Have made no Significant Impact on their decisions. Joining me is Bloomberg News al hunt. Who better to go to for a sense we are at this moment . Have you put this old thing in context . Al context is very elusive these days, charlie. I think what you said is absolutely right. The race has tightened more than many of us thought. If it is a really close a a oneoint onepoint race, say, she, clinton has an advantage with the electoral map, which only matters if it is a close race. If trump or clinton win by three or four points, the map wont matter. The polls are all over the place. Cbs is a good poll, nbc is good, bloomberg is good. A lot of them are not good polls. I am looking at the early voting patterns. There are a couple who follow it very closely. A guy named Mike Mcdonald at the university of florida. There is a huge surge in early voting. Some states you can say with near certainty, it is almost clear who is going to win. Nevada and colorado, hillary is as close to certain as she can be. Trump is doing better in iowa and ohio. Florida, big surprise, is a tossup, which it probably will be until the wee hours of the morning on november 9. I was in your home state of North Carolina last week, charlie, and heres whats interesting when you look at early voting. Republicans are doing a little better, but the big surges among unaffiliated voters, up 45 from four years ago. Who are they . People arent sure. That, i think, really captures this election. Charlie but i read a thing in politicos playbook this morning thats suggesting theres no hidden trump vote. Whatever analysis they indicate so far does not indicate what many people thought might be there as a hidden trump vote. Al right, the socalled bradley effect in yearsrnia from many, many ago. I agree with that. There was no hidden trump vote during the primaries. If there was, you would have probably seen it then. I think a lot of people doing focus groups are not seeing that. Most people for trump are proudly for trump. I am not sure who the 45 voting early in North Carolina compared to last time, im not sure who they are. They may be young people, they may be suburban moderates, they may be people who favor her, but no one is certain. Charlie republicans seem to have come home in the last week or two. Why is that . Al hillary. Im not sure that the james comey revelation last friday really had a big impact. I dont think she lost any votes. But i think some republicans were resistant who said, i dont want four more years of this, and it brought back all their old memories. I think in a very small way, there are a number of republicans and in some industrial states like michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin who have come home. Charlie there is one thing you notice in this campaign from the beginning. When the focus is on her because of emails, her numbers seem to decline. When the focus is on him because of attacks on women, either verbally or otherwise, then he seems to go down. In other words, if it is a referendum on her, her numbers decline. If it is a referendum on him, his numbers decline. Al that is why the comey thing was so upsetting to because ofts, not not going to vote but because of the story. What has the story been for the last four days . All about hillarys emails and the fbi investigation, not about donald trump. That works to the republicans advantage. The question is, over the last four days, will he once penchantrcise a great for stepping on his own narrative . Charlie do endorsements matter . Newspapers, magazines . Al i dont think so. Hes gotten an endorsement from some little paper in joseph, missouri, and the ku klux klan newspaper which they disowned, but those are the only endorsements they have gotten. My sense is that they see that as an advantage. The establishment is all against us. Im not sure those endorsements matter at all. I am a little surprised, i thought the cumulative effect of all the republicans who endorsed clinton, i thought that would have an effect by now, but it has not. Charlie when you look at healthcare as an issue, how is that cutting . Al what trump has gotten away with is saying, im going to have a session right after the election to repeal obamacare, and probably a slight majority of americans say, yeah, im for that, until the question becomes, what is he going to replace it with . They have gotten away with that. There are not people out there saying, ok, we are going to repeal obamacare, but does that mean we will lose protection for kids up to the age of 25 or people with preexisting conditions . He has managed to avoid addressing a lot of issues. I think on balance, the Affordable Health care act is a slight plus for republicans. Charlie does the media deserve some responsibility for the fact that he has not addressed these issues . Al they do, and the worst offenses were early on. I blame cable television, some of the sunday shows. He was given privileges that no other candidate had. He could do remote interviews. Nobody else could do that. Nobody really looked at his record until he was the nominee. I think there has been good coverage. The new york times, some networks have done a good job, but the media has let him get away with more than they should have. Charlie you and i are part of the media. Why did it happen . Al because it was a great story. We are suckers for a great story. All the talk about ideological bias, that is so secondary. What the media falls prey to particularly with cable media, is and social a great story. And trump is a great story. This is a guy who says incredible things about people, he insults people with disabilities, he insults women, he insults a gold star mother, and that really kind of captured the attention of the media. I think there were voters out there who did not particularly like these insults but said, you know what hes not carefully stagemanaged the way other candidates are. Charlie he was a bigger and better performer onstage. Al yeah, and i think where the media let down is to say, ok, lets make the assumption he is going to