He is not just unprepared, he is temperamentally unfit to hold an office that requires knowledge, stability and immense responsibility. Charlie House Speaker paul ryan pledged his support for donald trump in a column. He wrote it is a question of how to move ahead on the idea that i and my house colleagues have invested so much in through the years. Joining me now are the managing editors of bloomberg politics. I am pleased to have them back on this program. Tell me, what are the implications of this speech . Mark im not saying she won the election, but today will be looked as an important day. She show the ability to define ,rump with humor and intellect and emotion, and confidence. Better than she has in the campaign to date. It showed that she is willing to way him on assertively in a that will inspire her current followers and get her additional ones. It is not over but she did a very good job. She did a very good job of laying out the stakes of the race for commander in chief in a way that will be appealing to a lot of people in terms of how she did it in the material she used. John i think it is not just this day. This week has been an important week. Being takenn trump on on the Trump University stuff and not doing a good job on defense. Seeming on his back foot. You see her coming out and giving this speech, which was billed as Foreign Policy but it was an assault on trump delivered with the skill that mark described. Esau president obama take donald trump on. President obama take donald trump on. The last 24 hours, president obama was very good, taking on donald trump. Hillary clinton, very good taking on donald trump. He will surely reply in more detail than he has he is out there tweeting and saying lying hillary. Crooked hillary. The stature gap seemed large today. This argument on commander in chief is maybe the strongest argument she has. It is the basic question people who are movable have. Is donald trump fit to be, up to being president ial . Charlie this is beginning to be a referendum on him, if it continues. Mark our colleague on fox news said something smart. She said trump is going from a company that has been private going public. If you look at the question of is he fit to be commander and chief and the Trump University stuff, these are not issues that would, and have the same relevance if he were a private citizen. Now he is trying to be president trump. On context, these attacks the business record, on whether , it requireshe job a more public response that he is giving. He succeeded being untraditional. There are certain things the Clinton Campaign is betting a majority of americans want done in a traditional manner. If you are sued you have to respond and a traditional manner. If you are commander in chief you have to behave in a traditional manner. The country will look at the portrait and make a referendum on him. Emily it shows you mark it just shows you he was not really called on to behave as a republican candidate. Revealed 36 hours has in a stark way how weak his opposition was when he was running for the nomination. No republican attacked him in this phil roe go from a position none of those other campaigns you there had or deployed an effective way on the questions that have been raised by Trump University in the way she haston campaign, had many problems and still has problems but that is a , large wellmanaged operation armed with a lot of money in research. None of his opponents were like that. He is in a different world, not just a different electorate, but up a up against a different opponent. Mark it was reminiscent the way bill clinton or barack obama would go after donald trump. It was authoritative, a light touch, a lot of humor, companionship with the audience. Companionshipl with the obvious. We agree this is not something that should be allowed. Charlie and there is no coherence and what he did or said. She faces the california primary. Will it have an impact . Bernie sanders mark Bernie Sanders have the license to fight. She would like to spend the rest of june and most of july consolidating the party. If Bernie Sanders wins and decides to go on, what does his day look like . Afteres he spend his time he gets rest . Whatever he does, he is not going to draw as much attention. It does mean that philadelphia is a fight rather than about unification. Charlie what is the likelihood he could win . John pretty good. Now that showsht him ahead. There has been polling in the field that has her up. It is all within the margin of error. Both campaigns would acknowledge it is a total tossup. He gainedf them ground over a couple of weeks. Things have leveled to the point they are going to fight this out and whoever wins will win by a narrow margin. Charlie at this moment it is up for grabs. John 100 . Mark she will have the most elegant spreadsheet will have won the popular vote. She will have one the most states. But the symbolism of his beating her in california will cause him despite pressure to get out. She will give them 48 hours, she will say we have to come together, i dont rule out that he just gives up. It doesnt feel that way. What can donald trump do if in fact what she did today has the impact you are suggesting . Mark there are a lot of structural problems. The donors, the bundlers. He is and yet the super pac situation is not sorted out. Trumpis the official super pac . Is there a dissension within the states . Then i think he needs to say what he is going to be on offense on. Right now it involves a personal insult, criticizing Hillary Clintons style. She is on offense on some things. What is c going to drive every day in a consistent way . What is he going to drive every day in a consistent way . Certain things are just true. He needs a daily discipline message that arent positive and negative. Charlie thank you. Back in a moment. Stay with us. With thewe continue ongoing battle for full luge up. Despite advances in the surrounding countryside, iraqi forces have encountered