Mark happy just say no day, sports fan. On the show tonight, my conversation with ice cube. But first, the biggest conversation in the president ial race today came from someone who is not in the president ial race, and now, emphatically, he will not be. He addressed rampant speculation that he might potentially be a white knight running to the rescue should the Republican Convention in cleveland be terminally deadlocked. His resounding message today, not going to happen. Mr. Ryan i want to put this to rest once and for all. I have remained neutral. My job is to ensure that there is integrity in the process, that the rules are followed by the rulebook. That means it is not my job to tell delegates what they should do. I have a message to relay today. We have to much work to do in the house to allow this speculation to swirl her to have my motivations questioned. To swirl,be clear or to have my motivations questioned. So let me be clear, if no candidate has a majority on the first ballot, i believe you should only choose from a person who has actually participated in the primary. Count me out. You want to be the nominee for our party, to be the president , you should actually run for it. I chose not to do this. Therefore, i should not be considered. Period. And of story. John end of story. Biggest start with the question. Does this truly close the door on sir paul ryan and his trusty white steed . Lot, butcloses it a not completely. Team paul ryan was very frustrated that People Like Us speculated he would be the republican white knight. I still believe that if the Republican Convention is deadlocked and none of the three running can get a majority any which way, that ryan still makes more sense. I happen to know he will be at the convention. But it makes things harder. He said as a principal it should be someone who has run in the race. I think it makes it much, much, much, much less likely that he would be turned to, but i dont because itds it, still makes logical sense to unify the party. John i still think it closes the door, not for any good reason. , if he is nominated as a white knight, the task of the white knight is to get the trump voters to come back and vote for him or her in the election. One, they will be mad to begin with. But now they will be angry and not only see this person as illegitimate, but would see him as being a total hypocrite who lied to the country and ultimately went around their back. Itset himself up now so that makes it almost impossible for him to do what he would need to do as the nominee. Mark and hes presiding over the convention and is the chairman of the party, so it would look even worse. Over. Obably its this could be a sobering reality check for republicans who dont like any of the current options. Many of them have probably already started strategizing about who else the white knight could be. Here is our most act of potential republicans. Mosaic of potential republicans. It is mostly speculative. Where does this leave republican dreamers in search of somebody to be there if the current candidates deadlock . Isn i believe the phrase grasping at straws. There are a lot of esteemed republicans on this wall. None of them are really plausible in any kind of serious way. You need, ideally, to have for officeo has run before. George Herbert Walker bush and dick cheney are not going to be the white nights. Mark you see them as the knights who say no. Its hard. Somebody like mitch daniels, maybe. The problem is, again, trump will have minimum third ballot, minimum, even if he collapses, 500 delegates, and you are going to need those 500 delegates to be happy, and the people they represent, so it has to be aligned withis trump on a lot of issues. And they are not. Many are four different policy on immigration. And on Foreign Policy and a whole variety of things. Of thesexperience, all guys have said it at a national level. Are overnow that we time, but the fact of ryans decision means a lot of republicans are going to give up dreaming about a white knight and they are going to say john kasich, ted cruz, donald trump, pick one. John now for what we are theing ryans rule, argument that when it comes to only candidates who are or were in the race should be considered. Will ryans rule prevail now . Ofk i think for a lot people it well. That will be an attitude thing. Mathematically, if its not trump on the first ballot, trump on the second ballot, cruz on the second ballot or third ballot, then the easiest way to break the deadlock is to say thats the ticket. And increasingly, and less john kasich and really move up and we will talk later about unless john kasich and really move up, and we will talk later about an important speech he , it, unless he can move up is just going to be people who are in play. The symbolism makes it very hard. Ryan wont do it. Ryan wont bless it. Very hard for anyone else to come in. Everythingee with you just said. I think the reality is either donald will get to 1237 or there cut ae a mad dash to deal. Trump could try to cut a deal with either one of those two guys. Could have enough delegates to john kasich at have enough delegates to put trump over the top, so he could cut a deal with john kasich. No one what his name, the governor of wisconsin . Scott walker left after 70 days. Jeb bush, disaster. Marco rubio, disaster. Rick perry, disaster. John and the only one who might have qualified was Chris Christie who has endorsed donald trump. Paul ryan is the chairman of the Republican Party convention in cleveland this summer. About his plans for the country no matter who the republicans nominate. Those twoyan play