start the programme with the latest on Grenfell Tower. Nearly three weeks on and those who escaped have been telling us about the devastating impact of the fire on their Mental Health and they say theyre not getting the support they need from the authorities. 0ur reporter chloe tilley has been to meet one of the survivors of the fire who doesnt feel shes received the Mental Health support she needs. Rashida didnt want to show her face as she says some people are getting abuse for speaking out. So, rashida, this is your home. Yes, this is my home at the moment. So give us a tour. Rashida lived on the 15th floor of the Grenfell Tower. Her home has been destroyed, along with all of her possessions. For now a hotel is where she is living with herfamily. The few belongings she has been donated by the community. This is what people bring as everything is a start from scratch. 0n the night of the fire, rashida carried her daughter in her arms, leaving her husband to follow. Only when she got outside and saw the Flames Engulfing The Building did she understand what was happening. Her husband sid also escaped, but was taken to hospital. Where is the dignity . They havent given it to us. With the mp5 . Hes spoken to our programme about his frustration and anger at the authorities over the weight they are treating survivors of the g re nfell tower. They compare us to syria or iran or iraq. Its a different situation. Were talking about britain here. Were talking about a powerful country here. For rashida, however, she isnt angry she is struggling to cope with what shes experienced. Its very exhausting and its very sad and its very tiring. Inside i feel like, i feel lost. Ifeel like i lost everything. Its like me now ifeel like i dont have an identity, like im starting again. You have to do with many things. Its like we have to go and find out how everyday and go and see whats going on because we dont know nothing. No ones coming, no ones telling us anything. The first week i couldnt sleep because every time i moved, i saw one of the peoples faces, like the kids. I remember every face. Its like a movie is going in my eyes. Its very difficult. And is that still hard for you to sleep . Yes, very hard. Im talking now, the pictures coming now. I can see in your eyes. One of the ways rashida is dealing with her grief is to each day visit the site of the Burnt Out Tower which used to be her home. Im struck, speaking to survivors of Grenfell Tower, with a deep sense of mistrust, mistrust of the authorities, of the media, lots of people saying they didnt want to talk to us on camera. But what they did say was that they need Mental Health support but dont know how to access the services the services are there but they have to seek them out and one man even said he had to raise his voice to a social worker for his fiancee to get Mental Health support that very day. Rashida is one of many survivors who tells us she needs my help. We brought together with linda from the good grief trust, and ross 0brien who is leading the nhs Mental Health response to the fire, and they talked in her hotel room. I dont think im coping. Im just holding on, to be strong for my daughter and my family. I think i need a lot of help. I still need help. I need mental help, i need medical help, i need many other issues. People coming, looking to help but they were standing there with no information, they were trying to reach two people and i didnt know they are here for us, to help us. This is what weve really struggled with from the start. We had some information about people who are out of there but not all of the information. So weve reached out to the people we know about but people like yourselves and a host of others that we dont have information about, weve tried to reach out but being at the hotels, weve gone door to door in the surrounding area of the tower, and the further surrounding areas as well, we are working with the red cross and with local volunteers from the community to cope, we are calling all the mobile numbers but obviously if people are being displaced. We didnt have mobiles, even. Because we lost everything in the fire. We had to wait for more than a week to get again and telephone number. Weve been given a temporary smartphone and it was a new number, and we had to give that number to everyone but it wasnt easy, you know, people coming, taking our numbers, saying they would give us help. But nothing was moving smoothly. We waited, no more contact. Where did you sleep in those first nights . Your husband was in hospital and your daughter. I didnt sleep. I was Walking Around for two days, and ifelt, my feeling was numb. I couldnt feel nothing. I have a lot of friends in the area, all night and they all came looking for me and my family, theyve been crying for days. Every time they see me they had me and cry. They say they are happy i am here. Everyone is feeling sad. Everyone in the area needs help. Is the nhs is able to cope . Youve obviously got to look after the survivors but also the wider communities. Absolutely. What we will be doing over the next months and years is, will have a major programme, reaching out to absolutely everyone in the area from firefighters, Front Line Emergency services, volunteers, community organisations, schools, teachers, and the community themselves then will mobilise support so that people can have ongoing treatment and support through what will be a really tough time. Notjust us, Everyone Needs it. We are the main ones who went through the fire but i think all the community will need help. If you live near Grenfell Tower and youve been affected by the fire you can access help. The number to call for Mental Health support is 0800 023 4650. That number is staffed 24 7. We can speak now to daniel moylan, a Conservative Councllor and former deputy leader at Kensington And Chelsea council, and richard burgon, labours spokesperson on justice. Mrmoylan, mr moylan, the Council Leader resigned for perceived failings, he said. Are they perceived or real . There were real failings said. Are they perceived or real . There were realfailings in handling the aftermath of the fire. Whether there were failings before that in there were failings before that in the past is the subject of an inquiry and criminal investigations. But there were real failings in the handling of the fire. The council was overwhelmed. Thats almost forgivable because of the scale of the disaster, what was not forgivable was failing to regular news that, failing to call for help and take up the offers of help and bring people in. Why do you think mr paget brown couldnt accept that he had failed and the council which he ran failed . Im note going to comment on what goes on in other peoples iedth heads. You know the man. But for the council to go forward as a body and have a if you her, it has to start from a position of acknowledging that something has happened for which we need to apologise. Almost more than apologise, we have to have a new relationship with the people affected. We need to start that very, very quickly if we are to survive. I think commissioners coming in to run the council would bea coming in to run the council would be a bad move but it may actually have to happen. I think one of the reasons it would be a bad move is that it would remove councillors, including Labour Councillors who represent the people in North Kensington and whove been doing work as their voice. I notice that although sadiq khan has a view on this, the view of the Labour Leader in kensington is to give a very short lead time for the conservative group and the council to sort itself out. Before he calls for commissioners, that is what he has said. Ithink commissioners, that is what he has said. I think that is the right balance on that question. Ok. The monday after the fire, Nick Paget Brown offered his resignation but you and his colleagues wouldnt accept it . I ensured. I believe the cabinet unanimously asked him to stay when the Wider Conservative Group was asked, it was not unanimous. I wouldnt give me ascent to that. On friday last week, com pletely to that. On friday last week, completely exasperated, i went on television and said at lunch time that i thought he should resign and he should have resigned a week earlier. Clearly he should have done and it would have been better all round. What do you need to do now . You have talked about trying to build trust with residents. What do you need to do in practical terms in terms of helping . In practical terms, we have to show that we can elect a leader who represents a genuine break with the past. That wouldnt be the prior residents . Genuine break with the past. That wouldnt be the prior residents7m course not, i completely understand that. In practical terms, theres been a much better coordinated effort since the other london local authorities and the government came in to put the resources behind it. You have illustrated some failings this morning. There are still things going wrong. Mental health can people access the services, the services are there. Computers churning out rent demands because nobodys thought to stop them, that sort of thing, you know, has been addressed and needs to be addressed, so its by no means perfect. The key thing that needs to be done in the first instance, but it will take some weeks i think, is to find a permanent proper home for the people whove been displaced so that they can move out of Hotel Accommodation into Something Like that. Their lives need toe be rebuilt, their children need to be given help, counselling and support. Can you tell us what sort of properties are being looked at for that permanent accommodation . No. You dont know . No. There is a Group Responsible for this. As far as i know, i do not know what properties are being looked. A we know about the Social Housing thats being got ready quickly in Kensington High Street thats been bought at cost from the developers so that it can be got ready very quickly, the 68 unit there is, but i dont know the other units are. That is permanent accommodation so they can move in and stay there . That was always going to be permanent Social Housing. Fine. So people might have a wish to move after theyve moved m, a wish to move after theyve moved in, they might change or whatever, im sure that will be dealt with sensitively, but it was always built as permanent Social Housing. Ok. Richard burgon, in terms of commissioners, its the labour mayor sadiq khan, suggesting it should be commissioners who run this council. Why would that be the best idea . |j think why would that be the best idea . think its important as well to listen to what local residents say about this. One of the advantages of getting commissioners in, and its a rarely used power, but quite correctly a boyar thats there and its correct that its rarely used, that the government can appoint commissioners to run a council on a day to day basis to make the day to day basis to make the day to day decisions. Its the right thing to happen. If it happens, they have to find a way where local residents still have their democratic representations made so that councillors would be in a position to hold the council to account. The governments indicated its not going to happen, so what is the next best option . We need to listen to local residents. We had a meeting in parliament with residents including survivors. What was clear was that they feel still that things havent been sorted out since that terrible fire. So all steps need to be taken. It seems to me there has been a bit of absence of government, or the absence of the state noel locally and nationally, so things havent been sorted out, including rehousing, benefits, the provision of. | rehousing, benefits, the provision of. I would like to see the provision of a social worker for every person affected. People are in shock and trauma. As the video that we just saw, showed shock and trauma. As the video that wejust saw, showed people need access to Mental Health assistance as well. Are you shocked that that is not happening considering what those people have experienced . M is not happening considering what those people have experienced . It is com pletely those people have experienced . It is completely shocking. At the meeting in parliament the other day, when i left to