giuliani and the actual established levers of, you know, diplomatic representation in the embassy, which is what the ambassador does. you have an extraordinary career going back to 1986 in gdr. have you ever seen in your entire career anything like this operation that was going on in ukraine? >> never. never. but in a way it's sort of mirrors what's going on everywhere in a way this administration conducts its policy and governs, which is to divide. you know, whether it's foreign policy or the way we relate to each other as americans, for some reason they see inflaming those divisions as being in their best interests. it doesn't surprise me this is the way they expect this is the way foreign policy should be conducted as well. >> it's interesting because you