resistance. It is backed by airstrikes. Isis fighters have control of the city for two years. It occupies an important place. In 2004ffort to clear is considered the bloodiest battle of the iraq war. Joining me now is david petraeus. In 2003 and commanded Coalition Forces from 20072008. Kkry he is chairman of the global institute. Mr. Petraeus great to be back with you. Put it in context in the battle of isis. Mr. Petraeus it has always been quite symbolic. It was the first city that fell that fell to iraq forces. A lot of isis people came from al qaeda and iraq. And it is in the heart of the sunni province of an bar, one of the few centers controlled by the Islamic State. This is a big deal. It is a short drive from western baghdad. So, very important battle. What you have is a combination of all of the different elements of iraq. You have iraq he army elements. You have Iraqi SpecialOperations Forces, special Operations Forces, police. A sunni arabit is city. We have some sunni tribal fighters as well. It is cut off. By the way you have perhaps as many as 45,000 iraqi civilians still in the city. In some cases being used as shields. This is already taking on barbaric aspects if you will. The use of civilian shields, civilians what is remarkable so far i think is the resilience of the Islamic State fighters. Charlie 20,000 plus. Mr. Petraeus they have to know there is no way out. Charlie in terms of iraqi soldiers. Mr. Petraeus tens of thousands. Continued,y have continuing to fight for a number of reasons. One is just very harsh discipline. We shoot you if you try to surrender. They have done some of that. Extremism has motivated people to join the Islamic State in the first place doesnt ring quite a history as it did when they were in a living room in europe and volunteered to do this. Nonetheless this has continued to stay in the fight. Charlie it is important because it not only is close to back dad will be a, it psychological victory as well, how does it correct to syria . Mr. Petraeus it is largely isolated now. The iraqis have largely severed the routes that go along into they were able to clear the route that goes all the way to jordan in this vast anbar province. This is an isolated outpost of the Islamic State. It has been a place from which probably a number of car bombs that have blown up in baghdad have emanated. ,s in a lot of the villages dozens have been cleared in the new past week or two. Until you take fallujah, now that the Prime Minister of iraq has committed you are not going mosulable to do more in in terms of further shaping. Nearly 15 airstrikes at multiple targets. They are getting hammered. Airpower is a factor here. And by and large this is a u. S. Intelligence driven effort that employees predominantly u. S. But coalition and iraqi charlie you are the commanding general, responsible for these men and women in this battle. You want to take this city. What calculations into your mind as terms of how you do it and when you do it . Mr. Petraeus you dont want to destroy the city to save it. There have been some cases in the clearance where an enormous distraction has been done to some of the cities that have been liberated. Thealso dont want to kill civilians left there. They have been able they have been unable to get out. The Islamic State has prevented them from evacuating the city. They have prevented the red cross from getting supplies to them. Thee is an urgency because longer this goes on the more civilians suffer. They are not getting what ever limited water in medical resources are left in fallujah. It could be as many as 500,000. Charlie you have a conflict between the shia militia and iraq he army. Mr. Petraeus there is a potential for conflict between the militia and the sunni tribal fighters. Between the militia and some of the others. More importantly, the potential , which is fearful of these militias. They are going to bear some of the brunt of what takes place here as well. Iraniansare the present . Is he engage . Mr. Petraeus the commander of the force in iran, u. S. Designated, he has been pictured with a number of the iraqi including thes, individual designated as a terrorist, he seldom if ever set. Oot in iraq he knew we would hunt him down. It gives you the dynamics. Some of these militia leaders are members of parliament. Back in my time they were in a detention facility. This is the situation. The Prime Minister has used nd there is a imperative to clear fallujah. Different groups are leaving the parliament. They dont come back until the first of july. He has a window to show some progress and perhaps boost himself and his own abilities. Charlie when i talk to the president in hanover, germany he talked about the fact he was trying to get the support for government in baghdad from the european allies. That was one of his objectives. Has this Prime Minister, and you have suggested the politics is an important element. Mr. Petraeus it is the center of gravity. As i told you months and months ago, the Islamic State will be defeated in iraq. That is not in question. The question is whether iraqi politics can enable these games to be sustainable without waging war. Question, is america isporting because he making an effort to come to some kind of understanding with the sunni tribes . Mr. Petraeus yes. He knows what needs to be done. He has stated it. Of thepursued operations big ideas he has. The question is if he can get Political Support in a country that is majority shia and where the shia militias have quite a bit of sway in parliament as well as on the streets in other respects. Charlie are the sunni tribes engaged . Mr. Petraeus to a degree. They are to a degree in the north and other areas. Part of the problem here has been that there has been a fractious nature. Most cannot agree with the he politics to c are difficult. The president s right to seek as much support for the Prime Minister who is endeavoring to be inclusive, which is what is required to bring iraq back together. Charlie how