vote, there was a video taken of a woman speaking and she talked about a child having drawn a picture of the burning block with her friends flying out of the top and there are children walking past the remains of the building on the way to school and other residents seeing it every day. It cant be imagined the horror that people are still going through and people who may never be able to forget this. So its important that practical help is provided to them. This is really a National Disaster and the government needs to do everything it can in order to sort this out to support people as best as they can. Is that a government issue, the lack of support when it comes to Mental Health and dealing with what people experienced and witnessed and helping them through this deep, deep trauma, or is that a local Council Issue . I think the important thing. Ithink issue . I think the important thing. I think the two things merge for this purpose. The state has to work together. Richard paints a picture which is a little bit blacker than it actually is, that many of the services he calls for, there are social workers attached to people. Many things he calls for are being provided, the question is one of outreach and connection. But theres also the issue, and he puts his finger on it, that it doesnt matter what material and other support you give to the people whove had this experience, the trauma will be with them and cant be washed away by any action that can be taken. Of course. Therell still be suffering out there in peoples heads even if material things are addressed, for decades to come. So we have to reek recognise that i think the government is doing, and the local councils working there, are putting on a great array of services. They are perfectly aware that they are not getting through to everybody, they are doing their best to find people, they still dont even though exactly who was in the building, there might be people out there whove not identified themselves, so theyve been doing their best to get out there, aware that they are not covering all of the ground. They really are trying to address that. I agree where richard to the ex than this is not going to be something that you will ever say the governments done this, tick, sorted, done, there are always going to be things that could be better and that still need to be done probably for years to come but i think its a little more, i think people are more aware of what richard said, its a matter of working together,en couragement rather than criticism is what people need at the moment. Thank you both very much. Daniel moylan conservative councillor at Kensington And Chelsea leader and richard burgon, labours spokesperson on justice. Thank you. Still to come. Andy murray starts the defence of his wimbledon title today and says he is fit, despite suffering with a hip problem. Well be live there injust a moment. And claims that girls as young as nine are trying to get surgery on their vagina because they are upset by how it looks. Heres annita in the bbc newsroom with a summary of todays news. The foreign secretaried added his voice to the growing calls from within the cabinet for theresa may to lift the 1 cap on pay rises for Public Sector workers. The limit is due to be in place until to 20. A Government Source said Boris Johnsons strongly believes pay rises could be achieved without putting undue pressure on the public finances. Figures out today show that for the first time in nearly a decade, more nurses and midwives are leaving the profession in the uk, thanjoining it. In the year to march 2017, 20 more staff left the register run by the nursing and Midwifery Council than signed up to it with british nurses quitting in the greatest numbers. The Department Of Health says theres a National Programme to improve staff retention. The unite union says Bank Of England workers are to stage a four date strike at the end ofjuly over pay. Up strike at the end ofjuly over pay. Up to strike at the end ofjuly over pay. Uptoa strike at the end ofjuly over pay. Up to a third of workers have received no pay rise at all this year. The energy regulator, 0fgem, has announced plans to limit gas and electricity bills for more people on low incomes. The regulator says it will be consulting on how best to protect the most vulnerable customers from high prices, and around 2 Million People could face lower bills as a result. Theyve also announced plans to make switching Energy Suppliers easier. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 10. 00. Back to you. Salary is at wimbledon. Lets talk about andy murray. How ready is he to start the defence of his title . I tell you what, if he is half as ready as this court he will be fine. Can i go slightly off script and see just look at the grass . It looks like velvet. 0ver there, oh, you just missed it, but someone has been over there mopping up someone has been over there mopping up the extra bits of grass, but this is where we will see andy murray at centre court at one oclock, of course the reigning wimbledon champion, and he is such a popular player here, of course the home favourite, but he has been really struggling with a hip injury in the last couple of weeks. Pulled out of two exhibition matches last week, due to play as kind of warm up last week. 0bviously some suggesting his injury is fairly serious but we do know he has been practising on grass all week. Hejust know he has been practising on grass all week. He just wanted to take it at his own pace. He was heading brilliantly last week. It is just how good his movement will be around the court with that hip injury. But the court with that hip injury. But the top four mens players are all probably carrying a bit of an injury. They have been around a long time and to play the sport at the highest level you will get hurt. And the british womens number one Johanna Konta has had problems as well. How is she . She had terrible time last week, playing at eastbourne and she had a shocking fall. You know when your legs just go from under you . That happened to her. She took a tumble when she was playing, i really nasty fall, and hit her head quite badly. She has had all sorts of checks over the weekend, checked for concussion, i believe, but in her interview yesterday she said she was feeling fine, as well as expected, that there was no concussion, and she said she comes into this wimbledon feeling is that as she possibly can. But i know she is the british number one and there is a huge and of pressure on her and that is something she will try not to think about, will try to block it out completely. Lets talk about former winner petrarch kvitova, injured in a knife attack, but the beauty is fa ncy a knife attack, but the beauty is fancy her to pick up a third title here . Wouldnt that be just the most amazing story. Her Playing Handel was stabbed in her home in a knife attack and the attacker stabbed her playing hand with a knife playing hand was stabbed. You would think, is this woman ever going to step onto court again, firstly because of the feeling in her hand, will she ever recover physically . But also how do you recover mentally from that, to have the confidence to come back and play at the highest level. She has admitted she has some numbness still in the hand and is hoping she will get full feeling back. She played in birmingham a couple of weeks ago. She won. She was fantastic. But she says she is not even thinking about winning wimbledon. She said she has already won the biggest battle of this year simply by being back in playing the sport she loves. Thank you, sally. Ithink playing the sport she loves. Thank you, sally. I think we will speak to you, sally. I think we will speak to you every day at wimbledon. That will be lovely. I am looking forward to it. Good morning. It is 9 34am. Welcome to the programme. This programme has learnt that a girl as young as nine has sought surgery on her vagina because they are distressed by its appearance. Doctors say theyre seeing more and more young teenagers who are very distressed with how this part of their body looks even though their body is healthy and they have no medical need for surgery. Labiaplasty is an operation which is not recommended for those under the age of 18 because the body has not finished developing. Some medical experts are comparing the unnecessary operation on young girls to female genital mutilation. 0ur Reporterjean Mackenzie has this Exclusive Report Which as youd expect contains frank conversations and you may not want Young Children to hear. In our visual, Virtual World there is an increasing pressure on teenagers to look the part. To shape and sculpt their bodies. But what about the parts not on show . How far will girls now go . I guess id just picked up from somewhere that it wasnt neat enough or tidy enough, and i think i wanted it to be smaller. Doctors have told us they are seeing more girls upset with how their genitals look. Im seeing young girls around 11, 12, 13, thinking there is something wrong with their vulva, that theyre the wrong shape, the wrong size, and really expressing almost disgust. And more often than not, theyre after cosmetic surgery to change them. Girls will sometimes come out with comments like, ijust hate it, ijust want it removed, i want it treated. And for a girl to feel that way about any part of her body, let alone a part thats intimate, is really upsetting. Naomi is one of the countrys leading Adolescent Gynaecologists. And ive come to meet her in bristol after hearing how concerned she is about the number of girls seeking her help. Over the last few years, whereas i might have seen one or two patients every few months, im now seeing patients every week. I would say typically they will be mid adolescence, 14, 15, 16, but i have seen younger. The youngest girl ive seen is a girl of nine. Almost universally the solution they are seeking is to have an operation, to have surgery. The surgery is called labioplasty its where the lips of the vagina are shortened or reshaped. It can be done for cosmetic reasons, or if theyre causing a woman pain. Gps and doctors will refer a girl and say, we are worried that the appearance looks strange, looks wrong, looks abnormal in some way, the inner lips of the labia are too long or are pendulous or abnormal, and so a girl will come and see me and shell be really worried, and her mum will probably be worried. Then ill offer them an examination, and 100 of the time i will find they have perfectly normal anatomy and theres no abnormality there at all. So how do you feel when you see these girls wanting surgery on their genitals and you deem them to be what you call normal . I find it very worrying that we are normalising cosmetic surgery on the genital area for a generation. I think when i was about like 13, 14, i started to wonder why it wasnt symmetrical. Anna decided when she was younger that she would have the operation as soon as she turned 18. I guess ijust picked up from somewhere, like, it wasnt neat enough or tidy enough and i think i wanted it to be smaller. Where were you getting the idea that you didnt look normal . Sometimes people around me were watching porn and stuff, and ijust had the idea it should be symmetrical and like not sticking up. I guess ijust thought what everyone else looked like because i hadnt seen any normal, everyday areas like that before then. And why did you decide that you wanted surgery . I didnt want to be abnormal, i didnt want to look different because i thought i looked different from other people. I remember looking back through magazines and things like that and i remember seeing that as one of the options and went, oh, ok, so if theres Surgery Options for it clearly im not the only one who wants this done. And it was, like, maybe itll not be that big of a deal, snip one side so it looks the same, symmetrical, loads of painkillers, it will be fine. I just wasnt seeing girls coming with these anxieties before. Paquita has been a gp for 30 years. She started to worry when her young patients began to raise these concerns. Since then shes surveyed others in her trust and found the same story. I think whats really distressing is the disgust. I remember the Girl Pointing at her genitalia and her nose sort of wrinkling in disgust, and saying, whats this . As