roles effectively . John i think he will try to, but i dont think he will very effectively play them because what we know about president ial politics is that president ial politics will blot out the sun. Mark the only way i think he can do it, and this is something paul ryan is capable of, is that he is super specific about policies. The problem is, once he is super specific, he will have to tilt left, right, or center. That will probably give the democrats a big opening. John if you wanted to be a shadow Party Running in trump, he to donald could be that. We might end up there. As a loyalserving internal opposition within the opposition. To propose going comprehensive immigration reform, entitlement reform, budget cuts . Its a problem. Mark and not politically popular. John when we come back, to roadster verged in a yellow wood. Stud and in the end it helped his campaign. Ite long he stood, and helped his campaign. More on john kasich after this. John but enough about paul ryan. Now its time to talk about president ial candidates who actually want to be president ial candidates. Today, john kasich a for one of the most important and president ial speeches of his john kasich gave one of the most important and president ial speeches of his campaign so far. He laid out his vision for the the tonend lambasted of president ial politics. Kasich when we unite as a country, america always wins. For those who are angry and afraid, i want to assure that there is another, better way to deal with this. Some who feed off the fear and anger held by some of us and their own, feed to insatiable desires for fame and attention. That could drive america down and not make us great again. The path that exploits anger, encourages resentment, turns fear into hatred, and divides people, this path solves nothing. It demeans our history. It weakens our country, and it cheapens each one of us. It has but one beneficiary, and that is to the politician who speaks of it. The other is the path america fear turnswn before, to hope because we remember to take strength from one another. Uncertainty turns to peace because we reclaim our faith in the american ideals that have carried us upward before, and americas suppose it decline becomes our finest hour because tocome together to say no those who would prey on our human weakness and instead choose leadership that serves, helping us look up, not down. Mark did governor kasich do what he set out to today . John if what he was trying to do was draw a very clear bright light in the sound between what he and many republicans see as a kind of republicanism embodied by both crews and trump, that is not embodied by reagan republicans, i think he did a good job of drawing a line and putting himself on the other side. Mark this was a good speech because he spoke from the heart and made the distinction clear. Ironically, if paul ryan had made this decision yesterday and john kasich had made his speech today, or even vice versa, but its not going to get very much coverage. The other thing is if he had given the speech after he won the ohio primary today was a good day, but he got stepped on. It. He room, people loved it wasnt his crown though. Can he keep it up . Can he keep the message going. Its a message tens of millions of people in the party are interested in. Seemedts a speech that to be weeks in coming. There were many opportune moments to give that speech. You mentioned ohio. There have been many others. This one by sheer bad luck turned out not to be a great moment, but if he sticks with it, it could be important for convention strategy. Mark he was talking about trump he ted cruz, and i think will have to do that without taking the low road. John speaking of the low road, donald trump was at it again last night. He repeated one of his new favorite talking points that the nomination process is unfair, rigged, corrupt. Wait, there is another way to describe it. Mr. Trump its effects. We thought we were having an fix. Ion, its a we thought we were having an election, and they said we will do it by delegate. They will do it by delegate. Isnt that nice. If i go to the voters of colorado, we win colorado. Its a crooked, crooked system. Let me tell you a little secret as far as our country is concerned. We have a democracy, but we have to keep our democracy, and we are going to do that. Politicallys a effective argument or just, as ted cruz puts it, whining and going to fall on deaf ears . It abouthe makes himself, like when he says the rnc is not treating me well, it can be seen as whining. If he makes it about voters, look, the system is undemocratic , collocated, and intended to reward the inside game rather than popular complicated, and intended to reward inside game rather than popular feeling. I think he could get a lot of pr mojo behind it. John part of the question for me about this, i think those who are already in the trump camp to believe the system is rigged. Thats why they want to elect trump to begin with. I think this will get them more angry and upset. I dont think it will expand his voter pool at all. 56 of the delegates. He is going to need to do better. He cant get 35 in the coming states. Mark i think he will. Votersoes he want more or to keep a static pool . More voters would help him win the nomination. From the heart and has a lot of faqs on his side. Up next, he is speaking from the heart and he has a lot of facts on his side. Wes be to the former Communications Director for Hillary Clinton and we speak to the former Communications Director for Hillary Clinton. Ahn sometimes, when you are total amateur, you have to call in a pro. Joining