rival. mr. morse son? >> in that hypothetical, no, i don't think he should do that. >> mr. volker, ambassador volker i'm sure you would agree. >> yes. >> the same thing would be true if it were the budget holder doing the same thing unless the state police agreed to conduct an investigation on a political rival? >> yes. correct. >> in your view is it any different for a member of congress? of course not, right? would you agree that the president has the same obligation unless he gets an investigation into a political rival. mr. morse son? >> yes, sir, i would agree with that hypothetical. >> i would agree. >> we're having a debate, both sides here, how to read what's