if there really doesnt seem to be a knowledge now of what one should look like there seems to be this very narrow spectrum of what is acceptable. What is the perceived spectrum of normal versus the reality of what women look like . That the inner lips, if you like, should be invisible, a bit like a barbie doll, you dont see anything. But the reality is that there is great variation in the size of the inner lips, that some of them quite normally may protrude. You feel very strongly that women and girls particularly shouldnt be seeking the surgery and shouldnt be having it. Why . The labia is normal, healthy, erogenous tissue. Why on earth should one be removing it . Its an amputation. The nhs says this surgery shouldnt be carried out on girls before they turn 18, as their genitals wont have fully developed. And a few years ago, they changed the rules so that gps could no longer refer patients who had cosmetic concerns about their labia. There had to be a physical issue that was causing them pain or discomfort. But as weve heard, that hasnt stopped the referrals or the surgeries. Last year more than 200 girls under the age of 18 had labioplasty on the nhs. More than 150 were under 15. We shared this with naomi. Does that surprise you . Shocks me. That seems extraordinary data. Because the area hasnt finished developing. That is akin to 156 girls under the age of 15 having breast implants. The nhs team who gave us that data were keen to point out that the nhs would never operate for cosmetic reasons. Do you think some of these surgeries that have been performed were not needed . I find it very hard to believe that there are 156 girls under the age of 15 who had a medical abnormality with the labia that meant they needed to have surgery. I think thats extraordinary, and as a paediatric and Adolescent Gynaecologists i have never seen a girl under the age of 15 who has ever needed to have an operation on her labia. There are medical practitioners up and down the country who must be performing these procedures. And i think we need to be trying to do more about it. We know the nhs now says it wont perform this operation for cosmetic reasons. Do you think girls are wising up to this, and over promoting physical symptoms to get the operation . Yes. I think there is awareness that they are more likely to have the operation if they say that its causing physical discomfort, interfering with sex, interfering with sport. They feel that will tick that box and they are more likely to have the procedure. But some of them are genuinely distressed. They are so convinced there is something wrong and they feel so embarrassed and ashamed of their appearance that they are extremely distressed. So what can be done to tackle the distress that some girls are feeling . Well, a lot can be achieved in schools by teaching girls, and boys, what their bodies looked like. What their bodies look like. And ive come to this school, which is working really hard to dispel some of the myths. Weve gone from Marilyn Monroe to Kim Kardashian in the past 50 years. And the reason that thats happened is because the existence of the fitness, fashion and beauty industries, to an extent, rely on inventing new things for us to worry about. New parts of our body that we are supposed to apologise for. The because if they can keep us insecure, they will keep us spending. Natasha devon goes into schools to talk to teenagers about their bodies. Plan is theres a lot of young women who are going to have surgery on their genitals because they think they are not normal. They are normal, but pornography has created this unrealistic expectation which has created a market. There are people who will try and convince you that youre not normal so that you will spend money. There is a pressure, particularly on girls, to attain perfection in all areas of their life. They feel pressure to perform academically, to seem like they are popular, to be sporty, and additionally to look perfect all the time. How important is it to educate girls on this stuff . We can teach children as early as possible to question, and have a really healthy scepticism for the world around them. Thats like armour. And that prepares them for what is, lets face it, because of technology, quite an uncertain future. So if you chase what ever is considered to be beautiful at any one given moment in history you will be chasing it forever, because it will always change. Those goalposts will always move. Its great to see some of the work that is being done in schools but now i really want to understand some of the pressure that these girls are under. How much pressure do you guys feel to look a certain way . There is a lot of pressure, especially on social media. Its all pictures working out or looking a certain way and you look at yourself and go, oh, i dont look like that at all. Boys have like a certain image of a girl and then they think like you should have to work towards that image. They can be whatever they want but you have to be a certain thing. Do you worry about the images that boys are seeing with pornography and how its affecting what they think girls should look like . I just think they are really unrealistic. Everyone either has fake boobs all they have had surgery done. But when a boy or someone or a couple go to have sex, they think that their body is going to look like that. Do you ever worry about the appearance or that part of your body . Theres an expectation that you shouldnt have it really hairy. Its like youve got to shave it theres just like an image that pubic hair is dirty. There was like one thing and snapchat a few weeks ago and it was like, theres four different types of vaginas. They were categorising it into four or five sections. So it was like, oh, what if it doesnt fit into that . Its interesting because i considered myself quite confident, and then when you think about it, we do a lot of things to change ourselves. The term designer vagina, which i hate using, that really has put a certain stamp on this surgery. Which in some respects is no different to breast surgery. The majority of labioplasties are done by private cosmetic surgeons on women once theyve turned 18. And the industry is criticised for normalising the procedure and encouraging these insecurities. Some of the medical practitioners weve spoken to say that a lot of the young girls wanting this operation actually, when they look at them, have no need for it. How much are you seeing that . Theres an awful lot of that about but i have seen the patients anywhere between 16 and 21 who have never had a boyfriend. Theyve never even engaged in an intimate relationship because they are so concerned about that. But you rightly mention that this is a cosmetic procedure. Completely. How do you feel operating on people for cosmetic reasons for this . I do it because i can get people to be happier about life. It changes people fundamentally. It changes that outlook in life, it changes the feelings they have about themselves, it changes their self esteem and their confidence. And i think if you can change that with something relatively simple, like an hour long operation, its a worthwhile thing to do. There are those who vehemently disagree. Who say the parallels between this surgery and female genital mutilation are uncomfortable. When we think of the horror of fgm is that comparisonfair . The law is clear, we should not be performing operations and surgery which is irreversible on developing bodies for cultural reasons. The western culture, the current culture, is to have very small labia minora, for them to be tucked inside the outer vagina lips. I see it as the same thing. Female genital mutilation is clearly not a procedure that we can support in any way, shape or form. To even use it in the same sentence as Labiaplasty Surgery is not only unhelpful but its unfair. If we should not be doing labial surgery then there needs to be a societal response and a decision made. But before that decision, the question that needs addressing is, why now is there such a demand for this surgery and from such young girls . There isnt enough education and it should start quite young because puberty is starting younger and younger, as to what your body is going to look like. And explaining to them that there is a range, like we all look different in our faces, we look different in that part of our bodies as well, and its ok. Ive spent some time trying to talk to them about the anatomies and weve also got pictures of women with no medical problems and no concerns with that part of the body, and to realise that women can be all shapes and sizes and these are all healthy natural bodies. I think it goes some way towards alleviating that. And while education is crucial, naomi says some of the responsibilities must live with the professionals. I dont think it should be performed. Certainly on girls under the age of 18. Over the age of 18 it should be seen for what it is which a cosmetic procedure which people may choose to buy. And youre now in your 20s. And you didnt have the operation. What changed your mind . For me, i stopped worrying so much about how i looked and realised there were more versions of normality. And are you glad you didnt get it done . Yes, looking back now im really glad i didnt get it done. Because i didnt need it. Like, i look totally normal. Completely and utterly normal where are the mums, thats what i wa nt to where are the mums, thats what i want to know. If you are a mum, get in touch. Anthonyf on Facebook Says i dont know any teenager who isnt happy with some part of their body but they learn to live with it. Some should be treated by psychologists before surgery. Joe says this idea of surgery is ridiculous and another says it should only be done if its an issue. Another says its perfection being demanded. Can you imagine being a mum taking your daughter to talk about that with a gynaecologist, aged nine, 13, 14 . Nhs england told us it carries out this type of surgery for complex clinical conditions, but not for cosmetic reasons. It added that Clinical Commissioning Groups would have their own policies about surgery for cosmetic reasons that may include this procedure. Pressure continues to mount for theresa may to scrap the Public Sector pay cap. We talked about this last week. That pressure is continuing on the Prime Minister. Keith on text says, with Nhs Trust Ceos earning £250,000 plus bonus and benefits and their immediate subordinates close behind, get rid of them and give front line staff an increase and stop using agencies. Matt on e mail says pay cap paid for easily by scrapping hsii. A pay rise is in the national interest, but hsii is not. This texter says, if funding is needed for nurses, how about freezing the salaries of Senior Management and consultants on salaries of £80,000 and above. Peter says use foreign aid and look after britain first. When we are sorted we can then help others. Zoren on e mail, the 1 cap has been unfair and the Public Sectors played and paid its part in helping the country, however does the money have to be found from elsewhere . If so, where . Labour plans to spend its way out of the financial problem and thatis out of the financial problem and that is wrong. This texter says, there shouldnt be any question on how to pay for it, we are one of the richest countries, we will find the money. Teachers have expressed serious concerns about a law which obliges them to report students showing signs of being radicalised. Its now been two years since schools and colleges implemented the prevent duty, a key part of the governments strategy to divert people from violent extremism. Three counties radio has obtained the first detailed report into how teachers and College Staff are adapting. It says theyve responded professionally but there are worries about the effect its having on some communities. Usman azad has this report from luton. The year 8s at Stockwood Park Academy in luton are about to get a lesson in hate. How to recognise it, how to reject it, and how to protect themselves from those who promote it. I want to start off straightaway with what you see on screen and what you can here. Who can raise their hands quickly and tell me whats happening up there . Yes, sir. Counterstrike. Call of duty. Who said call of duty . 