But the situation for 15 years, excuses for 15 years, but the situation right for15 years, excuses for 15 years, but the situation right now for 15 years, excuses for 15 years, but the situation right now is but the situation right now is untenable but the situation right now is untenable. Doctors but the situation right now is untenable. Doctors are but the situation right now is. Untenable. Doctors are running £13trs untenable. Doctors are running £1565 per untenable. Doctors are running £13. 65 per hour, untenable. Doctors are running £13. 65 per hour, they untenable. Doctors are running £13. 65 per hour, they are untenable. Doctors are running l £13. 65 per hour, they are leaving £i3. 65 per hour, they are leaving wates £i3. 65 per hour, they are leaving wales irr £13. 65 per hour, they are leaving wales in droves, £13. 65 per hour, they are leaving wales in droves, some £13. 65 per hour, they are leaving wales in droves, some are £13. 65 per hour, they are leaving i wales in droves, some are choosing not to wales in droves, some are choosing not to start wales in droves, some are choosing not to start their careers here not to start their careers here because not to start their careers here because of not to start their careers here because of the not to start their careers here because of the greatest. Not to start their careers here because of the greatest. Jeremy miles. We clapped because of the greatest. Jeremy miles. We clapped doctors because of the greatest. Jeremy miles. We clapped doctors and i because of the greatest. Jeremy. Miles. We clapped doctors and nhs heroes during miles. We clapped doctors and nhs heroes during the miles. We clapped doctors and nhs heroes during the pandemic, miles. We clapped doctors and nhs heroes during the pandemic, and i miles. We clapped doctors and nhs| heroes during the pandemic, and we now need to work with doctors in relation to what they are asking of us, and it is perfectly reasonable for people to want to be fairly paid for people to want to be fairly paid for what they do. There are real limitations to the budget we have is a government, but i think it is important to be in that dialogue, and i know that when we had strikes in schools last year, from my experience as Education Minister you have to go in being straightforward about the situation but also to listen, and that listening is how you find a solution. We managed to resolve strikes in wales after two days rather than seven days lost in england, but your broader point about the nhs absolutely, the nhs requires more funding. All of our Public Services in wales and across the uk need more funding, but we also need to support the nhs to adapt to the pressures it is facing today and in the future, so one of my pledges is to establish a new Orthopaedic Centres, one of the longest Waiting Lists we have, people are waiting in pain for too long, and we can do some thing about it. �. , , long, and we can do some thing about it. �. , , long, and we can do some thing about it. But on pay, 5 is on the table. Would you it. But on pay, 5 is on the table. Would you put it. But on pay, 5 is on the table. Would you put that it. But on pay, 5 is on the table. Would you put that up . It. But on pay, 5 is on the table. Would you put that up . The it. But on pay, 5 is on the table. | would you put that up . The reality is we have very would you put that up . The reality is we have very real would you put that up . The reality is we have very real constraint would you put that up . The reality is we have very real constraint on | is we have very real constraint on the budget, and i didnt negotiate live on tv with teachers and you wouldnt expect us to do that with doctors, but the important thing is to go into those discussions with a clear sense of what is achievable, to be honest and open with you about that but to listen and try and find that but to listen and try and find that resolution. fik. That but to listen and try and find that resolution. That resolution. 0k. Vaughan gethina , that resolution. 0k. Vaughan gething, would that resolution. 0k. Vaughan gething, would you that resolution. 0k. Vaughan gething, would you give that resolution. 0k. Vaughan l gething, would you give more . That resolution. 0k. Vaughan. Gething, would you give more . I think the starting point is that we recognise think the starting point is that we recognise that staff across our health recognise that staff across our Health Sector do deserve more. There has been Health Sector do deserve more. There has been 14 Health Sector do deserve more. There has been 14 years of real terms pay cuts, has been 14 years of real terms pay cuts, and has been 14 years of real terms pay cuts, and i has been 14 years of real terms pay cuts, and i understand why he and his colleagues are in a position where his colleagues are in a position where they feel the elastic snapped. We had where they feel the elastic snapped. We had this last year with nurses, therapists we had this last year with nurses, therapists and others as well. Sol dont therapists and others as well. Sol dont Think Therapists and others as well. Sol dont think the position we are in now is dont think the position we are in now is where i am comfortable, and where now is where i am comfortable, and where i now is where i am comfortable, and where i want now is where i am comfortable, and where i want to be in the future. The challenge is what will happen. So i the challenge is what will happen. So i know the challenge is what will happen. So i know you have been talking, i know so i know you have been talking, i know i so i know you have been talking, i know i was so i know you have been talking, i know i was part of the committee talking know i was part of the committee talking with Health Service leaders andindeed talking with Health Service leaders and indeed the minister ellen ed morgan, and indeed the minister ellen ed morgan, but it is about how we practically morgan, but it is about how we practically get there. Before either one of practically get there. Before either one of us practically get there. Before either one of us becomes First Minister, There Witi One Of Us becomes First Minister, there will be a uk government budget, there will be a uk government budget, so we will have a better idea in budget, so we will have a better idea in early march about whether there idea in early march about whether there are idea in early march about whether there are more resources. We also need there are more resources. We also