marlene, each decision like that is so individual and personal that i understand that for whatever reason at the time they thought they couldn't tell us but oh it did hurt. >> the relationship between gene and roger ebert, again, you see it in the film. there's disdain. i remember watching on tv and -- >> you thought it was made up. >> this is a made up play. but there was real dislike there. >> in the beginning, they said about the first 6 years, five or 6 years, they didn't really talk that much and i know they didn't socialize with each other. and roger said they essentially had to go to the same elevator the same screening room and stand there and look at the numbers and they wouldn't talk discuss the time of day. >> for five or six years. >> the weather or traffic for a long time.