be president , not that he is a great entertainer or great on stage, but if hes going to be president , what is he going to be like . What is he going to do . Who is he going to surround himself with . That remains a blank slate. Five days before the election. Charlie some republicans have separated themselves on that issue, because that is where they have the most concern. Someone like bob gates. Buzz scowcroft. Al two months ago scowcroft said, donald trump achieved something i thought was impossible. I said, whats that . He said, he is making me support clinton. I feel good about it because he is so dangerous. I think there are a lot of National Security types who feel that way. He has not offered any coherent National Security policy. But also, some of the people around him. There is no one who gives some great confidence. Charlie yet despite all of this, he is within, perhaps, three points in the national poll. Three points. Al he is within three points, charlie. If things break way, which they dont very often, but sometimes they do in 1980. Charlie you and others have said there is a bit more momentum and enthusiasm, and that counts for something. Al he does. The offset is whether this great clinton analytics data get out the vote effort, whether that is an offset. Newwrote about that in the and times this morning sasha eisenberg, who works for bloomberg politics, has followed this and written a book about it. He believes that if any state is 4545, she wins 4744, because of that infrastructure, technological advantage. We will see if that is the case. Charlie is it different from what obama had . Al it is similar to what obama had. She is as good as what obama had because she has hired all the obama people. And invested in that early romney, lagging behind obama. Ged behind charlie but there is some indication that trump has gone heavy on data in the last four or five months. Al they use a group that the mercers support. Again, this is not my area of expertise. Talking to people like sasha eisenberg, there is a sense that there is a huge gap. And when you get on stage, and i have been to places like pennsylvania and North Carolina, and you talk about offices, contacts, every indices we have shows that the democrats are better organized than the republicans. Thatthat offset enthusiasm you mentioned earlier . Charlie you talked about endorsements. What about surrogates . Can barack obama bring out the africanamerican vote . Can Michelle Obama bring out the africanamerican vote, which is lagging behind in comparison with president obama . Al i dont think they will get the africanamerican turnout that obama got in 2012, but i think it means in the closing days, both the president and the first lady can help with that. In North Carolina, blacks have really liked behind. Have really lagged behind. They had a big day esterday, so they are close to where they were four years ago, but not yet, and a lot of that was obama. Obama was in North Carolina yesterday. They are doing a lot of robocalls to every household. Michelle and the president are rock stars in the community, and i think they can help. I will tell you one person, if i were the Clinton Campaign they have never asked for my advice charlie and he would never if they did. Al i will do it right now. If ohio is as close as people think, there is one person i would use in the community, and that is lebron james, who is probably more revered and anyone in that community in ohio than the president and the first lady. Charlie and he stood behind his indians to the bitter end. Al boy, that was a great to see that. Charlie there is this notion of fbi director comey. Everybody has said it didnt and has not had an effect, those who have been told about it. On the other hand, it seems to confirm an impression they had in terms of their dislike of secretary clinton. The president said, i have no doubt that he had any intention to influence the election. The president later began to speak about how he made mistakes. Al i dont think jim comey man,s an honorable intended to influence the election, and i think he made a terrible mistake, and i dont think he did it for partisan reasons. The problem with that argument is that he has argued that it has been revealed in the last couple of days, only weeks earlier that the fbi would not join the intelligence agencies in saying the russians are trying to influence the american elections, because he said thats too close to election day. You cant get the bureau involved in something that has that kind of implications a month before the election. Intended or not, thats exactly what he did last friday. Charlie are we all going to be up very late on tuesday night . Al very late or very early. Look, at 7 30, ohio and North Carolina come in. If North Carolina and ohio both go for clinton, i dont think there is any way that trump can win. If they both go for trump, we will have a long night. Charlie al hunt, thank you so much as always. Charlie david adjaye is here, principal architect and founder of adjaye associates. His firm is responsible for the Moscow School of management and the sugar hill Housing Project in harlem. He was the lead architect for the National Museum of African American history in washington, the highly anticipated museum that opened to the public in september and is the final structure to be built on the national mall, completing its 200 year master plan. I am pleased to have david adjaye at this program. Welcome. A big honor for us. This was not your regular commission. David [laughs] no. Charlie tell me about the idea first expressed to you, and how you felt about it, and how it motivated you to do such a magnificent piece of work. David it was an incredible competition that the smithsonian set in 2009. It was an international competition. We were thrilled to be on the short list. We got incredible briefing documents, and we were just inspired. I was deeply inspired by the fact that this Museum Actually had a chance to be built. What we were trying to do, and my team, adjaye associates, and myself, we