0k. Thank you. Irfan chishti is a home office approved intervention provider. Hes also an imam. He travels from school to school delivering these sessions, raising awareness of extremism and radicalisation. This is our call of duty. And hey, that word there, who said it over here, look at what they are saying. We will respawn. Whos going to tell me what that is. Heaven, thank you, sir. This assembly is part of a Wider Programme called prevent. The Government Strategy to tackle radicalisation and identify people mainly the young at risk of being drawn into violent extremism. A terror organisation, their propaganda is pretty loud and it is pretty much out there. And thats the kind of message they are putting out. Prevent is one of his four strands of the governments Counterterrorism Strategy known as contest. Created by the labour government, its remit was widened by the coalition in 2011. Teachers are now on the front line of this. Two years ago prevent became a legal duty for schools and colleges. They are now obliged to show due regard to the need to prevent people from being drawn into terrorism. This means spotting peoples vulnerability to radicalisation and referring them to specialist support. According to the research, teachers by and large accept the prevent study. Staff were sceptical as to whether the duty would identify genuine cases of young people that have been drawn into terrorism. They felt such young people would be more likely to be able to hide what they we re likely to be able to hide what they were doing so they didnt think the duty itself would be necessarily able to identify those people. Duty itself would be necessarily able to identify those peoplem luton, these concerns are felt across broad sections of the muslim community, despite more than a third of prevent referrals nationwide referring to far right extremism. Mr malik believes children subject to referrals can end up on watch lists. He also thinks its a big ask for teachers. The fact is, no teacher has gone into the Teaching Industry with the intention of policing, because thats what prevent is, policing the community. Teachers are being asked to do a job which they havent been trained to do. The impact prevent has on muslim boys and girls, is that it alienates them from the community, makes them into a suspect community, it adds to the narrative that prevails and encourages discrimination, hate crime and islamophobia. From that, that can only create more hate, more resentment and disconnect from the wider community. I think training is a really important part of what we do as professionals in education. 0ur do as professionals in education. Our staff are very well trained, theyre trained by the prevent team and actually by our own staff whore trained up to deliver the sessions. That means staff are really skilled at spotting early signs, things that might seem reasonably inconsequencetial but actually when they add up could be something really major. For the government, prevent remains the central plank of their antiradicalisation strategy. There hawk talk it will be relaunched or rebranded. We have been told more likely therell be extra funding. I dont hang up on the word prevent because at the heart of this its about safeguarding, that is the key message for everyone. The proof is the fact that actually in many areas, we are seeing far right sometimes outstripping referrals from the muslim communities because actually people are vulnerable to being groomed no matter who they are and what their background is. Pakistan have done well in the cricket. Back at Stockwood Park Academy, the fun assembly is being wrapped up. The school is located in the part of town where the English Defence league was founded. So how did the audience respond to todays session . A loft of my friends got discrimination after a lot of the attacks and that was quite upsetting to me. Now the fact that i know that its, you know, that i can actually tell these people that that is not what they stand for as people, its like not their values that those people are going out and showing, its actually quite like the opposite. It teaches us about how the world around us works, what happens and how stupid people can be in the sense that it shows that they think muslims religion, its their religion but the religion shows they should do the opposite of what they do. Tremendousth the prevent remains an issue. The government insists its our best bet to keep vulnerable minds from being preyed upon. Its estimated half of all referrals to prevent are about under 18s thought to account for about 2,000 young people, the youngest of which was four. Four we can speak now to atiq malik a lawyer and member of prevent watch. Hes represented families. Also irfan who you saw in the film, Cofounder Of Me You and imam of salford central mosque. Good morning. Mr malikfirst imam of salford central mosque. Good morning. Mr malik first of all, this report that we have seen suggests there is no evidence of widespread resista nce there is no evidence of widespread resistance to prevent by teachers, yet significant concern about the stigmatisation of muslim students. How much is that a problem for you . A and details, what vote for the three year old . A and details, what vote for the threeyearold . Without giving names and details. The child could not pronounce properly what the word cucumber was and they were referred to prevent for that. It was a very shocking story, known as the cucumber case, widely reported in the media. What did they think the child was saying . They thought that the child was saying cooker bomb. Cooker bomb . This is true . M the child was saying cooker bomb. Cooker bomb . This is true . It was reported widespread in the uk and internationally, because it caused so much shock, as do windows the prevent duty start or stop. Three year olds, two year olds, one year olds, how far gone as this . And whose responsibility is this, pa rents, and whose responsibility is this, parents, teachers . And Public Services are bursting at the seams, the teachers,. Services are bursting at the seams, the teachers,. And services are bursting at the seams, the teachers,. And teachers are not complaining about this duty. There is no widespread resistance to prevent by teachers. It is shocking to hear that because the National Union of teachers has repeatedly voiced concerns, asked for the scrapping of the prevent duty, asked for an independent review of the prevent resume in its entirety. Another interesting point is this. The United Nations have also published a report which was published by the United Nations, the human rights commission, and what that says is that the prevent duty is not only inherently flawed and not only does it feel to meet its objectives, but it adds to the problem it is trying to resolve. And it says that it actually goes against the grain of human rights and democracy. Lets bring in irfan on that. Goes against the grain of democracy. How do you respond to what mr is saying . Esau and that at how we deal with this on the ground level with students and staff how do you deal with what mr attiq malik is saying . This is one flawed response. The key issue in this whole agenda is that prevent deals with situations as a safeguarding issue just as it deals with any other. We have now been working with the school and Education Sector for a Numberof Years The School and Education Sector for a number of years and overwhelmingly the response as you got from that report as well and im speaking to you as a practitioner the ground, speaking to teachers, the confidence they now have because we are using they now have because we are using the word safeguarding. I am an ex teacher myself and safeguarding is bread and butter for people. People understand that if there is harm, regardless of what type of harm, regardless of what type of harm, then teachers have a duty to safeguard and to deal with that in the appropriate manner. All right. 0ne the appropriate manner. All right. One final point to you, mr malik. Ben wallace, security minister, says 150 people have been dissuaded from fighting in syria. You must welcome that. I am glad you raise that. In actual fact that. I am glad you raise that. In Actualfact Amber that. I am glad you raise that. In actual fact amber rudd said it was 150 people stop from travelling to syria, but this makes no sense. If 150 people were stopped travelling to syria, which amber rudd said. We can argue about the figures. It might be ten, might be 150, but you must welcome the fact they have been dissuaded . That is the point. If they have been dissuaded, that is a criminal act, they have been dissuaded, that is a criminalact, preparatory acts they have been dissuaded, that is a criminal act, preparatory acts of terrorism. They said 150 people stopped from committing these offences, these offences committed over the last year. Looking at the figures, in the hall of england over the last year only 61 people have been convicted of terrorism in the entirety of england. Terrorism in that sense includes preparing to go to another country, sending money to somebody, going on the internet and looking at how to make a bomb, sokoli 60 people in the hall of the country last year were convicted suyal is only 60 people were convicted of terrorist related acts, where does their 150, from . Is it f, another tory lie from the election, what is going on . We have to leave it there. We will bring you the news and sport a little late in a moment, but first the weather. Thank you. Good morning. We have had a fairly decent start tojuly, the weekend not so bad at all, and this weekend not so bad at all, and this weekend starts off decent. A bit of rain expected on tuesday but before we get that far you can see one or two showers we get that far you can see one or two s howe rs a cross we get that far you can see one or two showers across england and wales heading into this afternoon. And outside chance perhaps of catching a shower at wimbledon but sunny spells across many parts. The cloud is increasing in Northern Ireland and run this afternoon and temperatures getting into the high teens and low 20s, but that rain in Northern Ireland will move its way gradually into southern scotland, northern england, then patchy rain for england, then patchy rain for england and wales as well. Elsewhere should be dry. 11 15 for temperatures. During tuesday it is that northern part of england and southern scotland, Northern Ireland, that will stay quite wet throughout the day. The far north of scotland is largely dry with sunny spells and sunny spells developing for a good pa rt sunny spells developing for a good part of england and wales during the afternoon as well. Here, temperatures up to about 25 degrees, but a bit chillier especially when youre stuck beneath that cloud and rain at 13 14. Goodbye. Thank you very much, simon. Heres annita in the bbc newsroom with a summary of todays news. Good morning. The foreign secretarys added his voice to the growing calls from within the cabinet for theresa may to lift the 1 cap on pay rises for Public Sector workers. The limit is due to be in place until 2020. But a Government Source said borisjohnson strongly believed pay rises could be achieved without putting undue pressure on the public finances. Figures out today show that for the first time in nearly a decade, more nurses and midwives are leaving the profession in the uk, thanjoining it. In the year to march 2017, 20 more staff left the register run by the nursing and Midwifery Council than signed up to it with british nurses quitting in the greatest numbers. The Department Of Health says theres a National Programme to improve staff retention. The unite union says Bank Of England workers are to stage a four day strike from the 31st ofjuly in a dispute over pay. The union said staff were angry they have been given a below Inflation Pay offer for the second year running with up to a third of workers will receive no pay rise at all this year. President trump has been accused of inciting violence against journalists, after he tweeted a spoof video showing him assaulting a man with a cnn logo Super Imposed on his head. In the wrestling video, hes shown punching the cnn character repeatedly. The president regularly accuses cnn and other Media Outlets of broadcasting what he calls, fake news. Its been re tweeted more than 250,000 times. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 10. 30. Thank you very much. Heres some sport now with 0llie. The gates open at the All England Club in the next half an hour. The queues will start moving very soon. Andy murray should also be arriving very soon. He says hes good to go for wimbledon fortnight but its looked touch and go for the past week or so. Hes been putting in extra practice this week to try and shake off a niggling hip problem. Remember, he lost in the first round of queens a fortnight ago and he also had to pull out of a couple of Exhibition Events so hes really short on grasscourt matches as he looks to defend his title. Hes first up on centre court, as is the tradition, and the world number 134 Alexander Bublik shouldnt cause him too many problems, but murray knows his preparations have been farfrom ideal. Its just a little bit stressful because at this point, this period of the year, right before slam, and the biggest tournament for me of the year, as brit, you want to be preparing, out there practising, and i havent been in that position before really, but you just have to try to stay patient, stay calm. Johanna kontas fitness has also been a worry. She had a nasty fall at eastbourne in the qaurterfinals, and hurt her back, that forced her to pull out of her semi final. She says she is recovering really well. Shes on court 0ne Against Hsieh Suwei from taiwan. She is seeded sixth at wimbledon. Bbc two is a good place to start for the coverage. Britains chris froome and Geraint Thomas had a lucky escape on the second stage of the Tour De France. They recovered from this crash to reach the finish in liege. The moment was captured by photographer chris auld. Despite the look of panic the riders were not badly hurt. Reigning champion froome remains sixth overall. That is all the sport for now and i will be back with your headlines in the next half an hour or so. Thank you. And thank you although much for your comment inhabit this pay cap. There has been pressure on various ministers to lift it your comments in this morning about the pay cap. 0ne teacher, i have not had a pay rise since Ijoined The Profession but in thes have had an 1196 profession but in thes have had an 11 pay rise. Teaching is now unbearable and so many are leaving. As code to pay for the increase, i dont remember the bbc asking how we would pay for the bombs we sent to syria recently when asked how we will pay for the increase. A similar point here. The lords claim £300 a day on expenses. Public Service Employees deserve the same consideration. Paul e mails to say he agrees Public Sector employees should get a pay increase. It is not only the Public Sector affected. I have not had any pay rise and eight yea rs now have not had any pay rise and eight years now and have not had and not the only one i know. Sick of hearing about the power Public Sector workers when they have done better than me. As i say, this is under increasing pressure to end that pay freeze. It was announced backin that pay freeze. It was announced back in 2010 and means teachers, nurses, firefighters, police and other people working in the Public Sector have had their pay cap that 1 , even though inflation, the cost of living, has risen more than that. Foreign secretary borisjohnson has become the latest senior Cabinet Minister to put pressure on the chancellor and the Prime Minister to end it. The conservatives went into the election pledging to maintain the cap until 2020, but there are growing calls for a rethink after the party lost its majority in the general election. It comes as figures from the nursing and Midwifery Council show more nurses and midwives are leaving the profession in the uk thanjoining it. A basic salary for a new nurse in 2010 was £21,176 per year. In 2016 that figure was £21,692, an increase of just over that figure was £21,692, an increase ofjust over £500. Whereas mps salaries were £65,738 in 2010, and £74,962 in 2016. An increase of almost £9,000. Not all mps took that extra rise. Some donated it to charities or used it in their office on interns and so on. Lets talk Tojosie Irwin from the Royal College of nursing, Maria Caulfield who is a conservative mp and a former nurse herself, and Alasdair Smith an economist and former member of four pay review bodies. Welcome, love you. Josie, wire Nurses Leaving . I think nurses feel they have been taken for granted for too long welcome, all of you. Nurses leaving, it is notjust nurses towards the end of their career. Workload pressures are enormously intense. Nurses are working extra hours every shift in orderjust to get working extra hours every shift in order just to get the working extra hours every shift in orderjust to get the work done. It is an incredibly pressured environment. So it isjust too much and that he is not worth it . It is just too much and 50 59 of our members and we know because we have surveyed them, they feel they cannot deliver the quality of care they wa nt to deliver the quality of care they want to and have been trained to deliver, so they feel really compromised by the impact of the squeeze on their profession. And of course some are leaving because of the economic circumstances as well. In reality it is a complex mix of not enough money, feeling undervalued, and just not being able to do, to provide the care they have been trained to do. And the impact on the nhs of this . Our view is that the nhs is at a tipping point, quite frankly, and it is not. We have heard that before, though. This time it is really true. There are 40,000 Nursing Vacancies in england alone. We know that the number of nurses coming to the uk from the eu are not coming to the uk from the eu are not coming in the numbers that they were, for obvious reasons, because they are uncertain. There are about 35,000 nurses who work you trained who are now feeling uncertain about their future, who will go, who are now feeling uncertain about theirfuture, who will go, and that on top of the 40,000 is just not believable really. We dont know that 35,000 will go. We dont know that 35,000 will go. We dont know that 35,000 will go. We dont know that 35,000 will go but we know a fair proportion of them will go because they feel uncertain about their future. Maria, hello. Michael gove, the environment secretary, seemed yesterday to support calls for the cap to be lifted, and said we dont necessarily have to pay for it by Raising Taxes, which means diverted money from elsewhere or borrowing, what do you think . There are some difficult decisions to be made. The reason why there has been a pay freeze, and i suffered that working as a nurse during the 20102015 working as a nurse during the 2010 2015 period, and it is extremely difficult. As josie 2010 2015 period, and it is extremely difficult. Asjosie says, most nurses work extra hours, extra shifts, joined their hospital bank. Would you support the free is being lifted . Bank. Would you support the free is being lifted . Absolutely. Will reject the money from . There are difficult decisions to be made because of the interest we are paying on deficit and if we suddenly start spending on everything we want to, we will have to pay more in terms of Interest Payments as a country, but it is about priorities. For me Public Sector workers have been carrying their services, whether it is teachers, doctors, police, for too long. Ok, so would you raise taxes . Michael gove says not necessarily have to do that. Would you divert money from elsewhere, replacing trident, hs2, or would you borrow . elsewhere, replacing trident, hs2, or would you borrow . I think it is about priorities, and there is money in the system. But we are . For me i think we need to look at the International Aid budget. Think we need to look at the internationalaid budget. I think we need to look at the internationalaid budget. Lam think we need to look at the International Aid budget. I am very supportive of it. It was £30 billion last year. What do you think it should be in order to fund the lifting of the cap . It will cost about £6 billion and it will not all, from one budget, if we lift the cup. For me i dont particularly wa nt cup. For me i dont particularly want to be Raising Taxes because it will be ordinary nurses, teachers, Police Officers paying bills. We have done a huge amount lifting people out of tax. I think it would bea people out of tax. I think it would be a retrograde step. So you say take some money from the foreign aid budget. That is taking money from some of the poorest in the world. You are a representative of the Royal College of nursing, would you be comfortable with that . I think marias explained it very well. There are Political Choices to be made. Making a Political Choice is always difficult. We would say that in order to deliver the health ca re that in order to deliver the health care that patients in this country deserve, the money needs to be found from somewhere, but that is not our decision. But would you sleep at night if money was taken from some of the poorest people in the world to pay for your members . There are some tough political decisions to be made. Some tough political decisions to be made. All some tough political decisions to be made. All right. Alastair, hello. In terms of your experience of pay review bodies, what do they look at before recommending . They look at the kind of evidence that youve just been discussing whether in the workforce they re just been discussing whether in the workforce theyre looking at whether theres a problem of holding on to theres a problem of holding on to the staff that they already have, when there are Recruitment Problems. They get evidence from the treasury of how much public money is available to pay. To spend on pay. They weigh up that evidence and come independently to a view on how much ofa independently to a view on how much of a pay increase you will be given. Josie said there is 40,000 vacancies in terms of nurses. So in order to try and correct that, and its a slow process, you cantjust employ 40,000 people for tomorrow, how much would pay have to go up in order to attract new people into nursing, or does it not work reich that . No, no. It does work like that but you are not going to get a straight a nswer are not going to get a straight answer from are not going to get a straight answerfrom me, are not going to get a straight answer from me, not are not going to get a straight answerfrom me, not because i want to avoid it, but because thats the job of the pay review bold write to look at that evidence and Making Thatjudgment Look at that evidence and making that judgment about what level of pay is needed to address a Recruitment Problem if indeed there is one. Ok. Thank you very much. Ive got a couple more comments. Bear with me. 0k. Ive got a couple more comments. Bearwith me. 0k. A ive got a couple more comments. Bear with me. 0k. A lot of people maria are asking, how come mps arent Public Sector workers and havent been subject to the pay cap . Im not sure why that is, i would be very supportive if they were, i didnt take the pay rise when i first got elected, i gave it to local charities because i felt having just come from the nhs with a pay freeze for the five years that was there, i didnt feel it was right that i should take it when former colleagues didnt get one. Im not sure why that is, because i think i personally feel that mps should be reflecting every other Public Sector worker and if they are not getting a pay rise i would be very happy. That is a personal view rather than a Party Political one. God forbid. This texter says we cant provide basic care for people who need it in hospitals and we are told nurses cannot be paid a live wage yet. Taxpayers more to fund the royals and their lifestyle, can we still afford them. Mike says, its time to look after our own, foreign aid needs to be slashed until we have our own problems sorted. Public Sector Workers are the people the country turn to in times of disaster and danger, nhs staff fire Service Prison officers, police all Protecting Care for the public, its time to pay them back for their commitment and bravery. Thank you very much. This programme has learnt that girls as young as nine are seeking surgery on their vagina because they are distressed by its appearance. Doctors say theyre seeing more and more young teenagers who are very distressed with how this part of their body looks even though their body is healthy and they have no medical need for surgery. Labiaplasty is an operation which is not recommended for those under the age of 18 because the body has not finished developing. Some medical experts are comparing the unnecessary operation on young girls to female genital mutilation. 