need to there are more resources. We also need to see there are more resources. We also need to see what happens in the other need to see what happens in the other strike budgets, because i want to be in other strike budgets, because i want to be in a other strike budgets, because i want to be in a position to talk about the whole to be in a position to talk about the whole service. But to be in a position to talk about the whole service. To be in a position to talk about the whole service. But if you look at what happened the whole service. But if you look at what happened in the whole service. But if you look at what happened in january, the whole service. But if you look. At what happened in january, more at what happened injanuary, more than 22,000 Outpatient Appointments were suppose, 1500 operations were postponed. Can you afford to not do a deal . Scotland is offering more, england is offering more. Why cant wales offer more . That england is offering more. Why cant wales offer more . England is offering more. Why cant wales offer more . That comes to the bud. Et. I wales offer more . That comes to the budget. I understand wales offer more . That comes to the budget. I understand why wales offer more . That comes to the budget. I understand why you wales offer more . That comes to the budget. I understand why you want i budget. I understand why you want it, and i understand the reality of what your pay is. You are not misleading people, your pay really is that much per hour. What we need to be able to do a set up, if were going to find more money in the current budget, that either means deeper meriting other nhs services, and that not a choice i think people would be comfortable with. But the town there is a new First Minister, there will be a different conversation for us to have. But it will be one that is honest and respectful, and understanding that just staying where we are probably doesnt get to where we want to be, certainly not something that me all that health minister, that is not what we want, we will sit down with you and sort this out. And what we want, we will sit down with you and sort this out. You and sort this out. And keir starmer. You and sort this out. And keir starmer. If you and sort this out. And keir starmer, if he you and sort this out. And keir starmer, if he wins you and sort this out. And keir starmer, if he wins the you and sort this out. And keir| starmer, if he wins the general election, he will open those taps, wont he . It election, he will open those taps, wont he . ,. ,. ,. , ~ wont he . It is not going to be like that, but what wont he . It is not going to be like that, but what we wont he . It is not going to be like that, but what we have wont he . It is not going to be like that, but what we have seen wont he . It is not going to be like | that, but what we have seen under the Current Uk Tory government is pay settlements being made without that consequential coming to wales, so i would certainly be making the case to an incoming Labour Government that ought to happen again. But government that ought to happen aaain. � , government that ought to happen aaain. �. , again. But pay will go up if keir starmer wins . Again. But pay will go up if keir starmer wins . Keir again. But pay will go up if keir starmer wins . Keir starmer again. But pay will go up if keir| starmer wins . Keir starmer has again. But pay will go up if keir starmer wins . Keir starmer has been clear that the starmer wins . Keir starmer has been clear that the first starmer wins . Keir starmer has been clear that the first day starmer wins . Keir starmer has been clear that the first day of starmer wins . Keir starmer has been clear that the first day of a starmer wins . Keir starmer has been clear that the first day of a labour clear that the first day of a Labour Government in westminster inherits the last day of a conservative disaster on the economy, so that is the reality. But im absolutely confident that having two Labour Governments, one in cardiff bay and one in westminster, means we have the best possible background and context to have the kind of discussions we need to be having here. ~. Discussions we need to be having here. ,. ,. , here. We have a gentleman with his hand u in here. We have a gentleman with his hand no in the here. We have a gentleman with his hand up in the front here. We have a gentleman with his hand up in the front row. Here. 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So it is down to the uk government important. So it is down to the uk government. Anybody important. So it is down to the uk government. Anybody else . Important. So it is down to the uk government. Anybody else . Yes, | important. So it is down to the uk government. Anybody else . Yes, the lady in the back. Government. Anybody else . Yes, the lady in the back lady in the back. Thank you. I am a gp in newtown. Lady in the back. Thank you. I am a gp in newtown. Will lady in the back. Thank you. I am a gp in newtown. Will the lady in the back. Thank you. I am a gp in newtown. Will the new lady in the back. Thank you. I am a gp in newtown. Will the new firstl gp in newtown. Will the new First Minister gp in newtown. Will the new First Minister listen to the public and protect minister listen to the public and protect their access to Gp Medical Services protect their access to Gp Medical Services in protect their access to Gp Medical Services in their communities . By Investing Services in their communities . By investing in services in their communities . By investing in them . I services in their communities . By investing in them . Services in their communities . By investing in them . I think we need to focus on investing in them . I think we need to focus on primary investing in them . I think we need to focus on primary care, investing in them . I think we need to focus on primary care, the to focus on primary care, the preventative part of the Health Service. People go to their gp and get the support they need that prevents Health Issues from getting worse, and so i want to make sure that the nhs is working more closely with local authorities and others who understand the communities and the effect of deprivation, housing problems, lack of access to services. Those of the things that cause health inequalities, and i have committed is First Minister to tackle that and set a government wide priority, and gps and primary care is at the absolute heart of that. � care is at the absolute heart of that. , care is at the absolute hear