were trying to build a new kind of museum. The building would have an emotional meaning to the content. Not to just have excellent architecture for its own something in,put but to marry the two. Charlie so the building became a part of the content. David absolutely. Charlie and how did you make that happen . David we decided we would actually directly not just look at architectural references, but also look at the history of the Africanamerican Community, the roots in africa, the migration, the slave trade, the Settlement South of america, the migration to the urban cities, and the way in which they became very integrated into american society, and that became clues for deciding everything, from the shape of the building which is inspired by to the detail of the metalwork, which is really inspired by the Philip Simmons ironwork in North Carolina. And you go from the crypt underground, knowing the underground, and you rise up to the top as though you are looking through a tree at the landscape, where you get to the top and have a sense of the communitys contribution to american culture. Charlie having been there before the opening and participated in a cbs news broadcast, was the idea, of how long this had been planned as a museum, before we get to the architecture, how it finally took president bush in the end, bush 43, how they had to go out and still raise money, how they had to reach out to the Africanamerican Community and find things that were part of the history, and then bring them, and how it became Something Special to so many people. It became part of them to be engaged in the process of bringing all the things together. David i think its completely unprecedented. It really is a kind of peoples museum, because most museums have precious collections. When we did the competition, there were very few objects collected, so over the space of eight years, the collection blossomed. Hearing every other month or week, new things coming in, george cliftons slave ship arriving, all these incredible things. Also, hearing from ordinary families about their voting slips that their grandmother gave them, things like that which were so emotional to see. Charlie so there is a history of pain and suffering . David absolutely. Charlie and there is also a history of celebration and achievement. David exactly. I think it is really full arc. I think the reason we won the competition is because we refused to see the Africanamerican Community through only that lens. We said it is a story that is remarkable, a celebration. It goes from the arc of pain to celebration. There is a lot to be done, but also a lot has been achieved. Charlie and the challenge of being on the mall. Your neighbor is the washington monument. Which choices did you decide to make there . David it was important that this incredible site, the palace on one side, and the memorial grounds on the other. We were absolutely on the crux of those two areas, so i wanted to make a building that was both a monument and a museum, sort of looking both ways, acknowledging both issues. For instance, in the buildings geometry, i became interested in making sure that we made relationships to washingtons monument. We knew that we were going to be now photographed with that building forever. It could stand starkly against it, but i chose that we should rhyme with it. The 17 degree angle at the top of the pyramid of the building became the guiding angle. It has beenthat, how it fusessee and engages. Charlie and this is not white marble . David no, this is not a white marble building. [chuckling] that was from day one. We were clear that we wanted to add another quality to the classic architecture on the mall. After we won the competition, we did a dark building. One of the attractions was having a presence on the mall. We presented a project which had kind of a dark presence on the mall, and he felt that that resonated with finishing the spectrum of diversity in america. Charlie how did you choose that . David for me, it was to do with the classical language. If you look at beautiful classical antiquities, bronze was kind of the great metal of the classical age. I thought, could we make a material that would speak to that casting tradition, because it is also the tradition that was very buoyant and powerful in the time of slavery. Slavery, there were casters, where a good portion of the Community Came from. There was a nice synergy that can be made with the narrative, to say that this casting tradition, which also becomes the tradition that africanamericans are famous for in the south, can be connected. I felt bronze being the noble material seemed right. We cannot make it out of bronze for technical reasons, so it was aluminum with a bronze coating. Charlie what was the technical reason . Too heavy . David it was guaranteeing the structure. Very complicated things now. This was a building on the mall, we had to deliver a guarantee. Years. To stand for 50 charlie couldnt put that in aluminum. David exactly. Aluminum is something that has been tested, but bronze has not, so it was difficult to get that agreed. In the end, it became challenging technically, but also, aluminum offered environmental qualities that i became very attracted to. It was recycled, so it was sustainable, it was less onerous, and it also meant there was less pressure on the structure, it would be lighter, and in the end that was the right decision. Charlie also, the way you pronounce aluminum. David aloohmenium. Charlie that you are not an american. David its obvious in my office. [laughter] charlie what is it you have in your mind that when they see it, especially African Americans, want them to know and feel . What . David i wanted them to feel an emotional sense of inclusion. Whats interesting is people look at the form and have said so many things to me. They say it looks like a boat, a crown. Ive had these incredible narratives. Overwhelmingly, what they have all felt is an incredible sense of joy. That was important to me. When we were doing the analysis, i said this motif speaks o