0ur Reporterjean Mackenzie bought you our exclusive report earlier in the programme; heres a short extract. In our visual, Virtual World, there is an increasing pressure on teenagers to look the part. But how far will girls now go . Ive come to meet one of the countrys leading Adolescent Gynaecologists, whos concerned about the number of young girls wanting cosmetic surgery on the genitals. Girls will sometimes come out with comments like, well, ijust hate it. Ijust want it removed, i want it treated. Typically they will be 14, 15, 16, but i have seen girls who are younger. The youngest girl i have seen as a girl of nine. The surgery is called labiaplasty, it is where the lips of the vagina are shortened and reshaped. It can be done for cosmetic reasons or if they are causing a woman pain. Paquita has been a gp for 30 years and has only recently started seeing patients with these concerns. I remember the Girl Pointing at her genitalia, and her nose sort of wrinkling in disgust. And saying, whats this . There seems to be this very narrow spectrum of what is acceptable. That the inner lips, if you like, should be invisible. A bit like a barbie doll, you dont see anything. The nhs says it wont carry out this surgery for cosmetic reasons and that it shouldnt be performed on girls under 18. But last year more than 150 girls and the age of 15 had labiaplasty on the nhs. I find it very hard to believe that there were 156 girls under the age of 15 who had a medical abnormality with the labia that meant they needed to have surgery. I think that is extraordinary. And as a paediatric and adolescent gynaecologist i have never seen a girl under the age of 15 who has needed to have an operation on her labia. There is a lot of pressure, especially on social media, its all pictures of working out looking a certain way. And you look at yourself and think, oh, i dont look like that at all do you ever worry about the appearance of that part of your body . There was one thing on snapchat a few weeks ago. It was like there are four different types of vaginas and it was likes, what if we dont fit into that. People dont know what they look like, they are not being taught so they go online and see artificial pictures and then they think, oh, my god, maybe im not quite normal. Teaching young girls what they bodies look like is crucial. But naomi says some of the responsibility must lie with the professionals. I dont think it should be performed, certainly on the girls under 18. Over 18 it should be seen for what it is, which isa should be seen for what it is, which is a cosmetic procedure which people may choose to buy. Nhs england says it carries out this type of surgery for complex clinical conditions, but not for cosmetic reasons. It adds that Clinical Commissioning Groups would have their own policies about surgery for cosmetic reasons that may include this procedure. Here now to discuss this is dr gail busby, the lead pediatric and adolescent gynaecologist, at royal manchester childrens hospital. Drjanice rymer is Vice President of the Royal College of obstetricians and gynaecologists and professor Heather Willows is a professor of medical ethics and is researching a book looking at how young peoples perceptions of themselves are changing. A professor where . Birmingham. Welcome all of you. This figure of 200 labia Plasty On Girls under 18 performed by the nhs in 2015 16 and yet the nhs says we dont do this for cosmetic reasons. Does that make sense to you, the two statements . No. I have to say that i have left the service. I started the service in manchester for paediatrics and gynaecology in 2009 so ive seen many girls come to me aged as young as ten through to 18 and of those girls, only one girl has ever had a medical condition which has ma Nifested Medical Condition which has manifested in large labia. So are you saying it does not sound plausible. Its highly unlikely these girls all have medical conditions which have manifested in large labia. How do you respond to the film . Girls are coming along for this perceived perception that they are abnormal when they are in fact normal. Particularly in adolescents. Is this female genital mutilation . particularly in adolescents. Is this female genital mutilation . I think youve got to be very careful in confusing it with fgm because if fgm is done without consent and labiaplasty is done with consent, that can be interpreted as fgm. Its important to remember, fgm is without consent, labiaplasty is with consent. I think we are all com pletely consent. I think we are all completely against labiaplasty, particularly in girls under 18. The statistics and the documentary we saw are shocking and concerning. Professor widows, in terms of your research about young peoples perceptions of themselves, what is going on in britain in 2017 if girls, presumably with a mum or dad, are being taken to gynaecologists to say, something needs to be done because i dont like the way my labia looks . You heard about nit the film, girls feel they have to be normal and their idea of normal is distorted. Where are they getting that idea from . Its the idea of a perfect body, so over half girls aged 14 18 feel they have to be perfect. By perfect you mean a thin, firm body, going from breasts and also think that about their labia too. Increasingly they live online ina too. Increasingly they live online in a visual and virtual culture. They identify with the looking self. Despite that, you see girls with a mum or dad . I do. What kind of conversation do you have, non judgmental, i assume, conversation do you have, non judgmental, iassume, but conversation do you have, non judgmental, i assume, but you have to say, what the heck are you doing here . Well, its a long consultation and i think education is the basis of the consultation. The bottom line is that an adolescent body is different from an Aduu Adolescent Body is different from an adult body and that goes in line with breasts, have you videos or vaginas. Vulvas and vaginas. The Labia Minora Grow and its different in childhood as it is to adulthood. This is normalfor14, 15, that is the message i get through. The outer lips then develop and in adulthood they have a more balanced appearance and the minora dont look as prominent, that is the small lips. Its about education, that actually you are normal. Woe dont want to turn a normal structure into abnormal by operating on it too early because then it goes on to grow and develop and then you can get puckering, pain, the long term outcomes. I tell them, get puckering, pain, the long term outcomes. Itell them, i dont get puckering, pain, the long term outcomes. I tell them, i dont want you to be unhappy in adulthood. Do you to be unhappy in adulthood. Do you think this procedure should be banned on under 18s full stop . Absolutely. Do you . Its quite clear, yes, except for the odd one that dr busby was saying for perhaps significant congenital abnormalities, thats different but its very, very rare so we should be saying labiaplasty should be banned on under 18s. Saying labiaplasty should be banned on under18s. Do you agree . Yes. We should think more carefully about all of the beauty practices. 0ne should think more carefully about all of the beauty practices. One of the reasons we worry about labiaplasty is the other things like Pubic Hair Removal which is standard and changes how vaginas look, wee need to think about nit the whole, as well as the separate procedure. What is happening in labiaplasty is extreme as a broader tend trend and we need to think about the trend. Fiona says, i hope my daughters will be confident in how they look. Already one is tall and slender, the other heavier. I dread them wanting to change anything. They are healthy. Its ourselfjob to make pa rents healthy. Its ourselfjob to make parents strong, stable well adjusted adults. Parents and children need to cooperate honestly. As a parent, you shouldnt step away from responsibility. Chunky money kai on twitter, the blame is to do with pornography and son in law media. What society are we living in within a nine Year Old Girl worries about how her vagina looks and wants it changing social media. Its very, very worrying. This raising of awareness will hopefully help in terms of parents confidence in talking to their children, would you hope . Yes, i do. The other Thing Thatis Hope . Yes, i do. The other thing that is important is, the labia are sensitive, there is a nerve supply. If you reduce it, you may have a significant effect on the girls future, Sexual Function and satisfaction, we need to get that message across too. Labia are important for good Sexual Function. Im not sure how that would go down with a 13 Year Old Girl. Im not sure how that would go down with a 13yearold girl. Thats the thing, they cant conceptualise it, so thing, they cant conceptualise it, so you thing, they cant conceptualise it, so you are thing, they cant conceptualise it, so you are telling them something thatis so you are telling them something that is abstract to them. When you say to a girl and her mum, that is abstract to them. When you say to a girland her mum, i mean is it always mum who is come with the girls or the dads sometimes . Mums, yes. When you say its absolutely normal, how do they react generally . I think by the end of the consultation, there are often tears, but by the end of it, they understand. They understand the reason why ive said what ive said andl reason why ive said what ive said and i do give the example that the doctor did in the film where if someone of your age went to a Breast Surgeon to require breast surgery, you wouldnt have surgery because everyone could understand that that is not a sensible thing to do because the breasts need to carry on growing. The same for the labia. When you link it on to something they understand that is more obvious, they understand it. Interestingly of all the girls ive seen, soi interestingly of all the girls ive seen, so i always say, you know, reassess things at 18 and if you are still unhappy, get another opinion. Of all the girls, only ones ever come back. That again reflects whats happened in the film, the development is complete and they realise, hang on, I Development is complete and they realise, hang on, lam normal. Hannah on twitter says i had this Op Asa Hannah on twitter says i had this op as a teen, i would have mutilated myself if i hadnt had it. So more needs to be done to promote what is healthy and what is normal. This texter says, as a dad of three girls i found your piece on intimate surgery for young girls disturbing. What is also disturbing and may be contributing is the way female perfection for men has changed over the years. Natalie says, how can you compare fgm with cosmetic surgery which is by choice and not performed on children, im sure the number of girls requiring this is minute in terms of the population. It is but the whole point is the nhs says they are carried out for medical reasons and the experts here believe medical reasons are so rare that it cant amount to 200 operations in one year. John says ive been getting concern over all forms of media on the subject. After hearing about girls having operations on their private parts for looks, it is outrageous. These girls have no idea how easy it is for images to be fake, and they believe what they c. Thank you all for coming on the programme. Believe what they see. Still to come speaking out about rotherham we talk to one of the victims of the abuse ring who has never spoken publicly about her story before. She says shes been failed countless times by the police. And as andy murray takes to centre court at wimbledon, we will be hearing from former british tennis starsjo durie and david lloyd. Itsjust gone 10. 