That is where this came from. It was not me paraphrasing her, it was what she said. All i said, there is nothing wrong with being a moderate. You cannot be a moderate, you cannot be a progressive. To president obama, i think of your member where this country was seven years ago, 800,000 jobs being lost every month, one play fortune in dollars one which really Million Dollars in deficit. I think president obama, Vice President biden, and the difficult leadership in the house and the senate have done a fantastic job. We are in much better shape today than we were seven years ago. Although, my republican colleagues seem to have forgotten where we were seven years ago. That is the fact. But we still have a very long way to go. Senator clinton in the first debate, i was asked, am i moderate and progressive, and i said im a progressive who likes to get things done. And trade here or there does not change my record as having thought for racial justice, having fun for kids rights, having fought against the kind of inequities that feels my interest in service in the first place. Going back to my days in the childrens defense fund. It certainly did not stop me from taking on the Drug Companies and Insurance Companies before was called obamacare, it was called hillary care because we took them on. We were not successful, but we took them on and kept fighting. Every step along the way, i have stood up and fought and have the scars to prove it. So, again, i think it is important [applause] secretary clinton i understand, senator sanders is really kind of its emissions out. Charlie the next are public and debate takes place this saturday. Seven candidates will participate, including donald trump the finish second in iowa. Joining me now, for manchester, mark halperin, and john. And from washington, it jerry of the washington journal. And john cassidy of the new york magazine. Im pleased to have them here. It is the final week and going into the New Hampshire primary. What does it look like on the ground as we speak, in terms of where the conversation is, and what are the surprises that we might expect. John on the democratic side, theres a pretty broad agreement that it are sanders in the head. That is a sizable lead. I think a lot of this will have to do with what the margin is, how does framed by the press and the candidates. If senator sanders leads to with a little momentum or a lot of momentum. People look on Election Night to see how he did with various groups, if you dominate with young people, does he draw a lot of independence, etc. On their public in fact i have never covered a primary like this. There are six people fiercely contesting to leave here with some momentum. Donald trump is a head still and all of the public polling and all of the private polling. The other campaigns believe that he is wonderful to not winning this big and maybe not all. The one candidate was momentum that is clear, is marco rubio. Your pay bill like john kasich and Chris Christie, trying to stop the momentum that marco rubio took out of iowa. It certainly will. This is obviously to say the least, the most important debate of the entire campaign, because of proximity to New Hampshire, and because the six candidates, i think everybody agrees that not all six will go on here from New Hampshire to South Carolina. The next contest that their public and have, that debate will feature some choices to make, do people go after the front runner, donald trump who is leading here and on most every other state coming up, or will they go after ted cruz, the winner of iowa. Or do they most likely look for ways to contrast themselves is marco rubio, who is position to leave New Hampshire after finishing third in iowa, as not just the establishment avery, but the favorite for the nomination, depending on how he finishes here, and depending on if the old rules apply. If he comes in second in New Hampshire, that gives some huge momentum . Or third, if he finishes behind as he did in iowa, any of those three make in the clearest establishment favorite, she had been edging toward becoming over the last few weeks and months as he is moved up in the National Polls and as many members of the establishment of looked at christie, case it, and decided they do not want to bet on them. Emily what happens last charlie what happened that could affect the difficult exciting go i dont think much, and the sense that there was nothing that change the fundamental dynamics of the race in New Hampshire. I do not think there was any moments there was lot of pyrotechnics on the stage last night. It was a very fun, interesting, limiting, dramatic electric debate, having sanders and hell a clinton on stage together, oneonone for the first time in this race here in i say all of those things in the sense that i think for a democratic voter, who wanted to understand the clear distinct differences on thaty and on philosophy divide the two of them, and there are many, they were made more clear, and drawn and sharper relief and we have seen in any part of this race so far. There was half an hour at the beginning of the day were the two of them went at 101 in the way that they wish that most of them were, talking about campaign finance, and theories of change. If you are watching that is a democratic voter, you would get it. Say, theres nothing in our media environment, that would change the fundamental contours of this and suddenly made Bernie Sanders lose them into or Hillary Clinton game. He has been ahead for a long time ahead here, and i think he is still ahead. In the same way, after last night. Emily what did you think charlie what you think about last night . There is a race here. I frankly have been wondering for about a week why the Clinton Campaign has been playing this as if