Many American forces are there . Mr. Petraeus i dont know the exact number. As high as number is five. It depends on your accounting rules and how you count the counterterrorism forces. Charlie what are they doing . Mr. Petraeus there is a train and equip mission that is behind this, region or rating to go into these fights. There is an advise and assist component that is creeping closer to the front lines. Weve had a couple of individuals tragically killed in recent months. I think this is right. We have tried how we can do this. We are advising lowerlevel units again, which is appropriate. That is enabling us to bring our air assets to bear. Charlie what more would you be doing . Fair, the efforts in iraq and syria was under resourced and under regulated overregulated. It is much less overregulated now. There have been relaxations. I called on these before. That enablescy in approval of strikes and so forth. So that you have less planes returning with their bombs still on. Of a has been the addition special forces element that is going after the leaders of the Islamic State and making considerable gains in that regard. The addition of 250 more special Operations Forces in syria to help with that. And less publicized is the effort that is ongoing to take a the link between , the capital of the Islamic State. Charlie im glad you brought ther that up. Will there be a move against rocco . Mr. Petraeus there will be eventually. Charlie i mean now. Mr. Petraeus i dont know you will see. You will see in the coming months. You have to shape this. In the same way falluja has been this soyou keep doing that you have it isolated. There is a lot of work that needs to be done to isolate rocca and generate the forces that can ultimately hold rocca. You can clear it with the syrian kurds but you dont want to push them farther than the areas they should control. You are going to have to have sunni arab forces. There are forces that if you enable them and support them as we have begun to do much more resolutely in recent months, with more resources, i think they will rally to that flag. Theould add one of unintended consequences in syria is that because of the pressure on the Islamic State from us, from syrian forces, from russian airstrikes is that some of their forces are defecting to the al qaeda affiliate and that is going to be the focus of attention at some point. Charlie how important is it for in iraq whences they are attacked in falluja and other places as they gain ground to take and hold mr. Petraeus you have got to hold. And hold. Mr. Petraeus you have got to hold. It is a recipe for disaster. There were episodes where we would clear and handoff prematurely. It is not just about clearing. It is about having a force that can hold them. It is beyond that. It is how do you rebuild. The iraqis have to have something that we didnt do real well. What do you do when you are in charge . What will be the local governance that will administer this . Basic services that need to be restored. Imagine the damage when this is done, even with the precision weaponry we are using. They are still going to be enormous damage. Charlie you have said there are five things we should learn from the arab spring. Mr. Petraeus ungoverned spaces will beslamic world exploited by the Islamic State or other extremist groups. Second, the effects of these groups, the implications will be contained. You cant admire this problem until it goes away. In doing something about it u. S. Leadership is absolutely imperative. Alone. Nt mean we do it we get the coalitions partners. This is more of a fight. If you think it is a clash within a civilization, within the islamic world . Fighttraeus this is a within the islamic world. Charlie is it a fight between the iranians and the saudis and those who support shiites . Mr. Petraeus thats a hu another whole dimension. This is about extremists who really want to hijack in particular the sunni areas of the world. Exercisinglesson is our leadership we have to have a comprehensive approach. That doesnt mean we have to do anything in the approach but we have to do more than drone strikes and braids by counterterrorism forces. You have to have all of the other components of a Civil Military campaign. Ideally the host nation provides the combat ground forces. Reconciliation between the factions. The host nation provides reconstruction. We are going to have to provide some resources for that. Perhaps most importantly we have to acknowledge this is a generational struggle. We used to say this is a marathon, not a sprint. This is an ultramarathon. We have to do everything we can to be as costeffective and efficient, and is careful in losing our young men and women. Charlie what is possible between now and the time this president hands over the presidency to a new president in 2017 . Mr. Petraeus in an ideal mr. Petraeus in an ideal world from the perspective of the administration you whatever he taken mosul. Would like to have taken rocca by that point in time. You cannot rule it out. What we have to saee is how resilient can the Islamic State be when they take a loss after loss . In the fight to baghdad, youd have very stiff resistance for thenle, the battles and all of a sudden it just collapses. When du reach the point of collapse with Islamic State, reach the point of collapse or these guys so ferment that they will fight to the death in every single case fervent that they will fight to the death every single case . He was a thorn for iraq. At various times when i was a commander. We defeated his militia. Charlie is he playing a role again . Mr. Petraeus he is. What is interesting as he is one of those who is not as actively supported by iran. He spent a lot of time there when i was a commander. But he has a nationalist perspective rather than one that tilts towards iran. So, its paradoxical. No, everyone realizes that iran is going to have considerable influence. The iraqis accept this. They do not want to be the 51st state of iran. Moqtad