30am. With the news heres annita in the bbc newsroom good morning. The foreign secretarys added his voice to the growing calls from within the cabinet for theresa may to lift the 1 cap on pay rises for Public Sector workers. The limit is due to be in place until 2020. But a Government Source said borisjohnson strongly believed pay rises could be achieved without putting undue pressure on the public finances. Figures out today show that for the first time in nearly a decade, more nurses and midwives are leaving the profession in the uk, thanjoining it. In the year to march 2017, 20 more staff left the register run by the nursing and Midwifery Council than signed up to it with british nurses quitting in the greatest numbers. The Department Of Health says theres a National Programme to improve staff retention. The energy regulator, 0fgem, has announced plans to limit gas and electricity bills for more people on low incomes. The regulator says it will be consulting on how best to protect the most vulnerable customers from high prices, and around 2 Million People could face lower bills as a result. Theyve also announced plans to make switching Energy Suppliers easier. The unite union says Bank Of England workers are to stage a four day strike from the 31st ofjuly in a dispute over pay. The union said staff were angry they have been given a below Inflation Pay offer for the second year running with up to a third of workers will receive no pay rise at all this year. Up up to 18 people are unaccounted for and feared dead after a tour bus collided with a lorry on a moderate close to a town in bavaria in Southern Germany. It was carrying elderly passengers and two drivers when it crashed in a trafficjam. Thats a summary of the latest news join me for bbc newsroom live at 11 oclock. Heres some sport now with 0lly. Thanks. Hello again. These are our headlines this morning the gates have opened at the All England Club, its the start of wimbledon fortnight, so those who have queued for days outside will get their reward with a seat on one of the show courts. They are entering in a very orderly fashion. The defending champion andy murray has arrived these are the latest pictures, he is practicing ahead of his first round match on centre court at 1. These are the very latest pictures from this morning. He is practising this morning. All eyes on that left hip, which he has been struggling with for the last couple of weeks. The world number one, has had to pull out of a couple of Exhibition Events, facing the world number 134, Alexander Bublik. Johanna konta also place today on court 1. Its stage three of the Tour De France today. Welshman Geraint Thomas is still in the leaders Yellow Jersey despite getting caught up in this crash yesterday. Tour champion chris froome also went down but he is sixth overall as the tour heads into france from belgium. The open starts in just over two weeks and Tommy Fleetwood is hitting form atjust the right time. The englishman who came fourth at the us open last month, he won the french open yesterday. This years 0pen is at Royal Birkdale which is in his hometown of southport. Some breaking cricket news in the last couple of minutes. The south african captain Faf Du Plessis will miss the first test against england at lords which starts on thursday, because of family reasons, victoria. That is all your sport and i will be back with a lot more after 11 oclock bbc news. Thank you very much, 0lly. It is 10 37am. After years of being suppressed by local authorities, the grooming, abuse and trafficking of young mostly white girls in the town of rochdale came to the public attention in 2012. Gangs of men, predominantly of pakistani origin, preyed on vulnerable girls by initially offering them drink, drugs and gifts, before raping and prostituting them. A culture of victim blaming and some have said an eagerness not to appear racist meant police and social services were often unwilling to take the rumours of widespread exploitation seriously. Greater Manchester Police later apologised and admitted there had been a complete lack of understanding of Child Exploitation in rochdale and a failure to recognise the scale of abuse. A documentary called betrayed girls, which will be broadcast tonight on bbc one, claims police were told that sexual grooming was going on in manchester as far back as 2003. This was systematic organised sexual abuse. They werentjust picking one child out of the ether. These were groups of children that were being targeted, and it was like a production line, you know, one and then another. So what was happening to all these children now . Who was dealing with this kind of crime . Nobody. It was being buried. I was told at four oclock on a friday afternoon that the police were no longer going to use this girl. And i was. I couldnt believe it. And with me now is maggie 0liver, who you saw in that clip she is a former gmp detective constable who was key in exposing the rochdale grooming gang. Also with us, laura, who was a victim of the rochdale ring from the age of 13 until she was 17. She has never spoken publicly about her story before. As she is a victim of abuse, we are protecting her identity. And jonathan bridge, a lawyer acting on behalf of around a dozen victims of the abuse in rochdale, including laura. As you would expect with this subject matter, some of what we will discuss will be frank and also graphic. Thank you, all of you, for coming on the programme. Laura, you were barely 13 when you became a victim of the grooming ring in rochdale. Can you explain to us how it started . Basically, i come from a large family, without a mother, just a father. So it was basically, like, i got easily led into things, when people were buying things and taking me out, showing me love basically. As and when they were treating me nice, i never got that at home, so for christmas, i would get the ball and so on, but these people would be buying expensive necklaces, phones, money, so itjust got into that, and i thought they were right friends, which now obviously i know that they we re which now obviously i know that they were not. It not only went from having money and phones, it was then having money and phones, it was then having to have sex with not one, not two, but more of their friends, and thenit two, but more of their friends, and then it became like a vicious circle of the grooming. On one occasion, when you were 14, you were driven out to the moors on your own by a group of these men. What happened . got picked up then by what i thought we re got picked up then by what i thought were my friends, and when we drove up were my friends, and when we drove up onto the top of the hills, it was about have passed one in the morning, you know, pitch black. Have passed one in the morning. They we re have passed one in the morning. They were making me do sexual. To have sex with these other men, and as i refused, i said sex with these other men, and as i refused, isaid no, they sex with these other men, and as i refused, i said no, they then were arguing and fighting and i was having to fight them off like me, then they took my coat and my shoes off me and just threw me out the car, andi off me and just threw me out the car, and i was left then on my own and a passer by walked past and picked me up and took me to the police station. What do the police do . When i called the police, i got interviewed, but nothing ever happened. They just said interviewed, but nothing ever happened. Theyjust said there wasnt enough evidence gathered of what happened, and because i couldnt explain, like, i told them the car, but because there were no cameras, because it was up in the hills, the case got dropped and nothing happened. What did you think of that . I was hurt, crying, scared. I was only young, i was on my own. I didnt have. Nobody was with me. I just felt like they let me down. Why didnt they help me . Why didnt they put me in a police car, go looking for them . A few pictures that they probably had of people, saying these things have happened before, why did they not try to point them out, saying here are a few pictures, is it any of these men . Nothing ever happened. I was just disheartened that they let me down. On another occasion you were taken to a flat where there was a group of men and again they tried to make you have sex with them. You refused. They then took a metal spoon, as i understand it, and held it over a gas flame, and then put it on your skin until your skin effectively barred off. You manage to call the police for help. What happened on that occasion your skin effectively burnt off. I had a really large burn mark on my arm, but because i was drinking, they had plied me with some alcohol, the police turned up and when the deliberately turned and saw me drunk, andi deliberately turned and saw me drunk, and i was arguing with other people, screaming, crying, saying they had just burned me, looking like the mad one, and the pakistani men said, you did it to yourself, andi men said, you did it to yourself, and i was saying, no, i didnt, but i actually got arrested for being drunk and disorderly and nothing happens to them. That is astonishing, unbelievable. Happens to them. That is astonishing, unbelievablem happens to them. That is astonishing, unbelievable. It amazes me. Looking back, ithink, how did that happen . That was everyday life. It happened on so many occasions where i rang the police, give a statement, it got dropped. where i rang the police, give a statement, it got dropped. I will bring in maggie 0liver over year, former detective constable. Thank you for coming in and speaking to us. You released a scribbled note written in 2003 and passed by social services to greater Manchester Police, which was ignored, and i know that you are comfortable in reading our audience some of this. This was written by a girl called victoria. Godley, yes. Yes, send ten in 2003, as i said. She was 13. Would you mind reading a bit . would just like to see this as with the consent and knowledge. Victoria road, things i have done in the past. Things i have done in the past. Things i have done in the past. I drank, smoked weed, took pills, had blow and coke, heroin, but for what . You do them for a laugh but it can kill you. Im only 13. I have the rest of my life ahead of me. Ive slept with people older than me, half of them i dont even know their names. I must like, and thatis know their names. I must like, and that is nothing to be proud of. I ama that is nothing to be proud of. I am a slack. I did it to impress the boys. Even when i was out i was pulled up with some boy and because they were out of their faces so much, they crashed the car. The police were all over moss side, alongside, but we never got caught, and all the things lost, just the drugs and boys. My family is supposed to mean a lot to people, but at the time it didnt for me, so i lost all of that. I just but at the time it didnt for me, so i lost all of that. Ijust hope i knew. I just hope i lost all of that. Ijust hope i knew. Ijust hope i knew that at the time, but i didnt. Next time, you should think of family before drink, drugs, sex and money. Age 13. And what happened to victoria . She was given a drugs overdose. She would have been groomed in rochdale, and abused by the gangs of men. In a similar way to laura. How should the police have responded . Similar way to laura. How should the police have responded . Social services past that the police. How should they have responded to that note . I dont know what happened in relation to that investigation, that letter ca me relation to that investigation, that letter came to me as part of 0peration augusta, and greater Manchester Police asked us to look at whether we had a problem with grooming back in 2003 and 2004. I was part of that team and i wrote a report. I knew that we had a problem. The most Senior Officers in gmp knew we had a problem and yet they allowed that operation to die, to be buried, and it was never open again until the end of 2010 when there was a couple of reasons, but one of which was the fathauer foetus in the gmp property system and the reopened the case one of which was the fact that they found a foetus. The reopened it and wanted a quick hit. I know they say things have changed but youre listening to laura today. I believe there is an arrogance amongst senior Police Officers that they believe they can