there is an actual concept. We are just run to determine how much she is going to lose by. What i thought about, what was really interesting last night, both of them were really speaking to their biggest vulnerabilities nationally. Hillary clinton has been campaigning here today, she campaigned with a bunch of female surrogates, she was really speaking to the issues, specifically about her role as a gender pioneer, as a breaker of glass ceilings. Bernie sanders obviously has issues with latino and black voters was talking a lot about flint, michigan. Inhink what we are seeing New Hampshire is that in the absence of a really read how contest, it is essentially being used as a way for both of these candidates, through free media to speak to the voters directly about what they perceive as their vulnerabilities and i tend to shore them up. Senator clinton another is enough. If you summoned to say, sandra eckley. Youll not find that i ever changed a few or a vote, because of any donation that i ever received. I have stood up, and i have represented my constituents to the best of my ability and i am very proud of that. It was ayou said contrast between clinton, the doer, and sanders the dreamer. Who benefits from that definition . For was up in New Hampshire the debate, in the hall, and i agree that it was electrifying and the sense of actual political theater. Changed know that it anybodys votes, either, but i do think it defines the difference in the way i try to describe this morning. The Hillary Clinton pitches, im a realist, im an achiever. I get things done. I said progressive goals and achieve them. Bernie sanders dreams about them and does not have a clue how to get there. Bernie sanders says, if you do not drink big, you do not change things. Weve been listening to the washington establishment try to chip away, and it does not work. You cannot have a clear contrast and sounds or approach than that. You get to pick, but you really do get a choice. I think that everybody has known all along that New Hampshire was territory. I think the clinton people are playing hard New Hampshire because they want to reduce the margin of victory for Bernie Sanders in that state. If they do that, i think the narrative will be, she did better than we thought there. It is onto from the country for the clintons in the south and nevada, and that is a new ballgame. Are they trying i think there try to shake the narrative that makes the loss in New Hampshire look acceptable to everybody who wants to vote for the clinton in the end. Charlie you wrote about Bernie Sanders and the new populism. What is the new populism . On theie obviously burst National Scene in the last two months, but you have to go back a bit to see where he comes from. There has been a populist movement growing in the u. S. For about a decade, really, starting off with the Antiwar Movement in 2003 and after the financial crash, the occupy wall street movement, it seemed to disappear. It cannot really disappear. Young progressives were there. Elizabeth warren took up the mantle for a while, then she decided not to run. Bernie has filled the gap that is there and run with it. He is inheriting a sort of new populism, which we also see in other countries. A rejection of establishment parties like you had in greece. Like you had in spain and the u. K. To some extent. Now we have an american version of the populism. Charlie how prominent is this new populism . That is earlier finding out now. It seems to be bigger than most people expected. I think there are two elements of it. The diner progressives, on the left wing. And they are trying to drag the Democratic Party is far less as they can. The Elizabeth Warren supporters. Then, a whole new group of people, most of them young, who were not previously involved in politics have been drawn into the Brady CampaignBrady Campaign. Mostly millennials, but not exclusively. This seemed to think about politics and a slightly different way than people of our generation. Charlie who could drop out after the New Hampshire primary . Mark based on resources and attitude and poll position, i think governor christie is probably the most honorable, although he is pushing as aggressively as anyone to improve his standing. And most of the public and private polling, he is in sixth place. I think if he does not improve, he would tell you that hell probably get out. Jeb bush is an interesting case. His chances to finish in the top two or three at this point do not look great. Though i dont relate out. He and others have suggested that he will go to South Carolina where the bush name means a lot. Super pac still is a lot of money. I think donald trump barring some huge he goes forward and cruise and rubio goes forward. That leaves john kasich, right now, looking to be someone who might surprise, the more we talk about it, the less of a surprise it is by definition. Running a is not particularly negative campaign and he has appeal to independent and spent a lot of time in the ground, he may well move up, but if he does it, he is made it pretty clear to us at a breakfast saturday, that he will think about going up. I think bush, case it, and christie are the main ones you may see have to make tough decisions after tuesday night. Charlie and donald trump. Did his nonappearance in the debate leading into the iowa caucuses, and the fact that it did not do as well as expected in diyala caucuses, do anything to slow him down in any way that might not be decipherable in the pulpit results that we have so far . John i think there is a clear sense, if youre up here right now, on the ground, there is no doubt that among all of the other republican candidates campaigns, there is a sense that donald trump and their private survey data, and if they gator they