us now is a Senior Adviser to our boss, michael bloomberg. He is also the former Communications Director for Hillary Clintons 2000 eight campaign. And from washington, d. C. , bloombergs senior 2008 campaign. And from washington, d. C. , bloombergs senior politics reporter. Experience with this long, bitter, political cycle . People are getting tired and tensions are beginning to manifest themselves. I think at the end of the day, Hillary Clinton will be the nominee. She will not need superdelegates to become the nominee. We all know that in this process is is very difficult for the person in second place to catch up once they fall behind. Bernie sanders is going to win more states. He will collect more money. I assume he will go all the way to california. Some point, the two sides will begin to ratchet down. In 2008, there was a point at conclusionme to the that we were unlikely to overtake barack obama. I assume Something Like that will happen, but it hasnt happened yet. Margaret, since the primary results came in and sanders won big, what are some things the Sanders Campaign has done well . One is to continue to inspire his supporters with the notion that, math aside, a win is still possible. If new york could be close, perhaps california is a place the boundsing beyond of statistical probability can be kept alive. But what Hillary Clinton is doing this week is much less of the differentiation on senator sanders part. What good does it do Hillary Clintons campaign for twitter and engage in attacks and negativity toward the Sanders Campaign . What purpose does that serve . I didnt see it, so i dont know exactly what you are referring to. Mark the caustic back and forth using social media. That to a attribute general fraying of the nerves. Does that serve a purpose . It serves as an outlet for peoples frustrations. I am not sure if it serves an electoral purpose. She was trying to prove that she is tough enough to take on donald trump and to handle tough questions. So, maybe a little bit of punch ball on social media may drive that a little bit. This is a bit of a mirror of 2008 in which Hillary Clinton barack obama and Bernie Sanders is Hillary Clinton. I want to do a psychological question. Where was Barack Obamas head in 2008, and how did his aides deal with getting him to not be ly annoyed ative Hillary Clinton sticking around long after it was possible for her to win . Has neverferences she been the underdog in this race. There was a point right up until the end where she led with the popular vote and an was finally surpassed in the delegate vote. Psychologicalnt game, but its true in both cases that the aides and advisers had to keep reminding candidates to pace themselves and not act to presumptive. You dealt with hillary in 2008 in these circumstances. There came a point when you decided as a campaign not to make things worse. Talk about how you got her to the point where she accepted that . It is tough, because when you are winning as senator clinton was late in spring, early in tomer, the temptation is think on some level that this is possible. People are voting for me. Its the Charlie Sheen school of politics. Winning. In senator clintons case, she would vote to these rallies where there were in normas numbers of people showing her a great deal of affection, and it was hard to square what was happening in her bubble with the delegate math. At some point though, and they give her a lot of credit, she is a lifelong democrat. Partyderstood that the needed to come together and get a nominee who could win. 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I am wondering how anxious you think they are to get this nomination fight settled so they can play a role in helping whoever the nominee is . I think they would like it to be settled. They both marginally think it is settled. They both have made a commitment not to jump in for voters in the party to decide. , to my mind, has almost been doing this for a year now. Withis interview released mike. You see a situation where they dont want to be part of a division. They want to unify the party. You have a situation where the public polling suggests Hillary Clinton is up by a dozen points in new york. It is safe to say that shes had as good a we guess sanders. Week as sanders. The debate, something could lead him to win the primary, or is it done . Debates do change things and it is conceivable he has an amazing debate. She doesnt have a history of many terrible debates. Could the polls be wrong . You have to be concerned but all of the polling ive seen suggests she will get somewhere in the mid 50s. John do you think on the basis of what you know, knitting the Party Back Together was a challenge. It will it be harder or easier this time around . People have sanders it might as much intensity. Would say it was easier but now it feels like it may be just as complicated. It will take some work. D by is that exacerbate being questioned about it . You know that this will go on until june and it is only april. You cant take your foot off the gas just yet. At some point, you will have to ease off the gas a little bit and recognize that sanders is going to win some states. Not enough of them to be the nominee. The important thing is to have a unified party. John one of the great complexities is that she will be dealing with someone on the other side that is not what Hillary Clinton was to barack obama, a fellow democrat. Mark if you look at Bernie Sanders and get a read on where he stands, the you think he thinks he can be the nominee . Or is this about accumulating delegates and influence . It is certainly about influencin