if he goes down in terms of reputation, she will go down as with he will. >> jeff tubin said it was unthinkable that the judge would grant the motions to quaush the new york state subpoenas, the trumps lose the motions if they comply, will they face charges in new york state? >> i think they will plead the fifth as much as they can. and they may be forced to turnover documents and that could be the worse that happens. they are now in this crowd of folks who have no other direction to move in. but further along the path with donald trump. you know, if he wants -- i don't know how distinct a possibility prison is. that may be the moment when they break with him. but they are certainly not going to break with him before their liberty is at stake. >> appreciate it, thank you, more on the legacy of january