treat children from difficult backgrounds in this way. Still . Guest, still, because i talked to children in rochdale and if you speak to laura about what happened yes, still. Laura was a witness for a child in another trial. This brea ks for a child in another trial. This breaks my heart, because i was a police officer, you know. This is not how it should happen. She bit weeks and months of her life on the line to assist us, and was promised that they would go back and interview her about what happened to her. That never happened. Her house was vandalised because she was a witness at court. There was graffiti. Seven years putting that little house together, every fibre of her being, to make a home for her children. I mean, maybe she should tell you what happened, rather than me. After everything happened from the court, my house got targeted. Ive got two kids. Because you were a witness . Yes and i was there when it happened and went to all the trials and stuff. Then theyjust told me to get a bag of mine and my daughters stuff and to just run out the back door and get away. It got that bad, i had to then go to Manchester Council and ask them can they rehouse me and they stuck me in the middle of rusholme, the curry mile in manchester in a small hotel, it was as who tell, not even a hotel, but a bed and a sink, no toilet. If anyone knows rusholme, the curry mile, its full of pakistani men, its like a big community, thats where they all go. In the end, it ended up becoming homeless with my children and now ive been rehoused recently, so, you know, it got to the point where i was a witness and when i kept going back, trying to ring the police officer, that was dealing with me, she basically didnt want to know. She said, youre going to have to ring 999 if they turn up, i cant do anything any more. I thought, you were going to protect me, you said if anything came to it. Why are you not helping me, im sat crying on the phone with my kids saying what is going to happen to me and my kids and she didnt want to know because she got the evidence off me, she got me in court to stand there, she was in the trial, she was in the newspaper, with happy smiles and the real victims still suffering . Yes and the People Living a hell homeless with their children. We have a statement from greater Manchester Police, its vital we learn lessons to the past and to that end we are absolutely committed to working with our partners across Greater Manchester to tackle the Sexual Exploitation of children and young people. Iwant Sexual Exploitation of children and young people. I want to bring in jonathan bridge, a lawyer acting on behalf of around a dozen victims, including laura. You are helping laura and others make civil claims for compensation for the authorities failings effectively to try to protect them, stop what was happening to them happening over and over again. How do the amounts that some of the girls will receive compare to other compensation claims for example . The damages are very, very low. Theres been a recent case involving the catholic society, a boy raped at 14 by a teach ever brought a claim in his 30s, awarded £14,000 for that rape. By a teacher. There was a case involving three mps who brought a libel claim against another mp whod alleged they knew about the rotherham abuse scandal. I think it was a ukip mep sued by the three mps and they recovered a combined total of £160,000, so that was about £52,000 each they got for being accused of knowing about a scandal and doing nothing to prevent it. So you compare that with £14,000 for historic rape and it possibly puts into context that the damages are far too low. 36 lauras detailed occasions where the police could have help and gone, hang on, this isnt right. the police could have help and gone, hang on, this isnt right. I was actually sent to prison because of them. Iwas 15 actually sent to prison because of them. I was 15 and every time actually sent to prison because of them. Iwas 15 and every time i actually sent to prison because of them. I was 15 and every time i got arrested because of what the men did, and because i was always found again drunk and on drugs, theyjust seen me as a child that had problems andl seen me as a child that had problems and i ended up going to prison for what they was doing so i was still being finished every time for what i was basically being punished for being raped, getting filled up with vodka and drugs and its like, whats happened with them now theyve got a clean record when now i try to get a College Course to do social work and they wouldnt even let me on the course because they said that i would have to work with children and Vulnerable People all because of my criminal record, i got done for racial abuse, with that i got called a white slag i responded back, you know, a racist comment and ithen again back, you know, a racist comment and i then again got arrested because it was in the seeing and hearing of the public. But what about him . As i understand it, jonathan, laura doesnt have the option to pursue a civil action against the police, is that right . This is a real problem in this country. There are two historic cases, there was initially the yorkshire ripper case where the eighth victims mum tried to claim against West Yorkshire police saying they failed in their investigation. They didnt deny they failed but the court held that no, the police dont owe a ny court held that no, the police dont owe any duty of care to people in this country so even though they allowed her daughter to die by not investigating properly, they couldnt bring a claim. Theres michaels claim which you will have seenin michaels claim which you will have seen in the news, a girl who rang 999 and said my ex boyfriend is very violent, im scared hes going to come and kill me and i think it was a welsh police force put the call through to the wrong call centre and then deprioritised the call. So within 15 minutes shed been murdered by her ex boyfriend and two Different Police forces apologised for their mistakes there. The claim was a brought, its a famous case called michaels but again the court held that the police didnt owe a duty of care. Maggie oliver, you said you wrote this report, it was shelved, put in the bottom drawer, buried, whatever word you want to use and you said i think the police we re use and you said i think the police were looking for a quick hit. I mean thatis were looking for a quick hit. I mean that is the question, you know, youve worked with good Police Officers, you were clearly one yourself . Yes. Ive interviewed many, yourself . Yes. Ive interviewed any yourself . Yes. Ive interviewed many, many good Police Officers, clearly they re a many, many good Police Officers, clearly theyre a microcosm of society, there are rotten apples who cant be bother orred whatever, but why, why would people bury your report, thats the thing that doesnt make sense . For me, this is not about police on the beat, its not about police on the beat, its not about police on the beat, its not about detectives, this is about the top of the chain. I dont even meanjust the the top of the chain. I dont even mean just the chief constables, i believe this has come from the government and i dont really see it asa government and i dont really see it as a racial. When you say its come from the government, what do you mean . I dont have evidence but if you look around, this is my opinion, you look around the country, rotherham, rochdale, 0ldham, country, rotherham, rochdale, 0ld ham, manchester, the country, rotherham, rochdale, 0ldham, manchester, the same pattern has occurred. That isnt coincidence. Is that more about society than anything else . coincidence. Is that more about society than anything else . I think its an attitude towards people of perhaps. I think there is a class attitude there. A bit like Grenfell Tower. You can put immigrant families and people from different social backgrounds in a tower block thats going to go up in flames but you wouldnt put the mps in a similar tower block next door because they have a voice, they wouldnt stand by and accept that. They would knock on doors and rattle cages. Girls like laura are kind of, they havent got a voice, theyre starting to get a voice because the public actually get it. Why do the people in those positions of influence not get it equally . Ok. I understand the point youre making. And accountability. I understand the point youre making. Whatever background youre from, they were kids, oh, my goodness, they were children. Ive given up my job, ive lost myjob. You hear laura speaking, you know, all these millions of reports they do, of all the kids that im dealing with now that i know, not one of thems ever been interviewed in relation to any of these reports, they cherry pick who theyll interview, the reports are very massaged , who theyll interview, the reports are very massaged, you know. I could ta ke are very massaged, you know. I could take you to ten children that would give you a very different set of circumstances to write a report on. So its kind of a closed shop. To get the truth out there. Its taken me five years. I wouldnt really know what different to do today. Laura, do you think that abuse and grooming and Sexual Exploitation is still happening in rochdale . grooming and Sexual Exploitation is still happening in rochdale . I still believe it. Do you see evidence of it . Do you know people, without naming names obviously . A couple of months ago, i was walking from 0ldham months ago, i was walking from 0ld ham town Centre Months ago, i was walking from 0ldham town centre through an Asian Community in the night, to the bottom to somebodys house. I was still getting cars pulling over to me asking me do i want to two for a drink and when i looked, i might have looked a built younger, but when i looked, i was like, what the hell is going on, do they not realise whats been going on, its just not bothering them, with the drama coming out, with it being all over social media and the news and everywhere and its just not phasing them. I dont actually think they understand they re doing them. I dont actually think they understand theyre doing something wrong. Let me read some comments. Audrey on e mail says this young girls being groomed for sex is sickening, it needs stamping out. Well done to your guest, i do hope your life has turned around for you. The woman on twitter, the stories are heartbreaking, lessons learnt must never be forgotten. Thank you all very much for coming on the programme. I really appreciate it. Thank you, laura. Thank you maggie and jonathan, thank you very much. 0n the programme tomorrow, an entire view with the father of eight year old saffy roussos, the youngest member killed in the Manchester Bombing attack. Thanks for your company today. Bye. Good morning. We started off on a cloudy note but things are improving in many parts of the uk. We have sunny spells as captured by some weather watchers already. This was in dorset a short time ago. We have got a few showers moving south and east ward through the afternoon, but theyre very hit and miss. For most, it will stay dry with the sunny spells. Sunny spells also for scotland. In Northern Ireland, things cloud up a touch this afternoon. Maximum temperatures 1824. The afternoon. Maximum temperatures 18 24. The cloud in Northern Ireland will be preceded by some rain which will be preceded by some rain which will move into southern scotland, northern england, a bit of patchy rain and drizzle for wales into the early hours of Tuesday Morning as well. Temperatures 12 14. If this zonein well. Temperatures 12 14. If this zone in Northern Areas is staying wet. To the north of that, some sunshine. Sunny spells breaking out in wales and south east parts of england. Temperatures up to 25. Bye. This is bbc news and these are the top stories developing at 11. The foreign secreatry borisjohnson is the latest senior tory calling for an end to his governments1 pay cap on Public Sector workers. For the first time in nearly a decade, more nurses and midwives are leaving the work in the uk than joining it. A price cap on energy bills could be extended to many more households on low incomes under plans being considered by the regulator 0fgem. 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