have a sense that some of the air has come out of the trampoline. The public data does not to that very much. He is still in the lead by almost all accounts. He is clearly deflating a little bit. The question is, there is a political element of this antipsychic elements of this with donald trump. It is why i think it matters a lot if he wins here or does not. I think if he finishes second or margaritas about them, you could see a lot of air command of the bubble real quick. Mark if you look at what happened in iowa, the Court Donald Trump vote did not diminish, it just did not grow. The late breakers all moved summerhouse to ted cruz or group you. If you look at New Hampshire, i do not think the ted core vote is going into her. A lot of people decide late. Half of the voters last him around said they decided in the last week. Are the late breakers all going to move someplace else other than donald trump, if that is what happens . He can win, but no one impressively, that is entirely possible. Charlie is he campaigning differently and i in New Hampshire than he did in iowa . First of all, he is not been in a state consistently since the iowa caucuses. He is left and went to arkansas and back to new york. Today, he had to cancel an event because he got snowed out. He canceled a town hall meeting. Hes also been doing much more ,raditional New Hampshire smallscale, sort of smallscale for donald trump retail offense here, both like visiting the Manchester Police headquarters yesterday, town Hall Meetings with a couple hundred people rather than multiple thousands. I think responding to some criticisms that he has heard that all he does is hold big rallies here, that is out of step with the state. He is doing things different way. Back to the maker rallies to close this thing out. A littlearly, defensive and is responding to a sense that everything he did in iowa did not quite work. Charlie i totally agree with john. It is a trap. He got to where he was by being an undiluted commodity. He was going to be as brash as anybody. He was going to say to hell with the way the system works. He tried it when he skipped the fox debate. I think a lot of people and i love you that as contempt for iowa and having him to conventional politicians stuff is treated them down to size. I think in the long run he is contributing to his own deflation. By changing his role book. I think eventually, youre going to see him revert to the same old donald trump because that is the thing that got him here. Charlie what is the success of marco rubio at this point . What happened in iowa that might affect his own momentum in New Hampshire. What is he doing . Where the issues propelling him forward . In my view, i think he is succeeded by not being donald trump. And he is succeeding by not by being phenomenally. They say marco rubio is to robotic or mechanical. He does not mrs. Marks. Every debate is a good debate for him. Not a great debate. He has a message that crops cuts across several different lanes. He is singular right now in this field. Charlie where can he win a primary . Great question. We dont answer to that question yet. I think under the right circumstances it is possible you could win here or South Carolina, michigan, ohio. Florida. At he can get other establishment candidates out of this race, it sets up pretty nicely for him. Particularly if it is a threeway between him donald trump and ted cruz. He is being himself. Hes been likable, relatable, being about the future, not engaging in attacks, but is pushing back when he is attacked. Iowa, he is is on very good at surfing the way. He is very good at having success begets success. Hes good at crating the perception of momentum. And taking the actual momentum and making it more momentum. I think that if there were other candidates in this race who were having success, it might be different. I think is poised to do what he did in iowa which is to consolidate a lot of the vote, not a plurality, surly not a majority, but a lot of the vote in his lane. Suggesting you place in several different lanes. John i would say theres a consensus among the public and campaigns appear that donald trump is falling a little bit and marco rubio is rising quite a bit and that the question that marcord is rubio could win the New Hampshire primary. The question is whether Donald Trumps decline which is small, but steady, and whether margaret is momentum keeps going upward. The debate will matter a huge amount. And the closing as for the campaigns put on over this weekend. Theres a chance that those lines will cross and that margaret will shock a lot of people ended up winning the thing on tuesday. Is, marcoer thing rubio has the most to gain from all of these other subsidiary candidates dropping out. 2 is likely to pick up, even or 4 , those numbers add up. One of the really interesting storylines that will be developing at the debate is this rivalry between jeb bush, fuse to be margarets mentor, and marco rubio. I think bush will go after be a very hard. There is been a suggestion that bush on to step aside so that margaret there can emerge as the consensus candidate to confront ted cruz. Charlie is there receptive and he is the bush camp receptive . The response to that was in the negative. Older woman vote reliably here. I think theyre up for grabs. I think that jeb bush needs attention. Donald trump gets attention wherever he wants. Margaret it gets attention. Ted cruz gets attention. You have jeb bush and john kasich and Chris Christie all struggling for attention. I think for one dailies, jeb bush got attention. Differenceat is the in their publicans in terms of Economic Policy . With the reveal is trying to distinction himself a bit i say you will expand tax credits. Donald trump trade. He says he will